Venezuela: The Empanada Summit

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brugroffil: Nov 30, 2015

WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:

Nice muzzle break

first of all why on earth would they be given metal magazines that were made circa 1996 and brand NEW pmags

Also, if you look at the pattern its metal, pmag, metal, pmag, metal, pmag in that pattern. Why would they give half poo poo and half great + another half tan mags.

One rifle is missing a barrel.

These rifles also don't have optics iron or otherwise

Can you maduristas tell me why the CIA deep state sent rifles with no iron sights?

Is it maybe because you can purchase all these parts and have them sent to venezuela, but sanctions cut down the optics you can import?

A closer look at the row of rifles, None have optics to speak of iron, or otherwise

There are new in the package optics in your last pic

# ¿ Feb 10, 2019 00:18

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# ¿ May 14, 2024 02:47

brugroffil: Nov 30, 2015

WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:

2. And how exactly are they going to zero those in without prior training

There were still at least some optics though.

I'd imagine that if this actually were part of foreign arming of contra like forces, there would be more than one shipment. Would each individual shipment necessarily be full kits?

# ¿ Feb 10, 2019 02:49

brugroffil: Nov 30, 2015

Labradoodle posted:

Anyone half-informed about what's going on in Venezuela would know about the government's own death squads, called FAES. However, not knowing anything about Venezuela has never stopped most people from emitting opinions.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-politics-police/inside-a-raid-in-maduros-crackdown-on-critics-in-venezuela-slums-idUSKCN1PS07M
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/feb/06/venezuela-faes-special-forces-nicolas-maduro-barrios4
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/30/world/americas/venezuela-maduro-protests-faes.html
https://www.caracaschronicles.com/2019/01/29/as-petare-rises-up-faes-wages-war-on-the-poor/

While we're at it, let's talk about indigenous people. Again, someone with even the vaguest notion of what's going on in Venezuela would know the government gives exactly zero fucks about them. Not only did they strip them of their representation in the National Assembly on a whim, but indigenous communities in Venezuela are ravaged by disease, pushed off their lands, and have no choice but to emigrate en masse.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/08/27/world/social-issues-world/venezuela-crisis-turns-indigenous-people-displaced-lost-tribe-brazil/
https://www.hivplusmag.com/stigma/2018/5/07/aids-threatens-venezuelas-indigenous-population
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-spain-politics-catalonia/madrid-demonstrators-reject-governments-catalonia-policy-idUSKCN1PZ0CY

What does any of this have to do with anything being discussed

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# ¿ Feb 10, 2019 16:35

brugroffil: Nov 30, 2015

Discendo Vox posted:

It's the Venezuela thread. Not the United States thread.

Yeah but he quoted a post talking about Abrams and arming contras

# ¿ Feb 10, 2019 19:08

brugroffil: Nov 30, 2015

Rust Martialis posted:

Well, this *is* the Venezuela thread, not *actually* the US-is-horrible thread. So it is:
(1) on topic, and
(2) clear most new posters know next to nothing about the situation in Venezuela generally, so useful information.

Yes it's on topic for the thread but seemed completely disconnected from the post it was responding to/quoted?

# ¿ Feb 10, 2019 21:17

brugroffil: Nov 30, 2015

Discendo Vox posted:

We already discussed the problems with that poll the first time you posted it.

Is there a poll or survey that shows Guaidó with majority or plurality support over Maduro?

# ¿ Feb 13, 2019 03:48

brugroffil: Nov 30, 2015

Has the Venezuelan Supreme Court said anything about the declaration of abandonment?

I understand that Maduro packed the court with a bunch of partisan hacks, but they are still technically a legitimate (legally, not politically) and constitutional court, right?

# ¿ Feb 13, 2019 20:14

brugroffil: Nov 30, 2015

She's a sitting rep on the relevant committee and has every right to question the war crimes ghoul about his past enthusiasm for mass slaughter

# ¿ Feb 14, 2019 00:21

brugroffil: Nov 30, 2015

elgatofilo posted:

It's not about being nice, it's about not losing control of the narrative and letting uncle sledgehammer control it instead, allowing him to paint himself as the victim (which he obviously is not.) At this point the left has completely lost control of the Venezuela narrative.

The simple policy matter is that the opinion of Minnesota voters doesn't matter, or California voters, or Oregon voters, or any other deep blue state. The administration is targeting a very specific, very powerful voting bloc with their actions.

