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AstraSage
May 13, 2013

Hugoon Chavez posted:

That said, everything he says is mercilessly mocked and meme'd on social media. It's a thing about us Venezuelans, we can make fun of everything, in any situation. We're basically a country of Goons but with better hygiene.
Well, I unfortunately have a little urge to dispute the having better hygiene part of the analogy with the worsening issues we've been facing around the last four years in most of the nation's Water supplies, Urban maintenance and Medical treatments...

But pretty much I thank the average Venezuelan population's sense of humor doing its job as a defense mechanism and their skill adapting to Black Comedy quickly for why we haven't succumbed to madness and created the bloodiest civil war in the Country's history by now.

People's patiences are reaching their limits with 6D being the strongest glue holding any composure, though, and a little topic that's becoming really scary here is that, with all the difficulties getting the ingredients for the most basic recipe, there are appearing people actually considering the possibility of not having Hallacas (if not a Christmas Dinner) for this December...

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AstraSage
May 13, 2013

I think Colombia is being sensible in not acting on the airspace bait, because if the Venezuelan government gets anything that could act as evidence of a war situation with Colombia the State of Exception will become nationwide and that's a terrible outcome.

Hugoon Chavez posted:

For gently caress's sake.

Indeed.

Let's once remember this trial is a sample of how vindicative the government can get: There's rubbing salt in the injury and then there's basically forcing a injured person to roll all over the Araya salines.

AstraSage
May 13, 2013

punk rebel ecks posted:

Be honest (current and ex) Venezuelans. How likely do you think that the PSUV will be voted out this December?

Given it's becoming common to bid farewell with a variation of "At least we're sure of who we're (not) gonna be voting for this December the Sixth!"after the customary "Current Situation" Topics are talked and how everyone groans in perfect unison when an outage happens (And I have to point out the electrical situation in Valencia has diverted a bit from Hugoon's experience: we've been having three hours or longer lasting outages every non-weekend day for the last three weeks) which usually lead to said conversations, it's quite easy to see there's not much actual support for them.

So the PSUV will most likely fall hard to their usual tactics in order to win: trying to buy the voters with food and electrodomestics, changing people's Voting Circumscriptions suddenly two states away (if not farther) from their Residence (and thus being to forced to either spend a weekend in a location they might not be familiar to vote for a candidate that might not be relevant to their daily lives or abstain), using the Abstained Vote to arrange the numbers to their favor, forbidding any review request for the Voting Centers' Voter Registry Books (Physical Lists which hold the signatures of whoever actually went to vote in the Center during the Election) so no one can prove the previous point even though the speed they have them destroyed makes it more suspicious and among other trickeries and intimidation acts during Election Day...

AstraSage
May 13, 2013

And here I was waiting for the usual 3AM stall: It's pretty much tradition in the last decade that the longer it takes the CNE to post the results, the more we know they weren't favorable to the Government...

AstraSage
May 13, 2013

Well, everybody is going all-out with the fireworks and celebratory pot-banging here in Valencia...

AstraSage
May 13, 2013

Ardennes posted:

I wonder if MUD will touch fuel prices as well.

Well, given I live in times where most people in Valencia want to drive their cars the least possible out of fear of wearing them off (Fixing them is a months-long nightmare with Spare Parts hunting, dealing with Mechanics' costs, Insurance inflations), I could see them willing to accept a rise in the fuel prices as long as the Public Transportation sectors get to keep the fuel discount for a bit longer.

As a reminder, the main reason there's opposition towards touching the fuel prices is because Bus Drivers would use it as a justification to triple the cost of fare even though fuel is among the smallest of their expenses; and that's something the low-income population can't afford an increase of in their daily budgets, specially when they currently have to travel nomadically throughout the City's markets to guarantee their families being properly fed.

AstraSage
May 13, 2013

Mans posted:

i love venezuelan names

And that name is pretty much closer to the Venezuelan equivalent of "John Smith" compared to what some can come up with.

This is a nation where composite names and misspelled foreign ones are so common it has led some idiot working on the birth certificates department to accept Yubiritzaida as a valid name (albeit a very joked one for a good reason).

Chuck Boone posted:

Freddy Guevara said on an interview with VTV shortly before the election that he found it telling that the National Assembly did not call for investigations into the case of Cilia Flores' nephews, or the allegations that the Banca Privada D'Andorra was laundering drug money for PDVSA.

It's only a matter of time before investigative committees are formed and dirty laundry starts coming to light. There's more than a handful PSUV officials (Hugo Carvajal and Diosdado Cabello to name two, both of whom won seats on Sunday) sweating buckets right now.

I've heard talk that RCTV, the beloved television station Chavez closed in (2008, I think?) might be coming back. Exciting times in Venezuela.
2007. RCTV was closed on May of 2007.

Speaking of that time period, if it's anything like when Capriles first took control of Miranda's government and started uncovering all the cases of scamming through public projects done during Diosdado's time as a governor (and that was a giant laundry list he couldn't be prosecuted against because he played a big role in a Assembly that was in his favor), I can see a lot of PSUV figures starting to say their prayers because if there were something among the first things the Assembly is gonna do, that would be to investigate where at least a quarter of what "suddenly disappeared" from the National Dollars Reserves actually went...

