Venezuela: The Empanada Summit

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Dapper_Swindler: Feb 14, 2012; Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

I hope maduro joins Chavez soon.
hopefully in a more speedy and painful matter. preferably being dragged behind a car with some of his friends.
Hopefully Lopez conviction will finally spark something.

# ¿ Sep 11, 2015 04:27

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# ¿ May 2, 2024 06:44

Dapper_Swindler: Feb 14, 2012; Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Chuck Boone posted:

Another Venezuelan airplane violated Colombia's airspace. This happened yesterday in the Venturosa and Nueva Antioquia area. The Colombian Air Force says that the airplane entered approximately 10 kilometers into Colombia.

Last night, Foreign Affairs Minister Delcy Rodriguez said that there was no evidence for the incursion on Saturday, and that Colombia was "making up" the whole thing in order to throw a wrench into any future meeting between Maduro and Santos. I don't have the link handy, but the Colombian Foreign Affairs Office said earlier today that they obviously had the radar data from the installation(s) that picked up the incursion.

I am honestly surprised about how much poo poo Columbia is willing to put up with, espcialy since their people are now being persecuted if they live in Venezuela. stupid question but is there going to be a war over all of this or does Columbia just not give a poo poo and wants to be the grown up in the situation.

# ¿ Sep 14, 2015 18:50

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Hugoon Chavez posted:

Now there's a idolization of lynching going on all over the social networks. There have been lots of lynching going on lately and many of them are recorded and posted everywhere.

Not only that but the sentiment is that lynching is actually positive. I got into a pretty heated argument with my friends the other day because they were supporting it. These are people I consider smart and good.

Everything is at a boiling point in Venezuela and lynchings are just a consequence. There's always been resentment towards the criminals that smother the regular Venezuelan every day (understandably) but now that things are at an all time low and you literally can't replace whatever is stolen because there's no money or products, regular people are starting to push against those that would take what they have left.

Not to start a debate about lynching, but I find it scary that people are advocating outright killing those who steal due to Venezuelan authorities being completely useless. Things are so bad in Venezuela we're turning into murderers, now.

Holy poo poo. How has their not been a revolution yet. I understand why their hasnt been a coup but how the gently caress havent the people risen up and dragged maduro and his shitswilling friends behind a loving bus yet. I mean Syria went to poo poo over similar circumstances.

# ¿ Apr 21, 2016 05:09

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Chuck Boone posted:

Maduro gave a speech today from Margarita island and he went on a rant about the opposition being "fascists" and how he was ready to hit them with "Christ's whip".

He also compared himself to Pope Francis, and pointed out one big difference between himself and the Pontiff:

Does he actualy believe this poo poo? I want to feel like its ted cruz like thing and he isn't actually that retarded. he just puts on show to make people underestimate him or some poo poo. or in cruz's and Maduros case, get partisan retards to think they truly believe the bullshit.

# ¿ Apr 23, 2016 07:21

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fnox posted:

On a rather pertinent note, if the referendum procedure isn't completed by next week the government would have quelled basically all legal methods for Maduro to exit the presidency, other than of course, his resignation. If the referendum takes place next year, which is why the CNE has been stalling all this time, Aristobulo Isturiz would complete the remaining 3 years of Maduro's tenure.

Can't he just say "no, chavez and Bolivar came to me in dream and he said i can't be thrown out ever, so gently caress you" Who would even stop him

# ¿ Apr 23, 2016 07:24

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Chuck Boone posted:

It's still a profoundly stupid thing to say. Also, the "intergalactic" bit is arguably the least troubling part of that whole rant.

I think he really does believe that there's an "economic war" being waged against Venezuela by essentially everyone who doesn't like him. I also think that he must be playing that angle up, while at the same downplaying his own/Chavismo's responsibility in creating the crisis.

I'm generally a really firm believer in the saying, "never attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity", but I think that above all else Maduro is an extremely corrupt leader who is being propped up by a group of even more corrupt people. This can help explain some of the more ridiculous things that he says, since I think that he's in "say anything to stay in power" mode more than a regular politician might be.

so he is like erdogan.

# ¿ Apr 23, 2016 17:22

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El Hefe posted:

The government has succeeded in sapping the energy out of people, the will to fight, that's what happens when you have to spend 12 hours on a line at a supermarket for the possibility of getting a small bag of rice.

