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NLJP
Aug 26, 2004


PerpetualSelf posted:

Arresting opposing politicians is terror. What the PSUV has spread is hatred.

If you don't shut the gently caress up I'm gonna start quoting Stalin on how important killing people is for the revolution and how easy it is for enemies to hide and take over a revolution and that the best solution is to kill all them fuckers.

You are a pathetic marxist you little chicken poo poo. So afraid of blood and all you can go about is loving death squads.

You are about as revolutionary as a loving potato. Stalin would have you put down like a proper little bourgeoisie scum that you are. Mao would have you hung from the ropes. Pol Pot would have had you buried in sand then he would have personally taken a blowtorch to it.

You are no friend of the revolution. Your just some stupid little white guy that thinks he understands the world. And one thing all marxists love is killing loving crackers. So shut the gently caress up you pasty Bai-guei, gringo, Oquizi Ohcha, maggot.

Hahaha wowza

I'm not sure saying pol pot, Stalin and Mao would straight up have him 'taken care' of for his views is the slam dunk argument you're looking for here. This doesn't mean he's not an idiot but come on dude.

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NLJP
Aug 26, 2004


Borneo Jimmy posted:

Don't know how you could be racist to an apartheid regime that forcibly sterilizes black people.


That's Israel. Not "Jews". <<--not very clever original text left for posterity

edit: never mind, didn't catch the wider context of the conversation for a moment there. This is a dumb vector of attack on borneo jimmy overall. He said Israel not Jews. He's still laughable but come on, let's not do the whole 'any criticism of israel is racist (i.e anti-semitic)' thing here. Disclaimer: I have no idea if anything he said about Israeli interference in the region has any basis in reality.

NLJP fucked around with this message at 22:49 on Oct 18, 2015

NLJP
Aug 26, 2004


M. Discordia posted:

1) Invoking the mysterious Israel/Zionist boogeyman as being behind world events that in actuality have nothing to do with Israel, such as the destruction of Venezuela's society by the PSUV, is often an extension of anti-Semitic conspiracy theory thinking.

2) The Chavez-sponsored mob that painted swastikas on the ruins of the synagogue they looted was not "criticizing Israel." Handwaving the actual persecution of Jews as "criticism of Israel" is in fact anti-Semitic. Anti-Semitism is a real problem in Venezuela today. Many minorities (Jews, Colombians, homosexuals, non-socialists) have found themselves scapegoated in turn by the authoritarian regime of Venezuela, as is the nature of authoritarian regimes.

The point is not whether "criticism of Israel" is valid, the point is why Israel is being discussed in the context of Venezuela at all. The answer is because the hardline leftists defending Venezuela have no reasonable argument and are just throwing out an incoherent list of Bad Things that they think people with left-leaning sympathies in general might latch on to.

Sure, but Israel as an actor in the world stage (especially covert operations) is definitely A Thing that cannot be dismissed a priori. Let him hang himself by lacking evidence for said involvement but the idea that Israel/Mossad could never be involved in the region and that the very implication is anti-semitic or racist is pretty dumb.

I agree with you that the likelihood of Israeli involvement in Venezuela is low and even if it is there it is unlikely to be a big factor, mind you. It does need more than that to be accused of being systematically racist for me.

NLJP fucked around with this message at 23:59 on Oct 18, 2015

NLJP
Aug 26, 2004


Saladman posted:

I don't know if this is true, but it is front-and-center on Wikipedia's article for Maduro. This is his signature:



The guy obviously doesn't even know how to read or write. That signature is the modern-day equivalent of writing an X.

Well, I mean sure but having said that, Russian Cursive exists:



edit:

NLJP
Aug 26, 2004


fnox posted:

The devil's excrement is the Venezuelan term for oil.

Man, everything about Venezuela is so loving bleak. That is so apt.

NLJP
Aug 26, 2004


fnox posted:

Ok I wasn't expecting two full pages of goons wishing me well :kimchi:, thank you all.

