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corn on the cop
Oct 12, 2012

Break what must be broken, once for all, that's all, and take the suffering on oneself.

― Corey Dostoyevsky
bill simmons is so loving embarrassing right now

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Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

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Poonerman posted:

bill simmons is so loving embarrassing right now

When a fan freaks out like that I just want to say "you have contributed nothing of value to their success and their success gives no benefit to your character"

Febreeze
Oct 24, 2011

I want to care, butt I dont


evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

quote:

Admirers and critics agree: Belichick will walk 10 miles to gain an inch on his opponent. For example, every Friday teams must announce which injured players are doubtful, questionable or probable to play that Sunday. Teams usually take 53 players to the game and announce, 90 minutes before kickoff, which seven are inactive. But sometimes, at Saturday-night meetings, Belichick tells his staff which players on the opposing team were not on the flight to New England, a source with knowledge of the meetings tells SI. It’s not clear how Belichick knows. But he does.

ahahaha bill puts spies in airports to gain 12 hours of info

7 RING SHRIMP
Oct 3, 2012

I honestly thought it was impossible for me to like Bill Belichick more but here we are

GonadTheBallbarian
Jul 23, 2007


EATIN SHRIMP posted:

I honestly thought it was impossible for me to like Bill Belichick more but here we are

I am so goddamned amped for the season :allears:

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

the best part of the SI article is how they point out everyone is so loving paranoid of what the patriots might be doing that they waste a ton of time and attention guarding against it, meaning even the cheating Bill's not doing gives the patriots an advantage

CortezFantastic
Aug 10, 2003

I SEE DEMONS
BB is the dirtiest player in the game and I love it

GobiasIndustries
Dec 14, 2007

Lipstick Apathy

Poonerman posted:

bill simmons is so loving awesome right now

Ahahaha, people are already reporting on him:
http://www.businessinsider.com/bill-simmons-spygate-report-2015-9

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

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I don't get why the Pats don't embrace the fact they are so good at bending the rules their coach is doing poo poo most people do0n't even think to check for.

It's much more charming than "we're the best ever hurrrrr"

sean10mm
Jun 29, 2005

It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, MAD-2R World

Mel Mudkiper posted:

I don't get why the Pats don't embrace the fact they are so good at bending the rules their coach is doing poo poo most people do0n't even think to check for.

It's much more charming than "we're the best ever hurrrrr"

Why can't it be both?

Because it's true. :smuggo:

Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

Oh boy, posting!
That's where I'm a Viking!


Mel Mudkiper posted:

I don't get why the Pats don't embrace the fact they are so good at bending the rules their coach is doing poo poo most people do0n't even think to check for.

It's much more charming than "we're the best ever hurrrrr"

I enjoy the hell out of it at least. I mean BB is basically that odds maker from Casino, Lefty Rosenthal.

Diva Cupcake
Aug 15, 2005

I like the "Stop Hating on the Pats, national reporter. Be more objective like Tom Curran" guy on Twitter.

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

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Handsome Ralph posted:

I enjoy the hell out of it at least. I mean BB is basically that odds maker from Casino, Lefty Rosenthal.

My favorite part is that Casino is based on a true story and the real life lefty sold the movie on his website and used it to advertise how good at sports betting he is.

Parmesan Basil
Nov 12, 2008

TIME IS THE FIRE IN WHICH WE BURN THE GAME CLOCK
Pats are evil. Sadly they are still only the sixth most evil team, due entirely to non-football reasons. Being a Pats fan, however, is still hard to understand. Please explain it to me. Is it just because they win? There has to be more to it.

Hot Diggity!
Apr 3, 2010

SKELITON_BRINGING_U_ON.GIF

Mel Mudkiper posted:

I don't get why the Pats don't embrace the fact they are so good at bending the rules their coach is doing poo poo most people do0n't even think to check for.

It's much more charming than "we're the best ever hurrrrr"

Because then they would have to acknowledge that they were cheaters and that they cannot win without cheating duh

Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

Oh boy, posting!
That's where I'm a Viking!


Mel Mudkiper posted:

My favorite part is that Casino is based on a true story and the real life lefty sold the movie on his website and used it to advertise how good at sports betting he is.

Oh I know. The book is even better surprisingly.

Parmesan Basil posted:

Pats are evil. Sadly they are still only the sixth most evil team, due entirely to non-football reasons. Being a Pats fan, however, is still hard to understand. Please explain it to me. Is it just because they win? There has to be more to it.

Grew up in New England. I watched them eat poo poo for years, finally get to SB XXXI, lose to Farve and then a few years later, they become amazing. Also, this

EATIN SHRIMP posted:

Know what's the cool thing though? No matter what, most of us here had the Patriots be the best team during the primes of our lives, teenagers and twenties, when you can really enjoy it. It's like God personally blessed me. It's really something special my friend.

