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THS posted:It's very heartening to see that unlike Allende, the government in Venezuela decided to arm regular people - it makes the stakes much higher for the right wing to try to install right wing liberalism. Colectivos shooting unarmed protesters is combating right wing liberalism? I think that's just cold blooded murder.
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Zeroisanumber posted:One thing working in our favor is that the Trump administration is pretty scatterbrained and has trouble concentrating on completing any particular policy goal. Especially as we start going into the long, long, presidential election season I like to think that there's less of a chance of him kicking off a war. Are you accusing discordia of being into bestiality of something? Or is this some new euphemism?
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Mar 31, 2019 23:43
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Well, there is also the fact that over a decade ago there was a ban on civilians owning guns, with exceptions made for the Colectivos. And given what Maduro has said on television to the Colectivos regarding stamping out protests, plus past brutality by them, it is just another in a long string of brutality towards protestors that the Venezuelan government has ordered.
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Apr 1, 2019 03:15
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thatfatkid posted:I'm curious, why is it that the supposed past actions of Maduro's supporters can be used as irrefutable proof to back-up unverified claims about them/their actions - while the same reasoning cannot be used to assess the US and Elliott Abrams intent/actions re: their involvement in the attempted coup by Guaido? Well for one, we're talking about the opposition and what has been done to it by Maduro and his supporters over the past 6-ish years. There's a mountain of news articles and eyewitnesses accounts and videos documenting this stuff, and Chuck Boone has been posting that stuff in this thread for years. Its not unverifiable.
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Apr 1, 2019 03:50
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I think thatfatkid is channeling alex jones's spirit to cast doubt on the shootings. Does anyone know an exorcist?
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Apr 1, 2019 04:34
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Well, your critical thought and analysis kinda makes it sound like you are using the same logic holocaust deniers use. Seriously your reasoning to dispute a shooting is sketchy as hell.
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Apr 1, 2019 07:45
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thatfatkid posted:I'm amazed that you can write so much about a video showing so little. Have you considered a career as a journslist for the NYT? So the fears of the protesters after all the Colectivo violence don't come into consideration?
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Apr 1, 2019 21:03
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Judakel posted:Colectivos are extremely good and should serve as a warning to people like you that you're supporting a civil war. You seriously think that pro-government militias that SHOOT UNARMED PROTESTERS ARE GOOD!
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Apr 1, 2019 21:15
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Sanctions cause Colectivos to murder unarmed protesters... That is just excusing the murder of unarmed protesters by saying 'the sanctions made him do it!'.
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Apr 1, 2019 21:31
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A Venezuelan wanting regime change in Venezuela is bad?
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Apr 1, 2019 21:45
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Glazius posted:Oh, huh. The US is considering just telling Venezuela's creditors to gently caress off. I would respect that if it came from an administration less eager to badmouth and betray literally anyone because Cheeto said so. Its still a pretty great idea for how to deal with the mountains of debt secured by Venezuela's resources.
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Apr 1, 2019 21:54
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R. Guyovich posted:yeah she's just an ordinary venezuelan. not a dishonest framing at all. So is the complaint really that a politicians daughter got a op-ed in the New york times? Is the complaint really just 'she's arguing for regime change, and anybody saying that is evil and bad and wrong'?
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Apr 2, 2019 00:33
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Judakel posted:You probably think sanctions started just a couple of years ago, too. They did in fact start a couple years ago. Unless there are some sort of spooky invisible sanctions you are talking about. Pharohman777 fucked around with this message at 08:41 on Apr 2, 2019 |
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Apr 2, 2019 08:38
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jfood posted:american voter suppression is mostly targeted towards black people, whereas in venezuela those same people are given some modicum of power through collectivos.
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Apr 5, 2019 23:05
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The constituent assembly was supposed to make a new constitution. Instead it gave itself all the powers of the national assembly and has done nothing to create a new constitution. The constituent assembly election was a massive bait-and-switch. Treating it as legitimate while wondering why a coalition of parties wasn't banned from it is hilarious.