AstraSage
May 13, 2013

JeffersonClay posted:

Venezuela has 147 vehicles per 1000 people. I get that the 30% of households with a car might lose, but the 70% of households without one would be much better off. Does Venezuela have public mass transit? Are people worried about their bus fare going up?

Let me start by quoting something I posted a few days ago:

AstraSage posted:

Well, given I live in times where most people in Valencia want to drive their cars the least possible out of fear of wearing them off (Fixing them is a months-long nightmare with Spare Parts hunting, dealing with Mechanics' costs, Insurance inflations), I could see them willing to accept a rise in the fuel prices as long as the Public Transportation sectors get to keep the fuel discount for a bit longer.

As a reminder, the main reason there's opposition towards touching the fuel prices is because Bus Drivers would use it as a justification to triple the cost of fare even though fuel is among the smallest of their expenses; and that's something the low-income population can't afford an increase of in their daily budgets, specially when they currently have to travel nomadically throughout the City's markets to guarantee their families being properly fed.

To be honest, computer parts summed it up the best but more stuff of the the big picture still seems needed to be seen, so brace for the incoming :words: :

Thanks to the fact the Family's Only Car has been out of commission for the last three months, I have come to familiarize once again with my daily routine depending a lot much more on bus trips (For the last two years, I used to take only the bus when returning home from college no later than at 1PM for security reasons) and how much of a strain it can put in my finances as well as putting a lot of things in the perspective of those without any other means of transport, and it's not pleasing being aware the bus driving cooperatives has been eagerly looking for more than half a year for reasons to get their proposal of increasing the bus fare prices from Bs.18 (in theory, because devaluation has made bills under the Bs. 10 mark practically useless and thus people are actually expected to pay Bs. 20 and not get any change for) to Bs. 50 approved.

Considering numbers seem to be looked upon a lot for arguments, here are a few domestic-themed ones to elaborate the implications of such increase:
First, keep in mind the average person from the Southern neighborhoods has to take around six buses around the city during a day, spending Bs. 120 that day (by the Bs. 20 per bus trip cost and without the 50% Discount Seniors and Students can get when they don't pay it with a Bs. 20 marked bill and up).
If they repeat that amount of trips only on weekdays, they'll be spending around Bs. 600 a week, which in turn during a month the transport expenses accumulate into something inside the Bs. 2400 to Bs. 3000 range.
If compared to the current minimum salary of Bs. 9649 (not that I would call it minimum because there are workers that can get paid a lot less than that, such as College Professors), you can see how said monthly transport expenses can easily take a quarter (if not near a third) of that salary and why people was willing to take a lot of risks and embarrassment in order to get enough of the price-regulated products when they can.

But that's nothing compared to how much the fare increase wanted by the bus drivers would affect the spending power of the population if it were to get approved, as the resulting transport expenses taken from the example (Bs. 300 a day, Bs. 1500 a week, Bs. 6000 to Bs. 7500 a month) would end up consuming near two thirds of the minimum salary (or alternatively, the entirety of its predecessor from this year's May), and given it's known that people can travel on bus many more times than that during the month, it's simpler to point where it can be disastrous for a generally starving population.

This also makes less surprising the fact the Government spent the first few months of the year constantly advertising about how ridiculous the fuel subsidies are and how their proposed increase was needed, only to quietly put it in the backburner at some point (probably somewhere around when the Esequibo debacle started this year) and pretend the ads never happened.

Polidoro posted:

Hell, we (Uruguay) have one and we don't even have oil.

What could a new government do about the money Chavez and Maduro have squandered to buy support in the rest of South America? The only guy I've heard mention it was Capriles. There's lots of people nervous around here about not being able to sell you "books" at $1K a pop anymore, though.

Can you please elaborate on what do you mean by "books"?
Usually when we in Venezuela heard anything about importing from Uruguay, it was about food like Cheese, Soy-based Products or something like that.

AstraSage
May 13, 2013

Chuck Boone posted:

As was pointed out earlier in the thread, the MUD published an outline of some of the measures it wanted to take in the National Assembly this year. The outline can be found here in Spanish.

I've just finished translating it into English, and you can read it here. I've done my best, but some of the sections are a little bit rougher than others because some of the language got fairly complicated, as you can imagine.

Your translation is decent even though it'll still need a bit of Editorial TLC here and there.

"Pechar" is a valid (albeit extravagant) verb in the sense of "[subject] being responsible for [object]", but I can't issue a correction to the sentence that contains it because I'm not versed enough in Economy to understand the effects of companies' capital increase in market prices, as the sources I found about the topic rather told me more about the strain it can put on older shareholders.

Where I can issue a correction, though, is to the paragraph preceding the Tenancy Encouragement Law:

quote:

[...]

Moreover, it is very important to review legislation regarding home leases, which has attempted professed to protect tenants so much who are unable to find there's no longer enough offers of homes for rent, which affects affecting young families who cannot afford to buy a home. In order to do this, we could enact:

[...]