The left has AOC, why aren't they using her to reach out to Venezuelan and Cuban community leaders? Criticism of Abrams is a lot more powerful when it's coming out of many mouths and especially the mouths of stakeholders in the Venezuelan-American community. Instead they chose someone embroiled in a PR disaster, who has no connection whatsoever to the stakeholder community and has made zero attempt to do so. Getting rid of Abrams would be very easy if Rubio or Trump thought they would lose the votes they're targeting by being associated to him. This is simply irresponsible.

She isn't in that committee and wouldn't be involved in that hearing today

# ¿ Feb 14, 2019 00:36

brugroffil: Nov 30, 2015

GreyjoyBastard posted:

I am curious (and worried) what the general responses to this sort of thing actually are, because I am hilariously unplugged from normal person public opinion.

also in this particular case I love Ilhan Omar and hate Eliot Abrams, so

edit: gato, while I'm not sure Omar was handpicked by the party exactly, I think you at least make a good point about what the Dems should be doing

99.5% of people will never see it

# ¿ Feb 14, 2019 00:36

brugroffil: Nov 30, 2015

https://twitter.com/kellymagsamen/status/1095817536669696000

# ¿ Feb 14, 2019 00:37

brugroffil: Nov 30, 2015

Rubio is already gunning for military intervention.

There is no possible world where Dem hearing questioning of the war crimes ghoul leads to that changing.

# ¿ Feb 14, 2019 00:56

brugroffil: Nov 30, 2015

drawkcab si eman ym posted:

https://www.predictit.org/markets/detail/4965/Will-Nicol%C3%A1s-Maduro-be-president-of-Venezuela-on-Dec-31,-2019

Currently 42% Yes that Maduro is in office on Dec. 31, 2019
58% No

w/ highs of 67% No not too long ago

idiots betting on things isn't any indication of reality

# ¿ Feb 14, 2019 23:12

brugroffil: Nov 30, 2015

Rust Martialis posted:

"Noun. Verb. *bits of smashed baby skulls*"

# ¿ Feb 15, 2019 17:53

brugroffil: Nov 30, 2015

e: whoops wrong thread

# ¿ Feb 15, 2019 17:58

brugroffil: Nov 30, 2015

https://twitter.com/AP/status/1096443590635646976

# ¿ Feb 15, 2019 18:18

brugroffil: Nov 30, 2015

WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:

"Military aircraft"is kind of broad. I doubt theyre doing terror flybys with f22s in downtown caracas.

military cargo planes can transport military cargo as well as food aid

# ¿ Feb 15, 2019 18:47

brugroffil: Nov 30, 2015

It is bad that Venezuelans are starving.

We will increase the starvation to show them the light.

# ¿ Feb 18, 2019 00:16

brugroffil: Nov 30, 2015

The truly sad thing is that if we address global warming like we need to, Venezuela is going to be completely hosed economically anyway.

# ¿ Feb 18, 2019 03:45

brugroffil: Nov 30, 2015

https://twitter.com/woodruffbets/status/1097571416151674881

# ¿ Feb 18, 2019 20:43

brugroffil: Nov 30, 2015

caracas guido posted:

You don't seem to comprehend exactly how much oil Venezuela has and how much money they were bringing in before they torpedoed all their own wells from incompetence.

That kind of money just doesn't disappear. It was on levels comparable to Saudi Arabia and Saudi Arabia was sending all their college kids to the United States to study with $50,000 scholarships annually and buying up and investing billions in foreign companies left and right. Venezuela has NOTHING but crumbling 20 year old infrastructure. Saudi Arabia has massive steel buildings and modern metropolises in the middle of the loving desert.

And that doesn't even touch the drug money that the Cartel of the Suns are moving through Venezuela, which for the US routes is nearly all of it.

I heard Maduro actually has stolen in excess of $43 quadrillion

# ¿ Feb 19, 2019 03:34

brugroffil: Nov 30, 2015

Unrelated to current events, but I just finished the Revolutions podcast series on Simón Bolívar. Good background on how independent South America came to be

# ¿ Feb 19, 2019 03:36

brugroffil: Nov 30, 2015

https://twitter.com/aaronjmate/status/1097601566671015936

# ¿ Feb 19, 2019 18:39

brugroffil: Nov 30, 2015

patonthebach posted:

Its interesting that most of the twitter journalists that are being posted in this thread are currently on a sponsored trip in Venezuela. Your last poster included.