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Apr 6, 2019 02:20
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The constituent assembly granted itself all of the national assembly's powers, even though it is supposed to only be a body to draft up a new constitution. It is not ever supposed to be a national assembly 2.0.
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Apr 6, 2019 05:46
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Judakel posted:The elections were not, in fact, rigged. Well the body in charge of carrying out elections did declare it would skip implementing several voting security measures meant to prevent fraud. Deciding to abandon anti fraud practices is a huge warning sign for a rigged election.
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Apr 6, 2019 06:00
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Wait wait wait, they were using TANKS against the native population?
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Apr 9, 2019 23:06
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Gervasius posted:Sanctions are dumb and counterproductive, no one is disagreeing about that. However, blaming sanctions on current humanitarian catastrophe is dumb as well, poo poo was bad waaaaaay before that. There is no one to blame for that but PSUV. Instead we got a government covering their ears and screaming that nothing is wrong over and over until this month.
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Apr 18, 2019 19:47
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I think he might be a 4chan troll edit: also, the protesters have been shot by the military/police, and there are live broadcasts where maduro has told Colectivos to supress protests, so by judakeals logic maduro is a despot. Pharohman777 fucked around with this message at 03:37 on Apr 21, 2019 |
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Apr 21, 2019 03:26
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Judakel posted:I think Maduro seems pretty reasonable given US aggression. Also, amazingly ironic finish there. 'Maduro is pretty reasonable given US aggression'. You really are a fascist if you are trying to whitewash him that hard. Wow.
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Apr 21, 2019 05:12
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Refusing to dispense oxygen and medical supplies unless a patient and his family votes a particular way is a horrible ethical violation, no matter any sort of 'oh it doesn't matter because the patient can just lie!'. Trying to compare it to the Democrats running on the Republicans taking healthcare away is a very, very different thing ethically.
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Apr 22, 2019 19:18
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So where did Yeowch get the idea that anyone here wanted black people lynched? Did you seriously try and extrapolate from a single incident to accuse the thread of being racist?
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Apr 23, 2019 23:11
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Even if the sanctions hurt people, maduro is still an incompetent rear end in a top hat because he covered his ears and screamed that there was no humanitarian crisis and nothing was wrong for years as a refugee crisis occurred and charities were barred from operating in Venezuela until recently.
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Apr 26, 2019 22:27
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WampaLord posted:
Yeah, the sanctions hurt people, and maduro made it so much worse with his policies and screaming that nothing was wrong and denying aid. Dunno how its goalpost shifting to acknowledge facts.
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Apr 27, 2019 01:35
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When the refugee crisis was just starting over 2 years ago, maduro and the PSUV were all saying there was nothing wrong, and refused all aid attempts. Even as malnourished and sick Venezuelans fled to neighboring countries, Maduro was saying there was no humanitarian crisis, and refused charities access to the country. Maduro made himself magnitudes worse than the sanctions just by deliberately refusing charity and aid offered as the sick and hungry fled his nation to look for food and medical treatment. Maduro made a conscious decision to allow his people to starve and suffer when offered relief by aid organizations a few years ago. He is a monster.
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Apr 27, 2019 02:14
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Lol, people thinking that we were just talking about Maduro refusing US aid. Maduro was refusing aid from everyone even as the refugee crisis revealed how broken Venezuela was. EVERYONE, explicitly, loudly, and clearly. His government helpfully repeated that every few months for several years. No aid from other South American countries, no aid from Europe, no aid from charity's, no aid from the red cross. Maduro refused them all as people fled to other countries as they grew sick and starved in Venezuela. Maduro happily and willingly kept food and healthcare from his people.
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Apr 27, 2019 07:03
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uninterrupted posted:Hmm, yes, the people cheerleading the starvation of a country to steal oil and gold reserves aren't the problem, it's me not being civil enough about it. Don't the Russians and Chinese now own some of those reserves since Venezuela defaulted on loans that had those as collateral? You seem to be perfectly fine with their theft.
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SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:Aren't you attacking someone's credibility based on their beliefs in something stupid, then using actual nazi propaganda words like the "holodomor" Please, explain how the Holodomor, a real historical famine-genocide, is nazi propaganda. 
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