Impossibly Perfect Sphere
Nov 6, 2002

They wasted Luanne on Lucky!

She could of have been so much more but the writers just didn't care!
The prime of your lives is teen years and 20's. :lol:

How precious.

Parmesan Basil
Nov 12, 2008

TIME IS THE FIRE IN WHICH WE BURN THE GAME CLOCK

Handsome Ralph posted:

Oh I know. The book is even better surprisingly.


Grew up in New England. I watched them eat poo poo for years, finally get to SB XXXI, lose to Farve and then a few years later, they become amazing. Also, this

Hmm. So you've been indoctrinated? There are resources to help you overcome this.

Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

Oh boy, posting!
That's where I'm a Viking!


Parmesan Basil posted:

Hmm. So you've been indoctrinated? There are resources to help you overcome this.

I will contend that a large fraction of the Pats fanbase are pants on the head retarded. Then again, this can be said about any other sports teams fanbases.

Diva Cupcake
Aug 15, 2005

NC-17 posted:

The prime of your lives is teen years and 20's. :lol:

How precious.

"All I'm saying is that if I ever start referring to these as the best years of my life - remind me to kill myself."

Pron on VHS
Nov 14, 2005

Blood Clots
Sweat Dries
Bones Heal
Suck it Up and Keep Wrestling

NC-17 posted:

The prime of your lives is teen years and 20's. :lol:

How precious.

I'm 30, and the birth-to-puberty ages sucked, so...yeah. they are.

Blarfk
Dec 26, 2003

NC-17 posted:

The prime of your lives is teen years and 20's. :lol:

How precious.

tbf 20's probably is prime for watching football, assuming you have disposable income to go to the game / stock your place with booze and food and get rip-roaring drunk all sunday

CortezFantastic
Aug 10, 2003

I SEE DEMONS

quote:

The narrative that paralleled the Patriots' rise -- a team mostly void of superstars, built not to blow out opponents but to win the game's handful of decisive plays -- only increased rivals' suspicions. After all, the Patriots had won three Super Bowls by a total of nine points. Although Belichick admitted to Kraft that the taping had helped them only 1 percent of the time ("Then you're a real schmuck," Kraft told him), the spying very well could have affected a game, opponents say. "Why would they go to such great lengths for so long to do it and hide it if it didn't work?" a longtime former executive says. "It made no sense."

This is a real missed gem from that article

Cav
Jun 7, 2002

I'm a (3 star) Highway Star.

Mel Mudkiper posted:

I don't get why the Pats don't embrace the fact they are so good at bending the rules their coach is doing poo poo most people do0n't even think to check for.

It's much more charming than "we're the best ever hurrrrr"

That's my view on it and has been for a long time. But as has been noted, there are a lot of terrible sports fans out there all around.

I am in a 48-team baseball fantasy league using Diamond Mind Baseball (a couple of goons are also in it) and spent 3+ years on Rules Committee. It was basically nonstop dealing with loopholes people would find and determining if there was any sense in changing rules as a result, or people lobbying for rule changes because certain owners got better at working them than others. Basically, it's exactly what the NFL is like, only our commissioner isn't an imbecile constantly throwing temper tantrums because he lets his ego get in the way. Anyway, once people figured out how someone was taking advantage of a loophole, they'd start just making up in their head what you're up to. Like I came up with a method for countering the annual draft by trading players for picks when players are more valuable, then trading the picks back for players at the end of the season when picks are more valuable. Since we can only lose 6 players in the draft, I'm constantly ahead of everyone else. After a while, some owners would suspect on every trade offer I sent them that I had some secret master plan in play that was going to screw them over. And oh yes, there have been plenty of propaganda wars trying to instill the idea that owners are cheaters or their way of playing is invalid for however they're working the system.

In other words, it's pretty much what the NFL goes through, only we have no money in play, and it's a silly fantasy league. So I can only imagine how bad it is a the professional level. I think sports fans are out of their minds if they think their team isn't cheating, working the system or trying to at least bend the rules in some way. As a lifelong Pats fan, I adore Billy Five Aces for being the dirtiest player in the game.

Also, we have a rule in place to cover "spirit of the league" violations and it has been used once in about eight years.

Impossibly Perfect Sphere
Nov 6, 2002

They wasted Luanne on Lucky!

She could of have been so much more but the writers just didn't care!

Cav posted:

I am in a 48-team baseball fantasy league using Diamond Mind Baseball

and after that it was all giberish

sean10mm
Jun 29, 2005

It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, MAD-2R World
The Patriots are good at NFL football and this is fun to watch.

