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Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty
and there's a new chapter.

apparently it's a weekly series, so that's cool.



when she's trying to hide something from someone, she makes a :nyoron: face. :allears:

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Artificer
Apr 8, 2010

You're going to try ponies and you're. Going. To. LOVE. ME!!
For the pharmacist Mao Mao manga, why is she so upset by Rakan and why does she dislike him so much? Pretty boy says he understands what he means for her existence in chapter 29.2 but i dont understand the implications?

Mors Rattus
Oct 25, 2007

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Artificer posted:

For the pharmacist Mao Mao manga, why is she so upset by Rakan and why does she dislike him so much? Pretty boy says he understands what he means for her existence in chapter 29.2 but i dont understand the implications?

He is her biological father. We don't have the full details on why she hates him for that, but her life's been pretty lovely.

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007
there's some deeply unsavory poo poo between them that hasn't been fully explained. mao mao has faced every other obstacle in her life with mild annoyance at most, but she's completely terrified of him.

K Prime
Nov 4, 2009

Artificer posted:

For the pharmacist Mao Mao manga, why is she so upset by Rakan and why does she dislike him so much? Pretty boy says he understands what he means for her existence in chapter 29.2 but i dont understand the implications?


These are actual future spoilers from stuff not yet in the manga:
To elaborate, he's kind of a social idiot and kept trying to purchase her from the brothel like you would a regular courtesan in an attempt to gain custody of her. Now she thinks of him as "that weird pedophile who kept trying to make me his sex slave."

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




Feels like this thread is pretty quiet most of the time but I have a contribution for once!

I'm Stanning the Prince




I'm not going to sell this well but whatever. The basic premise is that Emporer marries an Empress, she has two kids and he marries a second one who has one. The second one is murdered and rumors spread about the first two kids about them having supposedly having killed her. So public opinion of them is pretty low in general and they're very intimidating to look at in general.

A commoner woman who's fond of the prince writes stories about him (fan-fiction) that a merchant takes and turns into a book and it actually becomes extremely popular and perception of the both of them begins to swing the other way in a positive fashion.

Don't let my poor summary of it turn you off of it, it's very good and the author is very consistent about putting things at the end of the chapter to make you want to keep reading it.

Brought To You By
Oct 31, 2012
I don't know how I feel about a quasi-medieval society having the word fanfiction as common vernacular.

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




Brought To You By posted:

I don't know how I feel about a quasi-medieval society having the word fanfiction as common vernacular.

Man, you are really not gonna be happy when Angela starts fangirling over the prince in 4 chapters.

Julias
Jun 24, 2012

Strum in a harmonizing quartet
I want to cause a revolution

What can I do? My savage
nature is beyond wild

Brought To You By posted:

I don't know how I feel about a quasi-medieval society having the word fanfiction as common vernacular.

I mean, fanfiction has existed alongside humanity as long as we have been writing stories...

Homer's epics like the Iliad, and works like Dante's The Divine Comedy? They're fanfiction of the battle of Troy and Catholicism/the people and politicians in Dante's lifetime respectively.

HenryEx
Mar 25, 2009

...your cybernetic implants, the only beauty in that meat you call "a body"...
Grimey Drawer
I think fanfiction generally means "fiction of other people's fiction", not dramatization of real life stuff

Patrick Spens
Jul 21, 2006

"Every quarterback says they've got guts, But how many have actually seen 'em?"
Pillbug
No, fanfiction is a specific type of derivative work that is really only possible after you have e.g. widespread copyright laws. Fanfiction isn't any work of fiction that references something else. It is fiction that is written specifically in the context of being a fan of something.

Elfface
Nov 14, 2010

Da-na-na-na-na-na-na
IRON JONAH
Yeah, Dante's stuff was really more like FriendFiction.

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007
it really surprised me when i found out that a bunch of monks wrote homoerotic fan fiction about the knights of the round table in the 1200's. it makes sense when i think about it, though. gay fan fiction is timeless.

Julias
Jun 24, 2012

Strum in a harmonizing quartet
I want to cause a revolution

What can I do? My savage
nature is beyond wild

HenryEx posted:

I think fanfiction generally means "fiction of other people's fiction", not dramatization of real life stuff

I mean, you can totally make fan-fiction about real people, like a story about Justin Timberlake dating Britney Spears and them working with the CIA to stop a terrorist plot in Malibu.

Patrick Spens posted:

No, fanfiction is a specific type of derivative work that is really only possible after you have e.g. widespread copyright laws. Fanfiction isn't any work of fiction that references something else. It is fiction that is written specifically in the context of being a fan of something.

Like I said above, you can be a fan of people, or a fan of religion, it's not specific to being a fan of a specific copyright. Also, even by your stringent definition, you still had fanfiction of Don Quixote that purported to be the real sequel, but was not.

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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:

it really surprised me when i found out that a bunch of monks wrote homoerotic fan fiction about the knights of the round table in the 1200's. it makes sense when i think about it, though. gay fan fiction is timeless.

Arthuriana is basically layers of fanfic all the way down, it’s kinda great.