But we won't get rid of the PSUV through legal means no matter what Ramos Allup and the other members of the MUD say, people are gonna have to take the streets and some are gonna get killed by the government forces but that's the price to pay if we don't want to turn into North Korea.

I think south america/ the US will step in if it gets North Korea level of dictatorship/poverty like. at least covertly.

# ¿ Apr 23, 2016 17:24

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fnox posted:

As far as I am aware of, USAID actually tried to help during the 2014 riots and it backfired terribly. The colectivos have been at it hardcore too so nobody wants to go out just to catch a bullet just yet.

Ultimately, what the government wants is a violent revolution that they can easily quell and use it to fuel their political campaign like what they tried so hard to do with the 2014 riots. They've got us pinned against the wall until the outside world decides to help and by that I mean...Everyone, not just the US.

I am gonna sound like a dick, But how many leftists still defend the awfulness of PSUV/chavez and maduro. I mean i know they do.(bornio jim) But is it as widespread as it was in as it was back in the bush era days? where every celebrity and hipster would sing praises about how amazing they were. Because that would make a regeme change/coup/at worst case "intervention" more difficult.

# ¿ Apr 23, 2016 20:45

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Hugoon Chavez posted:

It's a matter of lack of information and selective deafness. Most leftists I know that supported Chavez can't really do the same for Maduro because he's a terrible face to rally under. The dude is a total dumbass, whereas Chavez was a lot of things, including charismatic and manipulative, but never dumb.

Not only that but the situation is so loving dire in Venezuela that using its government to support your arguments about socialism or whatever is a terrible idea. Yeah, four hours a day of power cuts plus random cuts at any point for any amount of time sounds peachy!

I know a few on twitter who still do but mostly its people like jimmy or first world rich hipsters. either way the entire Venezuela thing is just depressing and much like every other crisis in the world right now, probably wont have a happy ending.

# ¿ Apr 23, 2016 21:38

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El Hefe posted:

The TSJ also "suspended" diplomatic immunity so expect them to start getting arrested soon!

so when are they going to go full isolationist and become the "hermit kingdom" of south america?

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# ¿ Apr 24, 2016 18:54

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Cliff Racer posted:

Cuba, Bolivia, Ecuador and Nicaragua. Basically all the countries which have governments that got cheered on by the people who used to cheer on Chavez in these threads.

arnt most of those countries in deep poo poo too. especially Nicaragua? I mean gently caress, didnt the circlejerk known as ALBA fall flat on its face.

# ¿ Apr 24, 2016 21:12

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Sinteres posted:

So this doesn't sound great.

https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/728667376275886081

And so it begins.

# ¿ May 6, 2016 22:27

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Chuck Boone posted:

The march this morning to demand that the CNE stop shuffling its feet on the recall referendum is going sideways.

The plan was for demonstrators to meet near the Bello Monte subway station and then walk over to the CNE building together. The National Guard set up roadblocks to stop this from happening, so the march isn't heading to the CNE building anymore.

The National Guard has also started using tear gas to disperse the crowd, and National Assembly deputy Freddy Guevara who is at the scene also said that they've been shutting rubber bullets at people.

Here's a picture of some tear gas at the march this morning:

This image shows a National Guard roadblock stopping protesters. I'm not sure where exactly in Caracas this is, but it seems strange to me that their planned demonstration route took them onto a highway (EDIT: I think that's the Francisco Fajardo highway, and it does look like it was the planned protest route):

Here is a video taken at the same place as pictured above:

https://twitter.com/RCamachoVzla/status/730435564122587138

And here are three pictures of the crowd as it prepared to set off from the Bello Monte subway station earlier today:

Earlier today, National Assembly President Henry Ramos Allup said that the PSUV had put up a stage and some stands in front of the CNE building where the opposition protesters were supposed to march to, and that people were handing out fireworks to the government supporters there.

Apparently, the demonstration is at Plaza Venezuela right now, which is also cordoned off by National Guard troops to prevent the protesters from moving towards the CNE building.

I guess ill be the nillist and ask, do you think maduro will go full assad/gadaffi on the protesters and just have the national guard open fire on them? to me it seems like thats going to happen eventualy.

