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Sergg
Sep 19, 2005

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When prices go crazy like that, people just start using cigarettes and booze as currency.

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Sergg
Sep 19, 2005

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It's really crazy to read this thread in one huge block and see the slow, creeping doom engulfing your country as goods disappear from stores, money becomes worthless, widespread electricity blackouts happen, and the ruling party robs the nation blind.

Even if the opposition got elected, what would they do? How could they fix it?

Sergg
Sep 19, 2005

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Polar beer is closed. I remember reading that you guys said there was some kind of conspiracy against it?

Sergg
Sep 19, 2005

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Holy gently caress I just read a bio of your president and he never graduated highschool

Sergg
Sep 19, 2005

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El Hefe posted:

I burned my right hand with some chemical and I went to the dermatologist and even though I had to spend all afternoon on an epic trek through the city to find all the medicines I eventually managed to find them all, hurray.

Doctor was also cool enough that he gave me a cream for free because he tells me it's impossible to find in pharmacies.

What cream? Please tell me it isn't Silvadene. If you are going to use Silvadene on a burn, please be aware that the newest scientific evidence shows that Silvadene actually impedes wound healing.

Sergg
Sep 19, 2005

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How hosed up is it that they are blocking your signatures to recall a guy who can't even loving spell his own drat name? This is literally Maduro's signature from his Wikipedia page.

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Sergg
Sep 19, 2005

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New law: all decrees from El dictador have to be written by him without spelling or grammar errors.

Sergg
Sep 19, 2005

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So what kind of mental illness does Borneo Jimmy have? Anyone with a medical or psych background in this thread?

Sergg
Sep 19, 2005

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Right well the thing is I rarely meet people that insanely involved and dedicated to Communism that they will literally tell a bunch of starving people that they aren't really starving or that it's all a big conspiracy. There's usually a mental illness involved.

The only situation I can see where he's not mentally ill is if he's like some kind of disabled guy who never talks to people here in the USA and gets all of his news from Communist websites and has no other social connections.

Sergg
Sep 19, 2005

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Friendly Humour posted:

Thanks for the oversimplification. If it wasn't "immediately" worse, then it was better.

People are breaking into the zoo at night to eat the animals because there's no food, but hey, keep splitting hairs over poo poo that happened 15 years ago.

Sergg
Sep 19, 2005

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Maybe Venezuela is really awesome and they're just telling us that Caracas is one of the world's murder capitals and people are eating stray cats because they don't want us to go over there and find out what a paradise it is.

Sergg
Sep 19, 2005

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Chavez is totally good and cool. I don't wanna hear any more of this treasonous, anti-revolutionary talk about "all the food and medicine is gone" or "holding new elections".

Sergg
Sep 19, 2005

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Good loving luck to whoever takes control after Maduro is gone. This kind of damage will take decades to repair.

Sergg
Sep 19, 2005

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Jygallax posted:

I'm poking my head a bit into the conversations about Venezuela happening in far-left spaces and a common line of attack against the opposition seems to be that they are racist/and or have their ranks filled with white supremacists. Is there any truth to this at all

LOL

Sergg
Sep 19, 2005

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lol there's no food and people are literally starving to death and the tankies are coming in here to tell actual Venezuelans that they're a bunch of CIA puppets. Way to be completely disconnected from basic human empathy

Sergg
Sep 19, 2005

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I had a tankie on my Facebook wall the other day who was completely shocked to learn that there are no broad sanctions against Venezuela and that the Venezuelan government is the one refusing to let food aid into the country. In between hoovering up articles from WSWS about the inevitable triumphant march of Communism he'd never bothered to actually... ya know, speak to Venezuelans or do basic research on their laws. He didn't know elections were cancelled. He didn't know they were starving to death.

But he shut up and listened instead of pompously spewing his dogmatic creed, since he has a basic sense of human empathy and a genuine desire to learn.

Sergg
Sep 19, 2005

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Seems like there is already armed conflict in your country, it's just that one side has all the arms.

Sergg
Sep 19, 2005

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Maybe you should pay attention to the actual Venezuelans in this thread who remember a time when they had stuff like food, medicine, and toilet paper.

Sergg
Sep 19, 2005

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The REAL victims here are the white people living in rich countries who have to listen to these fascist Venezuelans constantly complain about dumb stuff like "Waaah! There's no food! Waaah! We don't have basic medicine! Waaah! My family members have been robbed and killed by heavily armed gangs working for the government!"

Sergg
Sep 19, 2005

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You guys realize that either Maduro is going to falsify the results or just ignore the results and continue to rule as a dictator, right?

Sergg
Sep 19, 2005

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Labradoodle posted:

Again, they can't falsify the results of an election that didn't involve the Electoral Council and in which the government didn't participate at all. He can say that 5 people voted, but that doesn't make it true. Of course, he's going to ignore the results, but the goal was never to show them to him and hope he went "Oh well, I'll leave the keys to Miraflores under the mat".

The goal, in this case, was to give the MUD a nice number they can wave around as they appoint a new Electoral Council and Supreme Court. They're basically going to set up a parallel government and use it to call for presidential elections while pressuring the military and courting international recognition with today's results. A lot of that gets lost in translation I think.

Is it going to work? Who the gently caress knows, but it's worth a shot.

Best of luck then.