Underlined additions following the strike-through phrases they replace if they have any to, and always open for rephrasing. The main idea of the wording in the paragraph is to remind in a respectful way about how the residence leasing regulations in the last few years has done a great job killing the leasing market:

For reference, by designing the measures so strongly in favor of the tenants, to the point they pretty much had all the rights to decide and dispute when to leave a rented place even in the times a landlord should have them (not rent payment received in months, damage to the property, the safety of the neighborhood being compromised, to name a few), it dissuaded almost anyone willing to put a residence for rent from doing so out of fear of losing it in the same way as putting a "Free Home" sign on it would.


Other than that, the document states most of what's not surprising from the MUD and I have to agree it sounds very Centrist, but that's basically of what's expected of a conglomerate of parties with different political philosophies forced to be united from an desperate situation.

AstraSage
May 13, 2013


It was more like :qq: You took out the giant 3D Render we made of Bolivar so it looked like the Chávez Family could be his descendants :qq:

El Hefe posted:

He just accused the opposition governors and mayors of not building any houses when he perfectly knows the budget money they get is barely enough to pay the workers wages...

He makes me so angry

Not to mention slowing down (if not halting) the concession of permissions for that kind of project to non-Officialist Governors and Mayors...

I'm joining you on the sentiment...



Anyways, if I follow my sister's advice of counting sloppy one-liners such as "Palabra Cierta" as "Capuski capubul" (as well as my plan to use the space for the times he misspelled a Foreign name such as "Washington") the Bingo card is going like...



EDIT: He had to Namedrop Serra.

AstraSage fucked around with this message at 01:00 on Jan 16, 2016

AstraSage
May 13, 2013

Oh God, Allup's Rebuttal was so cathartical after the last 3 hours of hearing Maduro drone out...

AstraSage
May 13, 2013

JohnGalt posted:

Anyone care to share?

This was the fastest back-up I could find. It's pasted as a URL format instead of the automatic Video link because the latter erased the timestamp and I didn't want to subject anyone to Three Hours of Maduro (Even though it makes Allup's Half-an-Hour Response feel more wonderful) without a Drinking Game attached.

Also it's untranslated: I might try to include an English Transcript of it tomorrow.

https://youtu.be/uVkqutrl-F0?t=3h21m30s

AstraSage fucked around with this message at 05:50 on Jan 16, 2016

AstraSage
May 13, 2013

beer_war posted:

Thanks, if you made it through three hours of Maduro droning on, you are a stronger person than I am, but HRA's rebuttal was cathartic as gently caress.

Well, I have to thank playing that Bingo card as it helped me to keep the attention for Two and a Half hours of the speech. Of course I had to go somewhere else, so I missed the last half an hour (I heard it was as predictable as the rest), but then I managed to catch the start of Allup's Rebuttal with a bigger audience: And like my mother said about it and the Proclamation on the 5th, these are the kind of event any Venezuelan had to witness live.

On that note,

Chuck Boone posted:

If you don't have time to do it tomorrow (or today? or Sunday), I'll have some time on Monday to translate Allup's bit.

I said I would post it today, but it seems I'll have to go a bit more modular about it so here's the start:

Video Transcript so far posted:

{After the President is done with his speech}

Video Feed Announcer: At 8:23, The President goes up the stand to shake the hand of the President of la Asamblea Nacional, Henry Ramos Allup. Nothing can't manage to be heard of what they're telling each other. {She's wondering if she could be later received by the Minister of Economy, Luis... Islas?} And this way the Formal Exchange has been done. We don't know if we can hear the audio feed of the ambient.

{We don't hear anything until a few seconds later, but we can see Henry Ramos Allup trying to calm down the Greek Chorus Maduro brings to sing him praises whenever he does an awkward beat}

Henry Ramos Allup. Well, President, thank you very much. We have just finish hearing {He clears his throat} with a lot of respect and serenity your speech. One a bit heterodox; Part read, part improvised. With the same speech style as President Chavéz's...

Nicolas Maduro: {Took the faint praise too quickly as a compliment} Thank you.

{Ovations can be heard around the spectators' seats, as well as some stray "Viva Chavéz!" chants}

{Maduro is handed a bottle of water}

HRA: Of course, if as you promised you send us a written transcript (of the speech) {Maduro briefly halts his drinking act and at Ramos Allup's face with a Confused expression and then gulps to resume} along certainly with what's improvised, we're gonna evaluate and study it, so about it the Asamblea will emit its Political Opinion in a timely manner because, as it's well known, we lack constitutional faculties to declare a Legal Presidential Message. The Censor Votes can only be emitted about (the statements of) Ministries.

HRA: This Session, as everyone knows, took a lot to make it happen. What should have been a Regular Session. It took too much because we had way too many obtacles after the Elections.

{Quick close up to an assortment of deputees}

HRA: A few more resources, a few less... A result is gonna be produced, one which is invariable, clear and sharp.

HRA: At times- at times... {Spontaneuos Clappings Ensue} At times, President, whenever I hear the claps I wonder "Caramba! Will it be that we had actually lost the Elections?" {a few laughter can be heard after Maduro mockingly whispers "It looks like, doesn't it?"} with the thudering strength and rhythm of the clapping sounds. However, the reality was something else.