# ¿ May 11, 2016 22:32

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William Bear posted:

That supports my point: if it takes a plane to go shopping, only the highest-ranking officials and those close to them are going to be able to do that. How long do the others stay loyal?

It would be interesting to hear more about your personal knowledge of Venezuela's leaders' shopping habits, if it would be safe for you.

probaly not. I am sure they have enough friends in china/russia that they can keep their personal financial well being. if poo poo gets bad(worse) like a revolution starts and they start gunning people down in the street. then the west or at least the US will freez alot of their assets.

# ¿ May 13, 2016 23:12

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Kthulhu5000 posted:

I agree the bunker mentality is a factor, but I think it takes a certain vainglorious, disconnected nastiness for Maduro and his crew to make the speeches and engage in the ideological theatrics they do while misery and deprivation increases, people suffer and die, and a cataclysm of crises forms that will undoubtedly touch the nations in the region that border Venezuela. You don't maintain power through ignoring the problem or acting oblivious; Maduro knows what's up, and probably knows he should act in decisive (if painful) ways, but he chooses not to. Half of it is bunker mentality, but half of it might as well be the feeling he gets from being in the thrall of power and wealth and dictating the fates of millions of people.

Paraphrasing Hugoon Chavez, even a cynical and corrupt regime can usually keep food on the shelves while enriching itself. That Maduro's regime can't seem to do that suggests two things to me; either Venezuela exists in a state of its aggregate competence and incompetence cancelling each other out to maintain a baseline (albeit a low and unstable one), or Maduro is happily allowing the nation to go against the grindstone in order to keep it weak, desperate, and unable to fight his looming (or it already de facto?) dictatorship. I admit that sounds conspiratorial, but I know that if I were in his place, I'd be looking for fire extinguishers and turning over the government's couch cushions for spare change to try and stop the damage.

I honestly dont think he is smart enough for the latter. I think he is probably one(along with the rest of his cabal) that can''t bring themselves to relize the Grand bolivarian/socialist republic failed and it failed because it was poo poo and that they were idiots who couldn't keep it running. but they double down because they know they can't turn back now and if they surrender power, they are hosed. so they go full steam ahead. while chavez was a smart enough con-man. he was stupid enough to put true believers in charge. now the true believers are in full control.

# ¿ May 13, 2016 23:42

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William Bear posted:

U.S. intelligence officials: Venezuela could be headed for collapse

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...5f9a_story.html

Those sound like lovely options.

it sounds like the best option is 1. but it seems unlikly to happen unless Maduro on the opposition. 2 might happen but my guess is Maduro surrounds himself with loyalists.

3 would have Venezuela go the way of Egypt, replacing one monster with another monster and then another monster.

also the comments like most news comments are poo poo.

# ¿ May 14, 2016 03:49

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fnox posted:

I'm really struggling to understand Jimmy's motivation, is he going for the long con, or is he legit THAT committed to defend the Venezuelan government? Like, I don't think he's a troll, particularly because he deliberately avoids arguments he's going to lose instead of continuing just to fish for reactions. But the type of fervor that goes behind going to the same thread after years and years, causing him to get repeatedly probated, just to regurgitate some radical PSUVista crap goes beyond even what I usually see from Chavistas in Venezuela. He's committed to try and show the world that we're wrong.

because he is your typical California hipster leftist. everything that isnt left leaning is either AmeraKKKa or "problematic". he reminds me of my old govemerment college teacher, who would defend every monster in the world because the US did and does awful poo poo, therefor we cant judge.

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# ¿ May 15, 2016 22:29

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Krispy Kareem posted:

Are people still able to get remittances in Venezuela from friends and family overseas? I didn't know if that pulls dollars from the government's foreign reserves or adds to them.

I dont think so. I know my spanish teacher isnt allowed to visit and misses her family.

# ¿ May 19, 2016 20:17

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Adventure Pigeon posted:

Unfortunately, I agree with that. I don't see Maduro and company leaving voluntarily in the middle of the night.

same. they have too much invested monetarily, power wise and ideologically. i doubt maduro wants to go back to being a bus driver. I honestly sadly believe they will see Caracas and the rest of the country burn before they secede or step down from power.

# ¿ May 21, 2016 21:38

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beer_war posted:

This Guardian article seems apropos:

http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...h_b-aplnews_d-3

I mean, just look at that opening paragraph:

they arnt wrong.