Sergg
Sep 19, 2005

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I am 100% certain that all the Venezuelan officials named are just law-abiding public servants. Why would any of them have substantial US assets to seize in the first place? I'm sure they will laugh this off heartily, for they are but humble guardians of peace and socialism who get by on their normal salary. They are definitely not skimming millions of dollars off the top by trafficking narcotics, embezzlement, and currency manipulation.

Sergg
Sep 19, 2005

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Bob le Moche posted:

To many leftists this does matter because the important question is not whether the government is "authoritarian" or not

Clearly

Sergg
Sep 19, 2005

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If you start from the premise that food and medicine are bad, you'll actually find that comrade Maduro is objectively good.

Sergg
Sep 19, 2005

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ITT a bunch of white people suddenly appearing this weekend to tell actual Venezuelans that their suffering is a lie and they should support an illiterate bus driver & high-school dropout who has already handed the country over to the military & intelligence services.

Sergg fucked around with this message at 06:57 on Jul 31, 2017

Sergg
Sep 19, 2005

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Food and medicine are actually bad, I have no idea why anyone would want Venezuelans to have them.

Vote Maduro!! He didn't finish high school but he'll certainly finish off Capitalism!

Sergg
Sep 19, 2005

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Holding the leaders of your country to minimal competence standards is bad, just like having basic medical supplies. Welcome to Caracas. The hospital stay is complementary but we don't have any bags of saline. You know how capitalist countries will charge you $200 for an aspirin? We promise not to do that.

Sergg
Sep 19, 2005

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I hope that one day I can receive severe blunt force trauma to the head so I can match Maduro's keen intellect. I also hope that I can become a fat piece of poo poo that refuses international food aid for my fellow citizens. Maduro has singlehandedly solved Venezuela's obesity problem! Vote Maduro!

Sergg
Sep 19, 2005

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For real though, not that they'll ever get the chance to, but good luck to anyone trying to unfuck that mess. That pooch was screwed when they handed the state oil company and food distribution networks over to the Army and gave a bunch of military weaponry to loosely organized street gangs & militias.

Sergg
Sep 19, 2005

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Have fun with your civil war, Venegoons

:smith:

Sergg
Sep 19, 2005

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To be honest I thought he was satire

Sergg
Sep 19, 2005

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Scent of Worf posted:

I'm not an expert

Obviously

Sergg
Sep 19, 2005

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White people ethnocentrically misapplying their own domestic problems to Venezuela never gets old. I've lurked this thread for over a year and it never ceases to amaze and bewilder. Usually they don't realize they're talking to a thread that has a bunch of actual Venezuelans posting in it.

Sergg
Sep 19, 2005

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Hugo Chavez won elections multiple times in Venezuela and he's the one who wrote the constitution that Maduro is illegally replacing. A lot of the people fighting in the streets voted for him. Henrique Capriles is a Jewish lawyer who first entered their assembly as a member of the Venezuelan Green Party and then founded the center-left Primero Justicia party with Leopoldo Lopez.

Sergg
Sep 19, 2005

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If you don't know who Leopoldo Lopez is, he's the most popular politician in Venezuela. He's a firebrand human rights activist and political prisoner who's been beaten and tortured by the Venezuelan government for his activism. He was an economics analyst for the state oil company and an economics professor at UCAB. He was a very effective mayor of Chacao for 8 years and was reelected with 81% of the vote for his second term. He spent the last 3 years in a prison cell occasionally being tortured. The prosecution lawyer eventually fled the country and openly admits all the charges against Lopez were bullshit.

Sergg
Sep 19, 2005

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MullardEL34 posted:

The disappearing has begun. It's pretty revealing when a regime claims to be leftist but uses 80's death squad tactics against dissidents.
They aren't going to start killing people, are they?

The instant they incorporated the military into their massive corruption schemes they ensured that nobody would have the power to remove them without first defeating the armed forces whose officers now have a strong incentive to stay rich with the status quo. They're just going to keep their boots on the necks of average Venezuelans until the money dries up.

Sergg
Sep 19, 2005

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Wait a second, María Gabriela Chávez has $4 billion dollars? Doesn't that make her the richest person in Venezuela, and worth more than industry tycoons like Mendoza?

Sergg
Sep 19, 2005

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Labradoodle posted:

It's a rumor that's taken a life of its own. Clearly, she's not lacking for money, but I doubt anyone knows how much Chavez himself really stole from the country at this point.

I'm reading about Tareck El Aissami now (he's the Vice President & head of their secret police, SEBIN, for those that don't know) and when the US government seized his assets, they netted his private Gulfstream Jet and 3 different extremely expensive apartments at the Four Seasons complex in Miami. They also sanctioned 13 different shell companies linked to him which had assets totalling $3 billion, 5 of which are in Venezuela.

How did El Aissami buy a private jet and 3 luxury condos in Miami on just his salary? Interesting.

Sergg fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Aug 1, 2017

Sergg
Sep 19, 2005

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qkkl posted:

he is refusing aid in order to force Venezuela to become self-sufficient for food and medicine.

LOL I think you've probably put way more thought into this than Maduro has.

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Sergg
Sep 19, 2005

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Imagine if Donald Trump was a pretend socialist instead of a pretend conservative and there were no legislative checks on his power.

You need to import raw materials, farm equipment, factory machinery, seeds, fertilizer, etc. to have a viable agricultural industry and the Maduro government has essentially destroyed most of those possibilities with hyperinflation of the currency and confiscating businesses that are handed to his cronies which rarely reopen. It's basically one big "going out of business" sale for the entire country and they're picking it clean before it collapses.

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