{The Clappings now became half-hearted}

HRA: This session, as I was saying, took a lot thanks to all the incidents we had to deal with since the Proclamation of the Deputees until Today... Well, as you know, President along with every politician, one has to bend in order not to break. But no one should mistake {Some Mockery and Cat Calls can still be heard for the previous statement from the Spectators} NO ONE should mistake that with this (Asamblea)... This is now a Constitutional Autonomous Power that's going to debate, is going to legislate and is going to control.

{The Clapping are more wide-spread and Deputees stand up. Some predictably faster than others}

HRA: Furthermore {Ramos Allup repeats it a few more times, the few last times with an instance of "President"} it's good to rememeber for the others Powers present here {Signals everyone sit in the stand} that the only Two Powers {He repeats the last two words to avoid a Clapping interruption} that have Legitimity and Origin from Popular Suffrage are the President, an Unipersonal Organ, and the National Legislative Power, that's Corporative. {Some deputees clap while others feel awkward} Everyone else are Derivate Powers subject to control by Disposition, not by Whim of those who make up the Majority at the current moment, of what's Constitutionally Established.

{Maduro look at his watch while the few Claps heard take a rhythm of desiring the speech to finish}

HRA: In all this time, everyone had accepted- everyone had their hits and everyone had their missed. It's the thruth. By the way, if we make a mistake and persevere towards that error, I won't tire myself saying it; The Perseverance towards Error has this intrinsic dynamic that makes the following mistakes to be even bigger. If instead we rectify or correct the Error, if we amend, we have a chance to get out afloat.

HRA: President, we have Seventeen Years, Seventeen Years, with this Regimen, with this model, and for the first time there's a call for dialogue. It's grave... {There's a bit of an interruption attempt} Don't fret. {It gets more direct with the mocking tone while a certain Group of Deputees starts grinning} Have some Patience. Have some Tolerance because, besides, as much as you don't want to hear it {Maduro joins on the grinning}, I'm still going to say what I need to say.

{Maduro slowly stop grinning as a spontaneous round of applauses happens}

HRA: In these Seventeen Years, President, that were grabbed by an Economic Model, a Development Model that hadn't brought Good Results and required since a long time ago of a Rectification and Amendment. Stop with the Nominalism. Plan A, Plan B, Plan de la Patria.

HRA: President, and the Economic Consecuences are everyday getting even worse because the Model has made a Mistake. The Model is Wrong. And there are the Numbers and the Results (to prove it).

{Another round of applause with few voices in the background saying "Let Him Talk!"}

HRA: By the way, if it were a Rectification and a Sincere Intention of Dialogue... Well, of course we would be all up for it! Who would want to keep the Waiting Lines going, to keep the Inflation going, to keep the Insecurity going, to keep the Collapse of the Public Services going and so on and on and on...

HRA: No one would ever want that.

HRA:If you don't want to listen, you either have to plug your ears or leave the Room, because I'm going to say what I need to say.


And those were just the First Six Minutes.

I'm gonna take a small rest because he ups the ante from here on and start quoting many different sources I need to familiarize with...

AstraSage fucked around with this message at 20:30 on Jan 16, 2016

AstraSage
May 13, 2013

My Imaginary GF posted:

Who's Nelson Merentes?

He's the Current President of the BCV (Venezuela's Central Bank, aka. the base of our entire economy).

AstraSage
May 13, 2013

My Imaginary GF posted:

Heh. I think there's some potential humor in that situation. Are there any good Venezuelan comedy shows that routinely get English dubs?

Certainly there would've been some if the Government hadn't systematically killed with their censorship measures all the Comedy Shows that used to be aired on Television and were capable of having quite the field trip with the events...

Well, at least Venezuelan Stand-up Comedians, Webshows and Social Media have been good picking up the enforced slack on that front, but I don't know if there's any dubbed one I can recommend.

AstraSage
May 13, 2013

I'm more of the opinion it doesn't matter if Maduro stays or not in the short term as long as we can start having a lot of the Yesmen from the Ministries weeded out and replaced with actually competent people to stir this nation-sized ship away from the collision course...

That said, there have been some rumors lingering today in town about some announcement to be made any moment now on the topic of the Fuel Prices...

And also,

Chuck Boone posted:

I had some time yesterday to translate Henry Ramos Allup's rebuttal to Maduro's speech at the National Assembly on Friday, which you can find here. You can also find a link to a video showing both Maduro's speech and Allup's rebuttal there.

Anyway, Allup's speech is important because of how frank it was, and because it voiced a number of really important issues that have really been swept aside by the chavista National Assembly over the past 17 years.

Allup is a really interesting speaker because he tends to use really flowery language. He interacted quite a bit with the PSUV deputies and the people in the stands who were heckling him, which created a couple of funny moments. Unfortunately, a lot of that is lost in the translation, but at least you'll get a sense of what some of the opposition's thoughts are on the issues of subsidized housing, the line between the military and civil spheres, etc.

Thank you so very much.

You lifted a huge weight off my shoulders, specially since the last two days I've been having Blackouts of the worst kind: The Blinking-style ones that go off for 1-to-10 minutes each interval of 10-to-20 Minutes for 6 Hours Period until a 4-hour-long Blackout caps it off for the day, which forces to keep all my electronics unplugged during all that time out of fear of short circuits killing my career as a Third-rate Programmer in his near-Senior Year...