# ¿ May 23, 2016 18:06

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MysteriousStranger posted:

I dated a Venezuelan on a diplomatic mission recently and went to an event dedicated to the memory of Chavez. They had a slew of white kids who were obviously there straight from private college with their trust fund rattling on about the glories of Chavismo in helping to stop the empire and neoliberal politics. Which was pretty hilarious given how the country was going to poo poo right at that time. It was really kinda surreal. Because half the people from Venezuela seemed either on the verge of a perpetual mental breakdown (why that relationship failed) or were still huffing the Chavismo crack thinking the world was rigging things against them.

But nuttiest people were this upper class white Americans agitating for Chavismo to keep working and... I dunno change the USA by proxy? Leftwing tourism is really loving weird.

thats the new left to a T now. rich self hating white/sometimes minority kids from nice colleges who suck off monsters and get mad or offended at every ant hill.

Adventure Pigeon posted:

If that came from a right wing rag, it would be easy to dismiss as identity politics, but coming from the Guardian hopefully it's a wake-up call to a few people. The better world that so many of these people claim to want is impossible to achieve without clarity of vision, and that means realizing that torture, mismanagement, and corruption is the same under a right or left wing regime.

It won't ever sadly.

this poo poo goes in cycles and i am not sure if we are at the peak of this one yet.

# ¿ May 23, 2016 21:15

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GlyphGryph posted:

Did Venezuela ever have a "left wing purge" of the sort Russia experienced when the Bolsheviks took over, where they basically drove all the pragmatic/non-insane socialists out of politics in favour of those who would swear absolute loyalty to the cult of personality?

probaly and if not, one is coming.

# ¿ May 26, 2016 03:24

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William Bear posted:

More reporting by the NYTimes about Venezuela. Their impression: it's getting worse.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/28/world/americas/venezuela-economic-government-collapse.html

christ. Ill be an idiot again and ask how has their not been an uprising yet.

# ¿ May 29, 2016 06:53

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fishmech posted:

the medical care is pretty great.

Is it? I am genuinly curious, i have heard alot of people say that in the past.

# ¿ May 29, 2016 20:05

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El Hefe posted:

Maduro's gonna sue Ramos Allup for treason and usurping his functions, so now Ramos Allup is an usurper.

He also said he's gonna put his trial on national broadcast on TV.

Maduro is batshit insane at this point.

why doesn't he just declare himself dictator for life already. also how bad will this get?

# ¿ Jun 1, 2016 00:50

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Chuck Boone posted:

Here's a live stream to the OAS meeting on Venezuela happening right now. It's in Spanish, but you might be able to find an English stream if you click around on the site.

Right now, Venezuela's trying to get the meeting postponed and instead have another meeting on another issue. The Council is discussing whether or not to allow that right now.

EDIT: It looks like Mexico is trying to get the meeting on as scheduled, and so far has the support of Costa Rica, Uruguay, Argentina, Guatemala, Peru (a lot of ambassadors are referring to "15 countries", which I think all support the motion to hold the meeting as scheduled). Venezuela's got Nicaragua and Bolivia on its side so far.

EDIT 2: Dominica's coming out fighting for Venezuela. I think we'll see lots of Caribbean islands in favour of Venezuela, since they benefit so much from Petrocaribe.

I understand why nicaragua(leftist dying birds flock together) but how does ALBA have any power anymore anyway. yeah cheap oil i guess.

# ¿ Jun 1, 2016 20:14

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Chuck Boone posted:

Maduro just gave a speech to the country's young people outside of the Miraflores Palace. He said this:

And then he did this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H4T9U7Z9FI

wow, is he gonna go full cultural revolution now. I mean mao did it for the same reasons, but would he even get enough youth to act on it?

# ¿ Jun 2, 2016 00:42

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Labradoodle posted:

Half of me agrees with you because the 'official protests' that have been convened so far have been such obvious farces. On the other hand, and I hope this isn't the case, there might just be such a huge divide among the opposition that they're unwilling to act united when it comes to pressuring for the recall referendum.

I mean, I'm no fan of Capriles, but I have a hard time believing the guy is stupid enough to believe that his protests are achieving anything other than demoralizing opposition members, so what's the deal? Is he just trying to keep appearances up until the inevitable social explosion occurs?

