Winning: The Habits of Highly Effective Coaches, A containment zone

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Mel Mudkiper: Jan 19, 2012; At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

quote:

Witnesses would later say Kraft's remarks were heartfelt, his demeanor chastened. For a moment, he seemed to well up.

Then the Patriots' coach, Bill Belichick, the cheating program's mastermind, spoke.

lol

# ¿ Sep 8, 2015 16:26

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# ¿ May 14, 2024 18:31

Mel Mudkiper: Jan 19, 2012; At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

BB is genuinely cool as hell Tom Brady is the one I hate

Its gonna own when Brady gets old and BB soullessly tosses him aside like garbage

# ¿ Sep 8, 2015 16:29

Mel Mudkiper: Jan 19, 2012; At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

Its gonna own when New England loses the improbable luck that lead to the BB/Brady combination and goes back to being a perennial underperformer again

# ¿ Sep 8, 2015 16:31

Mel Mudkiper: Jan 19, 2012; At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

Like, Boston fans have had a good decade in baseball and football after being a joke for half a century and its gonna be awesome when they realize their entire success was a statistical aberration and they go back to being sad brain cavemen shitheads.

# ¿ Sep 8, 2015 16:32

Mel Mudkiper: Jan 19, 2012; At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

I don't buy the SI story

If Belichick was gonna cheat with communications equipment he would give them perfectly functioning equipment that he knew the frequency for.

# ¿ Sep 8, 2015 16:44

Mel Mudkiper: Jan 19, 2012; At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

Poonerman posted:

bill simmons is so loving embarrassing right now

When a fan freaks out like that I just want to say "you have contributed nothing of value to their success and their success gives no benefit to your character"

# ¿ Sep 8, 2015 17:08

Mel Mudkiper: Jan 19, 2012; At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

I don't get why the Pats don't embrace the fact they are so good at bending the rules their coach is doing poo poo most people do0n't even think to check for.

It's much more charming than "we're the best ever hurrrrr"

# ¿ Sep 8, 2015 17:42

Mel Mudkiper: Jan 19, 2012; At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

Handsome Ralph posted:

I enjoy the hell out of it at least. I mean BB is basically that odds maker from Casino, Lefty Rosenthal.

My favorite part is that Casino is based on a true story and the real life lefty sold the movie on his website and used it to advertise how good at sports betting he is.

# ¿ Sep 8, 2015 17:53

Mel Mudkiper: Jan 19, 2012; At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

My school makes us go on "fellowship retreats" every year and one event is an Amazing Race

There is no prize, nothing happens if you win, and its supposed to be just for fun. I win almost every year because I bend the rules on that mother fucker like no one would believe.

The camp had to change some of the games because I spent a week before the retreat figuring out how to break them.

What I am saying is, if it ain't specifically illegal, do the gently caress out of it. Smokey Yunick that poo poo.

# ¿ Sep 8, 2015 18:28

Mel Mudkiper: Jan 19, 2012; At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

So from what I read literally nothing the Patriots did aside from continuing to tape signals from the sidelines past the 2006 memo was actually against the rules. The rumors of stealing playsheets and poo poo have been around for years with literally no evidence to cooberate it. Which is what has been known for years. Why is this news?

Explain the spies in the airport lol

# ¿ Sep 8, 2015 18:32

Mel Mudkiper: Jan 19, 2012; At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

I must have missed that part in the article. What is it?

http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/09/08/patriots-cheating-suspicions-bill-belichick-tom-brady?xid=si_social

quote:

Admirers and critics agree: Belichick will walk 10 miles to gain an inch on his opponent. For example, every Friday teams must announce which injured players are doubtful, questionable or probable to play that Sunday. Teams usually take 53 players to the game and announce, 90 minutes before kickoff, which seven are inactive. But sometimes, at Saturday-night meetings, Belichick tells his staff which players on the opposing team were not on the flight to New England, a source with knowledge of the meetings tells SI. It�s not clear how Belichick knows. But he does.

# ¿ Sep 8, 2015 18:38

Mel Mudkiper: Jan 19, 2012; At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

Of course the Patriots were taping signals from 2000-2007 and then mixing and matching them afterwards. But that isn't against the rules.

lol

# ¿ Sep 8, 2015 18:50

Mel Mudkiper: Jan 19, 2012; At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

Stealing signals has never been against the rules though? Where you can try and steal them from is, and was clarified in the 2006 memo. So?

lol

# ¿ Sep 8, 2015 18:56

Mel Mudkiper: Jan 19, 2012; At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

Stealing play sheets would be quite a damning thing, but where exactly is there any evidence that it ever occurred besides the paranoid suspicions of unnamed sources?

lol

# ¿ Sep 8, 2015 19:01

Mel Mudkiper: Jan 19, 2012; At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

evilweasel posted:

i am actually curious if there is a rule that bans stealing play sheets

If so Shimrra would admit he did it but then backpeddle to saying its not against the rules

# ¿ Sep 8, 2015 19:05

Mel Mudkiper: Jan 19, 2012; At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

I wish Mike Tomlin could pull this poo poo

Instead he is just walking on the field like a putz

# ¿ Sep 8, 2015 19:10

Mel Mudkiper: Jan 19, 2012; At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

What are you talking about? If its against the rules to steal a playsheet (which I would bet it is in some way, whether directly or indirectly) then its cheating plain and simple. I wouldn't defend it. I just ask for some type of evidence that it was ever actually done.

Taping signals: Not against the rules
Stealing playbooks: Almost surely against the rules in many ways

It's not that hard.

and yeah yeah yeah

lol

lol

# ¿ Sep 8, 2015 19:13

Mel Mudkiper: Jan 19, 2012; At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

But that's not a bombshell, or even anything new?