I also wasn't expecting the Bogota airport to be loving incredible, I thought I wouldn't have wi-fi until Madrid but even the Venezuelan airport had free wi-fi. So yeah, trips' going alright thus far, the Caracas-Bogota flight was nearly empty, and I checked into El Dorado Airport in like 5 minutes, I was honestly stunned at how developed our loving neighbors are. Also, Hugoon, I'm actually gonna be in Madrid in a connecting flight, I'm in Barajas from like 8am and then my Madrid-Brussels-Copenhagen flight takes off at 12pm, so I have a couple of hours to kill if you're available. I know it's a bit of a long shot since it's morning on a weekday, and it's at Barajas which is super crowded, but still.

You're moving to Kristianstad right? First, prepare for the whacky pronunciation of that place and second, if you find yourself near Karlskrona any time soon give me a shout. I'm about half an hour away from there for a few months. There's not a lot to do in Karlskrona but it's quite pretty to spend an afternoon in or we can take you to the islands for a day or two.

NLJP
Aug 26, 2004


fnox posted:

Yeah, I'm at my room now. The neighbors turned out to be quite friendly and hooked me up with a bed, so now I have to just buy like a couple of things and I'm set. Also, I see what NJLP meant by wacky pronunciation, Kristianstad is somehow pronounced like "Krijuansta", so I'm pretty much safe now, if all I'm just getting properly settled.

I heard that Kimberly Clark Corp. left Venezuela, firing all 2000 employees and offering them a severance package, is that true? If so, then Venezuela is truly sitting at the eye of the storm, that's a pretty huge multinational that is just leaving the country.

Congrats man! Keep us updated on your swedish adventures. As I said you have an open invitation to visit us on the islands. It should be a simple trip if you get a Blekingetrafiken card, we can pick you up from Karlskrona, it's a couple of stops on the train. I especially recommend you go to any Crayfish party you can, they usually start around August. If you feel a bit down, some crayfish and aquavit will fix you right up.

Anyway, it won't all be easy, things can get surprisingly complicated but you will find lots of help if you need it.

NLJP
Aug 26, 2004


Lund is a university town (well, so is Kristianstad I guess but Lund is a bigger deal) so yeah, expect idiot ill-informed lefties.

Mind you, it wouldn't surprise me if that wasn't also a reaction to the slide to the right Sweden has been experiencing.

NLJP
Aug 26, 2004


Yeah this does smell very coup-like to me.

NLJP
Aug 26, 2004


TheImmigrant posted:

I don't mean to be making an argument for Borneo Jimmy or other tankies, but from my outside vantage point Venezuela just seems Really Bad. It's a place I'd still consider (still am considering, actually) visiting for work.

What makes you think it is in any way a good idea to go work in Venezuela right now when anyone in their right mind and the ability to do so is bugging out? People are getting shot waiting in line and the rest just shuffle on because it is more important to keep your place in line.

NLJP
Aug 26, 2004


I dont know posted:

This seems almost scripted surrealism, I encounter these two headlines randomly placed next to each other on a news aggregator when search on the food situation.

Let Them Eat Cake: Venezuela Celebrates Chavez’ Birthday With $100,000 Cake, While Citizens Starve

Venezuelan children express hunger in drawings

This is just horrific :( I've spent the last decade or so thinking North Korea was the next big crisis that would blow up with an imploding country, mass starvation and huge regional and international knockon effects but it looks like it's a race to the bottom and Venezuela is flooring it hard.

Anyway fnox, any updates on how you're doing now you've been a month or so in Europe? Any way to get in touch since you don't have PMs?

NLJP
Aug 26, 2004


-edit: wtf, butt post I guess. Sorry friends.

NLJP fucked around with this message at 17:27 on Jul 31, 2017

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NLJP
Aug 26, 2004


qkkl posted:

Venezuela has the largest oil reserves in the world. If I were Maduro I would ask the Russians or Chinese for help in building more oil wells. Then I'd make the country better by just pumping all that oil money into the economy, and skim a bit off the top for me and my friends. Now I have tons of money and my people love me and ask me to kiss their babies.

poo poo oil that's expensive and hard to refine at a time of low oil prices and diversification from oil as fuel source

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