Anyways, I have to admit still hold some attachment for the translation effort so I'm still willing to lend you an editorial hand after I clear my College Assignments (in what seems it's gonna be during Australian Working Shifts), mostly by filling the [unintelligible]s and dealing with some of the idioms used...

For example: when he talked about the Currency's devaluation, he actually quoted John Law (And I have to apologize to Scottish Goons for the guy being called English); and the Four Images he mentioned before talking about the 1825 Portrait by Gil de Castro and ripping a new one to the sloppy 3D Render were (in order) the 1826 Portrait by an Anonymous Painter, the One by Roulin, the 1830 One by Meucci and the 1829 One by José María Espinoza.

AstraSage fucked around with this message at 01:15 on Jan 20, 2016

AstraSage
May 13, 2013

The Lone Badger posted:

Where did all the drat money go? You used to be getting tons of it from oil exports, it has to have been spent on something.

There's a lot of public expenses that were written in the books but are actually unaccounted for, like in most of the inversions in Valencia's Subway Line or more relevantly the starting funds for the Tocoma Dam construction, which its Hydroelectric Plant was supposed to begin easing Guri's and the other Two Dams' Pressure back in between 2012 and 2014...

AstraSage
May 13, 2013

El Hefe posted:

How long until they start advising people to eat stray cats and dogs I wonder

Or baking mud cakes...

fnox posted:

I'm leaving this year for Sweden, this August actually. I'm trying to find a job that pays in dollars, and well, I'm trying to get the funds to be somewhat comfortable outside. There is no hope for this country, chaos is coming, and it's inevitable.

Good Luck, make sure you learn a good deal of Swedish as soon you can: Nordics may be well-versed in English, but showing interest in learning their language make them more open to socialize and make contacts (and ironically, coming from the experience of some friends dedicated to intercultural missions, you actually have better chance of making friends when you meet them while you're between the "Tarzan" and "Clown" phase of improving your language skills). Also, locate other Venezuelans that share similar plans to yours in the city you're going to be and help each other: just because we're not as nationalistic as other Latinamerican communities doesn't mean we shouldn't try sticking together in hard times (it gives you an easier time renting a place).

Other than that, I'm honestly envious: if I hadn't been shackled by College (and I'm still), both myself and my mother would've jumped at the suggestion of my cousin of spending a few months bunking at her home on Atlanta while collecting dollars via menial jobs...
Now, I have to steel myself with my internship, a few short assignments and my thesis, and then take the slow path of working as a programmer in a tiny local company with ties to a Mexican HQ and hope not to drown in the nation's despair while ensuring (with as many pushes as needed) my Sister can get out by next year.

AstraSage fucked around with this message at 02:14 on Apr 14, 2016

AstraSage
May 13, 2013

Labradoodle posted:

Dude, if you've got programming skills then you should be freelancing online and saving up money to leave. I mean, I'm making a somewhat decent living just working with WordPress sites and doing tech-related articles for a couple of sites and I'm a college dropout. As long as your English is good and you've got a Paypal account, there's nothing stopping you from earning multiple times more than what any Venezuelan firm could pay you in bolivares.

Sure, it may not look as good on your resume as working for an established company, but as long as you put together a decent portfolio you should be able to find work once you do manage to leave.

Alright, three reasons I'm not bailing out College like I should have done three years ago:
  • I'm already on my last year as a Computing Sciences Major, on a faculty known for having a curriculum which leads to have barely ten graduates per semester out of a starting student body of 200 (And a lot of the Dropouts jump straight to Engineering for an easier time) but said graduates end up be sought out internationally. It's an excellent title to have on a resume, and I don't need too much to finish it.
  • I much I want to go freelance (even though I'm quite sub-par on the implementation department), I know I'm really gonna need the professional experience of working with a team and what better than to do it with one in the little Venezuelan OpenERP-oriented firm that can and has sent some of its members for training outside the country, whether it's Panama, Mexico or the States.
  • Both myself and my Family has already invested a lot (and not just economically) in my Academic Career going through these years, and I've lived through enough College Teachers Strikes. It's become a matter of honor: I didn't swim as far as I did just to lay dead on the shore.

Also, I have a bit of an aversion of using Paypal to earn funds from non-tangible services: it's something one develops from watching an Animator Cousin's Local Team getting scammed of a $1500 gig by an extra-cocky Argentinean employing the deposit equivalent of Paying $50 with 2 cents coins and abusing the heavily buyer-oriented reimburse policies to revert all those deposits in a way that could not be disputed. When the day comes where I have to go freelance, I already have a very trusted friend of the family that allowed me to store the profit in his American Bank Account until I have enough to open and transfer it into a International Account for my family.

AstraSage fucked around with this message at 05:04 on Apr 14, 2016

AstraSage
May 13, 2013

I was talking about Universidad de Carabobo, and I stand my ground on not bailing.

Besides, I honestly am not the one I care the most to see off the country first: That'd be my elder sister, who's having a harder time as a Dentist, but she's doing things like waiting the start of an internationally-certified Dental Assistant course because she's that passionate about her career and keeping doing it outside...