There's no doubt in my mind that's where we're heading right now. There's no real leadership from either side and no end in sight to our current plight, so eventually protests will get violent enough to overthrow the government. Three months ago, I wouldn't have believed we'd be in our current situation. Three months more and we're going to have a lot of people starving and they won't give a gently caress about a recall referendum or CLAPS or whatever the gently caress they come up with next.

maybe he is just hoping the PSUV overplays its hand and does something irredeemable(closes polar, starts openly killing people, etc) and that starts nation wide protests and civil upheaval. my guess is they are waiting for the straw to break the camals back. but yeah your right, when people start starving in the streets and can no longer feed their children. the plebeians won't give two fucks about the PSUV bullshit high "chavist/bolivarian" ideals and will club any of those fuckers they can get their hands on.

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# ¿ Jun 10, 2016 04:32

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Chuck Boone posted:

Yeah, I totally forgot the bribe angle. This all makes a lot more sense when you consider that a factor.

In any case, it's still really short sighted and so, so disappointing.

In other news, the headquarters of El Nacional (which is probably the biggest newspaper in the country) was attacked by a colectivo armado [pro-government armed group]. The attackers were armed and tried to break into the building, but when they failed to get through the security gate they threw excrement at the building and wrote graffiti that reads: "CHAMA a rebellious people". The group identified itself as "ChaMa", which is probably a combination of "Chavez" and "Maduro". "

Here are pictures of the vandalism:

This one is because it shows what appears to be feces: Here you go.

They also left behind a pamphlet, which I've translated below:

jesus. how deluded are these sacks of poo poo. your government failed badly and people are starving and dying in the streets. its also broke and continues to hemorrhage money/business/educated people while maduro and his party wipe their asses on the constitution and burn money. I am honestly genuinely surprised their hasn't been a uprising yet.(yeah i know the military is bed with bus driver but holy poo poo) I will sound like a tone def armchair rear end in a top hat(sorry Venezuelan goons) but i am starting to think that a rebellion is the only way out. kill maduro and all the PVSU shitheads and pray a better goverment forms.

# ¿ Jun 18, 2016 00:42

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El Hefe posted:

Maduro is just spending all day on TV talking and talking, the country is falling apart and every day he's on TV for hours on end talking bullshit instead of working, it's some of the most surreal poo poo ever.

thats how it always goes. is he acting like bagdad bob or Ceaușescu? hoping he ends up like the latter.

# ¿ Jun 19, 2016 01:41

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I have a stupid question that really doesnt matter given how hosed everything is. So i remember Ch�vez banned video games after Mercenaries 2 was announced and he and his goon went around loving up game shops and arcades for spreading degenracy or some poo poo like that and handed out prisons sentences. http://kotaku.com/5488360/violent-video-games-now-getting-you-3-5-years-in-a-venezuelan-prison

I assume all that stuff is still banned?

# ¿ Jun 19, 2016 23:58

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fnox posted:

You have to remember that laws are sort of optional here. Yes, the law still exists, no it isn't enforced, and when it is, it's because the National Guard wants your copy of the latest Call of Duty. Basically nobody buys video games on physical stores because they're prohibitively expensive in bolivares and overpriced to gently caress and back, and the government is so outdated they don't know about digital distribution at all nor is it considered in that law, so the (middle-class) kids are getting their share of violent videogames, don't worry.

I was just curious. honestly I am surprised their is a middle class and i assume people just pirate stuff or buy online when if care.

# ¿ Jun 20, 2016 01:09

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Munin posted:

"The leader is not being told the truth by his subordinates. If only he knew the real extent of our plight I am sure he would extend his benevolent hand to aid us."

so its stalin/hitler/the kims/mao/etc alll over again

So is Venezuela going to become the south american north Korea?

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# ¿ Jun 21, 2016 00:31

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M. Discordia posted:

North Korea isn't a three-hour flight from Miami. Venezuela's descent into failed famine-state will be much more dramatic.

will it? I mean what happens if maduro goes full assad and it turns into a civil war. do the other south american countries get involved? and what about the US.

El Hefe posted:

La Guaira port today:

not a single ship, this is loving terrifying, anyone expecting to find some medicine might as well give up.

Jesus gently caress. isnt that like one of the central ports?