Unless he's fabricating a quote from McCabe's book, what the hell does that have to do with what McCabe said the President of the United States said in private meetings regarding Venezuela?

# ¿ Feb 19, 2019 18:50

brugroffil: Nov 30, 2015

The Great Depression was p. bad

# ¿ Feb 21, 2019 16:10

brugroffil: Nov 30, 2015

Chuck Boone posted:

I apologize to the rest of the thread for being so repetitive, but here I go again:

Guaido cannot call the election. Only the Consejo Nacional Electoral can call the election. The Consejo Nacional Electoral is a pillar of the regime, which is why it has not and will not call the election.

seems like a fundamental flaw in the constitution then, or at least in the "this counts as abandonment" interpretation vs. actual physical abandonment

# ¿ Feb 21, 2019 20:45

brugroffil: Nov 30, 2015

Chuck Boone posted:

... so Maduro put the cargo containers to... block the bridge? Which is precisely what the story was.

I wasn't confused by the story at all. I was confused by some people's reaction: "Actually, the bridge was never opened " as if that somehow negates the placement of the containers which, as you agree, was done to block the bridge when it was opened to allow the aid transport. Well, "confused" might be the wrong word, given how the debate on this issue has developed. "Disappointed" or "saddened" might be better.

The implication from the initial coverage was that Maduro was closing an active bridge. He wasn't.

# ¿ Feb 21, 2019 20:46

brugroffil: Nov 30, 2015

https://twitter.com/Abs_NBC/status/1098719175235854337

# ¿ Feb 22, 2019 17:35

brugroffil: Nov 30, 2015

providing public transportation to a public event is good though

# ¿ Feb 22, 2019 20:24

brugroffil: Nov 30, 2015

zapplez posted:

You would have been ok living in Libya ? Or was it in fact a lovely place to live for most people?

Good Lord

# ¿ Feb 23, 2019 18:43

brugroffil: Nov 30, 2015

zapplez posted:

Is it really a hot take to say living in a dictatorship was a bad time?

There is quite a bit of Western Man's Burden coming through that post imo

# ¿ Feb 23, 2019 20:43

brugroffil: Nov 30, 2015

Negrostrike posted:

It is located entirely in the Western Hemisphere so...

I dunno why I didn't say white man's burden but yeah that is the message coming through that post

# ¿ Feb 23, 2019 22:22

brugroffil: Nov 30, 2015

sounds ominous

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1099491369330995200

I'm sure the US has a solid plan behind their action on how to stabilize the country

# ¿ Feb 24, 2019 03:53

brugroffil: Nov 30, 2015

https://twitter.com/elizondogabriel/status/1099473323053010945

# ¿ Feb 24, 2019 03:55

brugroffil: Nov 30, 2015

it's weird that the provocative political aid convoy from the US had a predictable result that is almost immediately leading to calls for military intervention

# ¿ Feb 24, 2019 04:01

brugroffil: Nov 30, 2015

I think I'm pretty much where noted tankie Sen. Chris Murphy is at:

https://twitter.com/ChrisMurphyCT/status/1099478257534144513
https://twitter.com/ChrisMurphyCT/status/1099479848085610497
https://twitter.com/ChrisMurphyCT/status/1099481385927143424

# ¿ Feb 24, 2019 04:05

brugroffil: Nov 30, 2015

what are the thread's thoughts on this?

https://twitter.com/ciccmaher/status/1099419098688208896

# ¿ Feb 24, 2019 04:18

brugroffil: Nov 30, 2015

Does anyone think the US actually cares about the humanitarian conditions for Venezuelans? It's only been a little more than a year since they let thousands of their own citizens die and then did nothing to help rebuild.

# ¿ Feb 24, 2019 13:29

brugroffil: Nov 30, 2015

Posted for the video not the tweet comment

https://twitter.com/garoukike/status/1099422202561204224

# ¿ Feb 24, 2019 14:36

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# ¿ May 14, 2024 02:47

brugroffil: Nov 30, 2015

zapplez posted:

It looks like the aid truck burning on the bridge was the result of a badly thrown molotov cocktail that was supposed to hit towards the military but landed short near the aid truck.

So the opposition burned their own aid truck, and us politicians are rushing to use that as an excuse for escalation.

# ¿ Feb 24, 2019 18:40

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