AstraSage
May 13, 2013

Hugoon Chavez posted:

And suddenly it's raining so loving much in Caracas and Valencia (that I know of) that it's causing severe damages.

Just saw a video of a flood making cars roll down the hill, and my friends from Valencia have been sending pictures for a few hours. It's The Biblical Flood come to punish the wicked, and honestly Venezuela is a good place to find them.

Hope you Venegoons are ok, and with electric power.

Kinda funny, Maduro went out and prayed for rain on camera and now it can't stop raining and its loving everything up and oh god Maduro stop trying to do stuff.
Don't remind me of Yesterday's Deluge: The Cabriales must have overflown at least three times from all the flooding it received from the Bolivar Avenue.

Not to mention my home's electrical power has this "Damned if you do, damned if you don't" thing with the rain, so I ended up with no energy for 11 hours...

Thankfully,

wdarkk posted:

Is the rain actually ending up behind the dam? Someone earlier said it was in the wrong place. The most recent article I can find on it with a cursory google is from the 13th of April.

As far I know, all the Roraima area where the Caroni River receives its water is getting a generous amount of rain lately and many trusty Weather Forecasts are pointing to a week of storms over there.

Saladman posted:

You'll always have rum. If there's a sugar cane shortage, then Venezuela will be below South Sudan and Somalia on the UN list of "countries with their poo poo together".

About that, I have family living in one of the most prominent Sugar-cane producing areas and there's only bad news in that front...

Now if you excuse me, I'm preparing to mourn the Maltin just like I did with the National-style Oreos earlier this year.

AstraSage fucked around with this message at 00:39 on Apr 22, 2016

AstraSage
May 13, 2013

ronya posted:

wait

when did Jimmy begin denouncing Maduro

this is a sea change here, people

This would've been a nice sight to behold if he hadn't also mentioned so casually the whole thing of the "Revolutionary" Collectives being the key of our future, with no regards that's essentially wishing to doom us into a Second Caudillistic Era...

AstraSage
May 13, 2013

beer_war posted:

Quick reminder that the last time a recall referendum actually happened:

- The entire process took about a year.
- People had to sign up to three times.
- Chávez openly threatened people who would sign for the recall referendum ("Whomever signs against Chávez, will be registered for history. They'll have to put their name, address, signature, ID number and fingerprint.")
- The CNE gave the list of signatories to the government, which it would then use to fire thousands of public employees.

And to add to the last point: There are people that are still forbidden up to this date to enter many Public Service Offices because they signed in favor of that recall referendum.

AstraSage
May 13, 2013

Hugoon Chavez posted:

While functionally the same, I'm sure your teacher can visit, since traveling to Venezuela isn't forbidden , just won't go because it's dangerous, expensive and scary as hell.

Unless she declared herself as a Political Exile at entry.

I know some friends of my relatives did that to get a fast residence in the States, and from what my cousin (who did the proper legislation to get his Work & Residence Permit as an Animator) has told us after he paid a visit to them, they're not allowed to contact their families while the current government is in power unless they want to be deported back to Venezuela with any chance of re-entry forbidden...

AstraSage
May 13, 2013

El Hefe posted:

That can't be true because I have family members in the US who requested asylum and they are in the process right now and we are in contact all the time.

Have they checked if they can still do it after their process is actually done?

Then again, I've been speaking of the secondhand account of those who rushed their asylum process: there's either some inaccuracies in the story or they did something during it that earned the heightened restrictions.

AstraSage
May 13, 2013

Do your best out there, fnox.

Work hard in getting a better and safer life for you and your family until our Venezuela is given a chance to stop being such a disaster.

AstraSage
May 13, 2013

Redczar posted:

The propaganda machine in Venezuela is really efficient, drat. I have an idiot friend that has been in Venezuela for a week (out of a month total), and just told us how the real problems in Venezuela are those drat business owners and that the only people with complaints are on the right. And the only problem is the low minimum wage, but she understands because the government provides so much for people! This person knew nothing of Venezuela before she went. I'm counting the days until the CIA conspiracy theories manifest.

Did she only stay in the Touristic part of Caracas?

And excuse me if I think she's out of her Goddamn mind if she thinks if our biggest problem is the "low" wage. (I should assume she's comparing the wage to how it'll go in Dollars/Euros and is not aware in how deep we Venezuelans are in Currency Exchange Hell, though)

Like seriously: people have actually been panicking with the last minimum wage raise because the ones that had happened this year have only contributed to the vicious cycle that made the shortage problems worse.

A lot of business she's intending to accuse have been forced to be stuck between the rock of laying off personal they could no longer afford to pay the new wage and the law-required Alimentation Plan (which also gets raised on its own rate along with the wage) or the hard place of having to honor the payments to the point of near bankruptcy, and both outcomes have been good in lessening our already pitiful local production for more key shortages.

AstraSage
May 13, 2013

Hugoon Chavez posted:

"Bajarán los cerros" -or, "the hills will come down" refers to the people living at the poorest parts of the country (mainly hills in Caracas but Cerro basically refers to any poor neighborhood) as to communicate both that the common people are with him, and that the opposition has no support from the lower class.