# ¿ Jun 21, 2016 03:38

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El Hefe posted:

Jesus its so loving depressing living here it makes me wanna cry, I just found out the American embassy aren't giving or renewing non-immigrant visas anymore so I can't go to my family in Miami anymore...

http://caracas.usembassy.gov/news-events/embassy-news/new-information-niv-visa-venezuela.html

yeah. my Spanish teacher(born and citizen from Venezuela) cant get her family out(one sister is trapped there still, maybe others) and she can't visit them because she of because i believe her citizenship/visa was revoked by them. It's realy depressing because she is the nicest lady ever and is a great teacher. i feel terrible for all the Venezuela goons and their families trapped there too.

MysteriousStranger posted:

It's not a functional state.

that's an understatement.

# ¿ Jun 21, 2016 17:17

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El Hefe posted:

Maduro said they can stick their dialogue up their rear end today.

did he. well i am sure he will be regreting that when the bus full of militia/rebels run over his head when they execute him.

fnox posted:

And leave us to who? The loving MUD? If there is SOME possibility of order being restored to the country it's going to come from the US. I have no idea what the agenda for PSUV is going to be after literal years of diplomatic policy following Chavez maxim: "go gently caress yourselves, you loving yankees", and brainwashing millions of civilians into thinking that the US was the enemy, but that's entirely on Maduro's hands.

who knows at this point. I am sure a few "company men" are talking to the opposition groups to see how the wind blowing and if a coup or uprising is possible.

# ¿ Jun 22, 2016 01:31

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Saladman posted:

I get the feeling that Maduro is also a puppet, but there is no one behind him pulling the strings. It's like the Wizard of Oz, but set in some dystopian nightmare.

this. he was a puppet of Chavez. a dumb useful idiot who was kept around because he was a "common man" and gave their bullshit legitimacy(see anyone can get ahead even this former bus driver) but Chavez croaked and left only the puppet in charge.

# ¿ Jun 26, 2016 02:21

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Chuck Boone posted:

El Nacional published an article today titled "Can the TSJ Dissolve the National Assembly?" where it asked a few constitutional lawyers that question, and the answer is "no".

The lawyers pointed out that there is no legal mechanisms by which the TSJ can dissolve the National Assembly. Individual National Assembly deputies may be removed from their posts if they are suspected of having committed a criminal act, but that only comes at the end of an impeachment process that involves the legislature.

The article also points out that only the President of the Republic has the power to dissolve the National Assembly, but thankfully the situation in which that power can be used is very clearly spelled out. The power to dissolve the legislature is in article 240 of the constitution, which says that the president may dissolve the National Assembly only if it has voted to censure the vice-president three times in the same presidential period.

Also, in what is a pretty rare move, People's Defender Tarek William Saab said today that the people who are thinking about getting the TSJ to dissolve the Assembly are "radicals" and "extremists", and that they do not have the support of the majority of Venezuelans.

Still, Henry Ramos Allup is still raising the alarm about something fishy going on at the TSJ. Earlier today he said that PSUV deputies and high-ranking members of the PSUV have been meeting with the TSJ's Constitutional Chamber (the top level of the court) all day.

since when will the constitution stop maduro/PSUV. they will just make some poo poo up and dissolve the legislative branch because "bolivar/chavez/a bird.

Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 22:14 on Jul 1, 2016

# ¿ Jul 1, 2016 22:06

Dapper_Swindler: Feb 14, 2012; Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

El Hefe posted:

The Health Minister came out this week to say there's no humanitarian crisis, and she says this to the face of all Venezuelans who currently can't find their medicines, these people have no shame so don't expect better from stupid foreigners like Jimmy.

Holy poo poo. I am just shocked at how lovely these people are. I can't decide which is worse. if they are all greedy opportunists who dont give a gently caress about anyone but themselves and are trying to spyphon as much money as they can or dumb idiots/fanatics who honestly believe the dumb psudo leftist horseshit they spew and honestly think everything that goes against it is a CIA plot.

# ¿ Jul 2, 2016 18:56

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# ¿ May 2, 2024 06:44

Dapper_Swindler: Feb 14, 2012; Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

wdarkk posted:

Whenever I've needed to explain Venezuela to someone, I go with "Ayn Rand antagonist socialism" as my short version.

yeah. it pretty much is the right wings strawman version of economic leftism made real.

# ¿ Jul 2, 2016 19:20

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