The Patriots played the Steelers in the regular season.

After getting their asses kicked they studied the film like every single team in the sport does after every single game. They also studied their own taping that they did focusing on the defensive signals that the Steelers used.

Cue the AFCCG and the Patriots immediately notice that hey, the Steelers are literally doing the exact same things they did in the previous game. So they chaos dunk on them because why not? Should they pretend that they don't recognize what the Steelers defense is doing?

This literally isn't cheating. Its not even bending the rules.

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# ¿ Sep 8, 2015 19:41

Mel Mudkiper: Jan 19, 2012; At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

By former Patriots employees who remain nameless and off the record. Who knows what their role in the team was if any. "per sources" is the journalistic partner of "im just asking questions"

By that logic Watergate wasn't a thing

# ¿ Sep 8, 2015 19:45

Mel Mudkiper: Jan 19, 2012; At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

"Why doesn't this former coach give his name when ratting on his dishonest employer?" - Literally Shimrra right now

# ¿ Sep 8, 2015 19:46

Mel Mudkiper: Jan 19, 2012; At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

Comparing this and the avalanche of information that came out from Deepthroat is disingenuous and you know it.

"There is no avalanche here" - a man who can no longer be seen beneath the snow

# ¿ Sep 8, 2015 19:49

Mel Mudkiper: Jan 19, 2012; At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

Schefter has a good personal track record. I consider a good track record being information from unnamed sources that later come out with evidence that there is truth to it. When Schefter says that some "source close to such and such a player" says that he is signing with X team and then he does, well that pretty conclusively ends that.

So the two largest sports journalism publications in the world don't have the authority that Schefter has?

# ¿ Sep 8, 2015 20:01

Mel Mudkiper: Jan 19, 2012; At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

Ehud posted:

Outside The Lines also has a good track record.

Please, its not like they won a Peabody or something

# ¿ Sep 8, 2015 20:01

Mel Mudkiper: Jan 19, 2012; At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

Shimrra please respond to

Ozu posted:

lol Van Natta has won multiple Pulitzer's.

# ¿ Sep 8, 2015 20:10

Mel Mudkiper: Jan 19, 2012; At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

Having never heard of him before today he sounds like a professional and credible journalist who has been awarded with a high honor based on a history of quality investigative research.

meaning?

# ¿ Sep 8, 2015 20:12

Mel Mudkiper: Jan 19, 2012; At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

So launch an official independent investigation into the allegations.

Like the Wells Report you totally 100% believe is true?

lol nice edit

# ¿ Sep 8, 2015 20:19

Mel Mudkiper: Jan 19, 2012; At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

Run an official investigation just not an investigation run by anyone I can find any reason to distrust in any way

# ¿ Sep 8, 2015 20:20

Mel Mudkiper: Jan 19, 2012; At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

Run an official independent investigation

*highly damning report is released from official independent investigation*

No, I mean a different official independent investigation

# ¿ Sep 8, 2015 20:22

Mel Mudkiper: Jan 19, 2012; At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

lol nice work guy who bought Shimrra a new av

# ¿ Sep 8, 2015 20:26

Mel Mudkiper: Jan 19, 2012; At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

It doesn't run contrary to the OTL report at all. It says simply that if true its horribly damning (I agree) but at the same time that nothing has been proven yet. The allegations have been made. Now look into them. Is that wrong?

Considering the last time the allegations were investigated you denied them, yes

# ¿ Sep 8, 2015 20:33

Mel Mudkiper: Jan 19, 2012; At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

Nevermind forgot independent versus investigation

# ¿ Sep 8, 2015 20:48

Mel Mudkiper: Jan 19, 2012; At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

EATIN SHRIMP posted:

Warm gatorade is laugh out loud hilarious. I hope hammer cock Belichick doubles triples quadrouples down on his hatred of the media and his cheating. I hope they strip the visiting team locker room to bare concrete and refuse medical attention to injured opponents

this guy gets it

# ¿ Sep 8, 2015 20:52

Mel Mudkiper: Jan 19, 2012; At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

Like, Shimraa, bro, I will give you the Wells report.

But bro, bro, you gotta admit your steadfast refusal to acknowledge this article as damning pending an official investigation of decade old allegations is perhaps a bit obtuse

# ¿ Sep 8, 2015 20:55

Mel Mudkiper: Jan 19, 2012; At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

Ehud posted:

guys every time I bring up any of this stuff to my coworker he just replies with a fallout boy song called "I don't care" lol

Your coworker listens to Fallout boy lol

# ¿ Sep 8, 2015 21:58

Mel Mudkiper: Jan 19, 2012; At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

Bad Moon posted:

I'll be sure to get you his complete medical records, psych profile, list of allergens and have Jet Li whisper moves via sub-dermal two radio system before hand so you can have a proper Patriot Way victory

Unless his opponent is a manchild from New York

# ¿ Sep 9, 2015 19:36

Mel Mudkiper: Jan 19, 2012; At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

There is something deeply refreshing that all the plotting in the world was undone by Eli loving Manning twice

Maybe the secret is that Tom Coughlin is so old and traditional his stone-carved playsheets in Aramaic are impossible to steal

# ¿ Sep 9, 2015 20:16

Mel Mudkiper: Jan 19, 2012; At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

EATIN SHRIMP posted:

The last two sentences are 100% true though. If you can't admit that now then you can't ever admit it I'll be watching

If it were the usual gently caress monkeys at ESPN and not a Peabody Award winning program featuring an article by a pulitzer prize winning journalist I would agree.

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Mel Mudkiper: Jan 19, 2012; At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

Not yet, but soon.

Bro, you could say gravity exists and poo poo would start floating

# ¿ Sep 10, 2015 17:42

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