In reality, everyone knows he's talking about the Colectivos. Everyone knows that if ordered, the colectivos WILL shoot to kill with total impunity, and that they have the firepower to act as Maduro's troops even if the military somehow turns on him. These are the fanatics of Chavismo with carte blanque to do whatever they want as long as it's "for the revolution".

I just want to point out that also everyone knows this is another blatant case of Maduro trying to change a phrase's meaning, and is doing it with one with a well-known context: "The Hills will come down" is a classic warning by politic studies experts addressed only to the Government that, once the limit of their patience is hit, the lower classes are more than capable of not stopping (even if it mean throwing their lives) until dismantling everyone in a seat of power that's clearly proven to not being interested in improving their life conditions (Hence why Chavez focused so much in his warped populist measures).

It's specially laughable he's also trying to attach it to the Colectivos, because they'd be actually ineffective the moment the phrase becomes true.

AstraSage
May 13, 2013

Chuck covered a lot of ground with his post, but he kinda forgot to point the Ultimate Irony that's fact all the Head Figures of the current Supreme Court that's working so hard to render the Parliament void under the excuse of prosecuting contempt and "fraudulently elected" Seats were appointed ahead of the legal date to do so as a parting gift of the sore losers that made up the Previous Parliament after delaying their last Holidays Break back in 2015's December, and love to rub off the knowledge said appointment can't be reversed before its Two Years period without supermajority and that the Court can rely on the President-appointed Ministries defending any "legitimacy" the Parliament has all the rights to question...

The fact this current unrest is the result of the Supreme Court desperately trying and failing to ensure there's not a Parliament to rearrange them out this December is kinda funny in a dark sense of hindsight, though.

AstraSage
May 13, 2013

Vlex posted:

Amazon deliveries to Venezuela are handled by a single, government-owned company in Miami, are they not? You order to there and they ship it on to you. At least that is how my colleagues in the IVIC explained it.

Not exactly.

It's more that if someone in Venezuela want something sent to them from Amazon, they need to get through one of many shipping companies instead of the disaster we call Postal Service. And pretty much all of said companies had a Miami Middleman Address to take advantage of Florida's tax-less prices not straining the original Restrictions we had in Electronic Purchases through Local Credit Cards (until two years ago, where not even the ones from Government-owned banks can be used for any non-Venezuelan website at all) so any added cost like the shipping itself could be covered in Bolivares, a separate amount of Dollars or Amazon Giftcards depending of the company.


On a unrelated note, I'm mostly lurking in this thread because usually anything I could report about Valencia ends up covered better by Chuck's compiling.

AstraSage fucked around with this message at 02:42 on May 8, 2017

AstraSage
May 13, 2013

caberham posted:

When a barely functioning state like North Korea relies on humanitarian aid to feed its people, it really makes Venezuelan leadership retarded. I mean geeze, at least appropriate all the donations like other lovely organizations for yourself and slowly hand more food out to the masses. Can't even scam donations right, what the gently caress, how dumb are you Maduro?

They tried once to use a Donated Batch from Mexico for the CLAP (and hid the fact it was charity to charge for the rations), but they were so blatantly corrupted in how mismanaged its distribution was their "Venezuela doesn't have any Crisis that needs Internacional Aid" Policy is just them not wanting to be in a spot to face off another government or organization without a Bribe-able way out: for a refresher, the safest option to get the supposed "Monthly" (yet Weekly-sized) Ration Pack was always to pay outrageous prices to millitar-aligned scalpers.


On other news, the Guard has been going hard in Valencia's usual protest spots (Distribuidor El Trigal, Tazajal) today.

AstraSage
May 13, 2013

Pharohman777 posted:

Venezualas attempt to accept charity sounds interesting, can you guys tell me more about this and the aftereffects when it was found that ration packs were being sold?

Okay, I'm not good at elaborating at these topics, but I need to make sure one thing is kept it clear: CLAP is basically a "Home-delivered Ration Pack by Subscription" System the Government formulated in its classic "Treat the Symptoms, not the Disease" fashion to end the whole "long waiting lines in grocery stores" thing caused by the food shortage and it was meant to be sold in the first place, with the actual problem being just another stripe to a tiger well known for profiting out of import shenanigans.

AstraSage fucked around with this message at 03:59 on May 16, 2017

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May 13, 2013

Saladman posted:

Wait, after reading the full article twice I'm more confused. Does the Maduro regime also have its own thing going on at the same time?

:psypop:

A constant reminder about Local Politics is that whenever the opposition propposes to make a big event like previous marches, the government loves to create a parallel one on the same day to pretend things are going their way.

That said, I'm delurking to say I managed to vote for the plebiscite and the proccess has been fast in Valencia and with a constantly strong turnout.

AstraSage
May 13, 2013

MREBoy posted:

Did something happen to cause Venezuela to shut down their part of the internet ? It's going on 3+ days since Chuck has posted anything on the forums :ohdear: .

Chuck must be busy recovering from his trip to Mexico.

Not to say the Internet has been performing well these last weeks back home, though.