:ms:

It is also fun to watch how super stupid their opponents often are, e.g. Harbaugh having a nervous breakdown over a couple trick plays to the point he gets flagged for it, Carroll gifting us the Lombardi through sheer mental spaz-out, etc., etc. and so on.

And honesty the butt fumble game by itself fully justifies being a Pats fan forever because that was the funniest loving thing impersonating a sporting event in history, and I saw it live and it's still funny.

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

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My school makes us go on "fellowship retreats" every year and one event is an Amazing Race

There is no prize, nothing happens if you win, and its supposed to be just for fun. I win almost every year because I bend the rules on that mother fucker like no one would believe.

The camp had to change some of the games because I spent a week before the retreat figuring out how to break them.

What I am saying is, if it ain't specifically illegal, do the gently caress out of it. Smokey Yunick that poo poo.

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

Obscure to all except those well-versed in Yuuzhan Vong lore.
So from what I read literally nothing the Patriots did aside from continuing to tape signals from the sidelines past the 2006 memo was actually against the rules. The rumors of stealing playsheets and poo poo have been around for years with literally no evidence to cooberate it. Which is what has been known for years. Why is this news?

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

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Shimrra Jamaane posted:

So from what I read literally nothing the Patriots did aside from continuing to tape signals from the sidelines past the 2006 memo was actually against the rules. The rumors of stealing playsheets and poo poo have been around for years with literally no evidence to cooberate it. Which is what has been known for years. Why is this news?

Explain the spies in the airport lol

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

Obscure to all except those well-versed in Yuuzhan Vong lore.

Mel Mudkiper posted:

Explain the spies in the airport lol

I must have missed that part in the article. What is it?

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

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Shimrra Jamaane posted:

I must have missed that part in the article. What is it?

http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/09/08/patriots-cheating-suspicions-bill-belichick-tom-brady?xid=si_social

quote:

Admirers and critics agree: Belichick will walk 10 miles to gain an inch on his opponent. For example, every Friday teams must announce which injured players are doubtful, questionable or probable to play that Sunday. Teams usually take 53 players to the game and announce, 90 minutes before kickoff, which seven are inactive. But sometimes, at Saturday-night meetings, Belichick tells his staff which players on the opposing team were not on the flight to New England, a source with knowledge of the meetings tells SI. It’s not clear how Belichick knows. But he does.

Cash Monet
Apr 5, 2009

Mel Mudkiper posted:

My school makes us go on "fellowship retreats" every year and one event is an Amazing Race

There is no prize, nothing happens if you win, and its supposed to be just for fun. I win almost every year because I bend the rules on that mother fucker like no one would believe.

The camp had to change some of the games because I spent a week before the retreat figuring out how to break them.

What I am saying is, if it ain't specifically illegal, do the gently caress out of it. Smokey Yunick that poo poo.

Ehhhh the spirit is different here. Its sports but think of the professional dynamic.

People's jobs are being evaluated based on performance and if another team gets an edge on you through illegitimate means I'd be pissed.

Shangri-Law School
Feb 19, 2013

Why does Belichick still hate the Jets so much? Is Woody Johnson that awful?

Amy Pole Her
Jun 17, 2002
Lol SJ to save the day and deny it like a true soldier

D-LINK
Oct 1, 2007

I was talking to peachy Peach about kissy Kiss. He bought me a soda.
Oh hey guys, remember last week that the Pats were vindicated lol

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

Obscure to all except those well-versed in Yuuzhan Vong lore.

Oh I only read the ESPN piece, that's why I missed it.

That's pretty creepy but again not against the rules?

AAA DOLFAN posted:

Lol SJ to save the day and deny it like a true soldier

The only thing I denied is the allegations that the Patriots were stealing play call sheets which, at this point, has literally nothing to support it. Of course the Patriots were taping signals from 2000-2007 and then mixing and matching them afterwards. But that isn't against the rules.

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

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Shimrra Jamaane posted:

Of course the Patriots were taping signals from 2000-2007 and then mixing and matching them afterwards. But that isn't against the rules.

lol

Impossibly Perfect Sphere
Nov 6, 2002

They wasted Luanne on Lucky!

She could of have been so much more but the writers just didn't care!

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

Oh I only read the ESPN piece, that's why I missed it.

That's pretty creepy but again not against the rules?


The only thing I denied is the allegations that the Patriots were stealing play call sheets which, at this point, has literally nothing to support it. Of course the Patriots were taping signals from 2000-2007 and then mixing and matching them afterwards. But that isn't against the rules.

Do you and Starcraft have some kind of murder suicide pact?

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evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

MY NIGGA D-LINK posted:

Oh hey guys, remember last week that the Pats were vindicated lol

they were

that's what owns so hard about this

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