People has been describing this week with a very Venezuelan Saying ("Preparen las Alpargatas, porque viene el Joropo", which could be localized as "Get your Best Dance Shoes ready, because we're gonna be Tapping a lot") about how rowdy things are getting the closer we get to the Constituyente next Sunday:

The CNE decided this last Sunday to lift the Geographical limit on Voting Centers to "ensure voters can be able to exert their right to participate in the case they can't be at their designated center", aka. They're gonna try to dress up the participation rate under the excuse that suddenly a lot of people didn't decide to stay at their own towns with all these blockades and yet were desperate to vote. There has been a lot warnings against about buying stuff this weekend in Places with Finger Prints Checking Machines like Bicentenario Supermarkets or Farmatodo convenience stores (Because people can't help being :tinfoil: with some of the unscrupulous stuff the CNE has done in previous elections) .

There's also a Two Days-long Lockdown starting on Thursday, and my parents are now planning to be stuck for Three days at Valencia's Arturo Michelena Airport to ensure my older sister don't miss her own flight to Mexico that same morning.

AstraSage
May 13, 2013

I would really like to comment on any of the points brought up but I'm still recovering from being beyond pissed off all of yesterday when I learned Mexican Customs greeted my sister with a huge "Return to Sender"...

AstraSage
May 13, 2013

Labradoodle posted:

What the gently caress? They sent your sister back to Venezuela? Did they give her any reason why?

The final reason she got was she didn't have enough money on hand for her two-month trip, but it was clear that was just her Brutish Interrogator (The idiot spent hours forcing my sister to recite her travel plans and personal info of the friends who were gonna host her, and even damaged my sis' confiscated phone) looking for the Cat's Fifth Paw: All the Venezuelans on that flight were sent back for wildly different reasons.

Honestly, this ended up being a reminder that the only governments that are actually compassionate about Venezuelans' plight are Chile and Peru, and that's only because they lived through Pinochet and Fujimori respectively...

AstraSage
May 13, 2013

Conspiratiorist posted:

Has everyone forgotten loving Pinochet? :psyduck:

Chile certainly hadn't, and that has been why its government have been very open to Venezuelan Inmigrants nowadays...

Seriously, I'm saying this as someone currently living in Venezuela: I honestly don't care about how incompetent the MUD can be at times because they're a conglomerate of political parties that would've never joined in normal conditions, but even the worst thing they've done pales compared to the atrocities made by a Regime that has proven they don't mind ruling a nation of corpses...

AstraSage
May 13, 2013

Ghost of Mussolini posted:

In the pages and pages of noble educators elevating the Latin American savages through handpicked tweets I missed what happened to the venegoon who's sister was having trouble making it to Mexico. Was there an update on that? Wouldn't have wanted to have to go back this weekend of all weekends.

That would be me.

She managed to get back home on Saturday. She could've gotten back to the nation on Friday along with the rest of that flight's Venezuelans, but our Mexican friends (the ones that were to host her for a month) managed to get a flight plan change from Copa Airlines because she would've been sent to Maiquetia instead of her true departure point in Valencia and my mother wasn't looking forward to anyone having to cross the No Man's Land that's Caracas to pick her up during that weekend...

That said, she's still getting help from many sources to get out of the country fast. Specially because the main rumor going around is that the first measure the ANC is gonna execute once established seems to be severe Travel Limitations.

AstraSage
May 13, 2013

qkkl posted:

Venezuela has the largest oil reserves in the world. If I were Maduro I would ask the Russians or Chinese for help in building more oil wells. Then I'd make the country better by just pumping all that oil money into the economy, and skim a bit off the top for me and my friends. Now I have tons of money and my people love me and ask me to kiss their babies.

The Government has tried to get Russia and China to renew all the extraction points in the past, but those nations have found importing Venezuelan Oil costs too much for almost no profit (Especially when Russia has better Oil sources in its own territory), hence why China is no longer lending money.

And like Labradoodle said, the Government loves to take the Lion's Share out of everything without actually working for it, hence why all their seized companies has been driven to near bankrupt so far...

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AstraSage
May 13, 2013

Sergg posted:

Since Venezuela is a petro-state which discovered oil in the 1940s, most of its economic growth has centered around petroleum production and industry. It has always been a net importer of food, mostly from Colombia and the US. In 2004 agriculture was about 5% of the GDP and 10% of the labor force. As of 2005, 3% of proprietors owned about 70% of the agricultural land, which is one of the heaviest land concentration in Latin America. The Venezuelan government has responded to this by confiscating huge tracts of it and handing it over to urban poor families. The problem is that they need to import tractors, harvesters, tools, seeds, cement for silos, etc. and they can't do that because Venezuela's currency isn't worth dog poo poo and the government isn't concerned with helping them either at this point. There are many parallels to Robert Mugabe in the sense that he caused massive famine and hyperinflation due to a poor understanding of economics and agricultural policy.

I feel I should correct one small fact: Oil in Venezuela was discovered much earlier, back in the late 1900s to early 1910s.

Also the main issue of handing confiscated plots of farming land to urban poor families is that the Ministry of Agriculture didn't bother to train or supervise them, so predictably a lot of those farm sites quickly fell into disrepair and got abandoned by a lot of those families returning to the slums.



I also could tell another factor about the whole agricultural mismanagement, but I don't want to bore anyone with family anecdotes about rice...

AstraSage fucked around with this message at 04:55 on Aug 3, 2017

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