Patrick Spens
Jul 21, 2006

"Every quarterback says they've got guts, But how many have actually seen 'em?"
Pillbug
Dante was not a "fan of religion." He was Catholic. There's a difference.

Brought To You By
Oct 31, 2012

RareAcumen posted:

Man, you are really not gonna be happy when Angela starts fangirling over the prince in 4 chapters.

Oh no, that's nothing compared to my initial confusion and eventual realization about the tangled web of motivations surrounding one girls slash-fic and how the fate of the monarchy rests on her writing a sequel. That is a premise worth following and some pretty girl blushing like a maiden over a dark and brooding man is just par for the course.

Julias posted:

I mean, fanfiction has existed alongside humanity as long as we have been writing stories...
My point was that "fanfiction" as a term doesn't match the setting since the word is very much a recent construct. Doesn't have the same ring as "epic" or "ballad" does. Of course this is the same story that references Eminem in the title so...:shrug: I don't know. It just pets my peeve.

Brought To You By fucked around with this message at 14:12 on Jun 6, 2020

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




Brought To You By posted:

My point was that "fanfiction" as a term doesn't match the setting since the word is very much a recent construct. Doesn't have the same ring as "epic" or "ballad" does. Of course this is the same story that references Eminem in the title so...:shrug: I don't know. It just pets my peeve.

See, I was betting that you'd immediately catch that she's liberally throwing out the term 'fangirling' out as well as another confusing addition as well.

Brought To You By
Oct 31, 2012

RareAcumen posted:

See, I was betting that you'd immediately catch that she's liberally throwing out the term 'fangirling' out as well as another confusing addition as well.
The squealing fangirls with embroidered teddy bears and signs did not escape my notice either. But It's not logical or consistent, some things just stuck out to me more than others. Like how the author draws eyes. Everyone has such a piercing gaze from the raven haired siblings to people running stores, the author seems to have put eyeliner on most of the characters.
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Since the thread is active I do have some other recommendations
Kamuya Ride takes place during the Kofun era of ancient Japan. In a time when the power of the Gods have lessened and soon the era of man will fully be realized, Prince Osu son of the current emperor encounters a wandering artisan specializing in earthen wares on his way to suppress unrest in the region. However, what he finds is more than he and his forces can handle and it's up to a solitary warrior, a man dedicated to maintaining the border between the worlds of Men and Gods; kamen Kamuya Ride.



Minor factoid and I don't think it will go anywhere. But Prince Osu is about 300 years late for his adventures since the historical records I could find about him place him having lived between 70AD and 114AD later years of the Yayoi period and not the Kifun which started in 300AD. Probably the author mixing the legend of Yamamoto Takeru with the dominant style of burial mound from the Kofun era whose designs are identical to keyholes.

Upping the scale there is also Dodoma wherein two brothers find out that the country of Wanokuni in which they live in is more than meets the eyes.

The peace they enjoy is shattered the day two outsiders appear as shortly afterwards invaders arrive bringing with them the truth that Wanokuni is a massive titan and it has been otherwise inactive due to actions committed in the past that place everyone in danger.

Paracelsus
Apr 6, 2009

bless this post ~kya
The Aeneid was the first known commissioned fanfic, wherein all the Homeric heroes come in for a BIG party and talk about how great Augustus is.

Meme Emulator
Oct 4, 2000

Mors Rattus posted:

Arthuriana is basically layers of fanfic all the way down, it’s kinda great.

The Arthurian Canon has arthur saying action movie one liners when he kills a giant

he slewe a grete gyaunt named galapas / whiche was a man of an huge quantyte and heyghte he shorted hym and smote of bothe his legges by the knees / sayenge Now arte thow better of a syse to dele with / than thou were

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aw yeah smite them knees

then he gonna joust and brast his lance

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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Is the bible fanfiction

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




Argas posted:

Is the bible fanfiction

I'm sure it became fanfiction somewhere along the way with its many editions and translations.

For a long time, Dracula was fanfiction and no one realized.

PringleCreamEgg
Jul 2, 2004

Sleep, rest, do your best.
The Once and Future King is fanfiction and I just finished reading that for the first time. It's great, except for the last book is a lot of 'actually gaels and celts are savages who have revenge on their blood, even today they are disgusting people', and weird philosophizing. The other parts were fantastic though, especially The Ill-Made Knight.

nrook
Jun 25, 2009

Just let yourself become a worthless person!
I love the once and future king, it's one of my favorite novels. I'll have to keep an eye out for weird racism the next time I read it, though; I last picked it up 10 years ago.

I remember being shocked at how it ended, and then remembering, uh, duh, that's how the story ends.

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PringleCreamEgg posted:

The Once and Future King is fanfiction and I just finished reading that for the first time. It's great, except for the last book is a lot of 'actually gaels and celts are savages who have revenge on their blood, even today they are disgusting people', and weird philosophizing. The other parts were fantastic though, especially The Ill-Made Knight.

I think it’s a rule that every Arthur thing has to have some part that is just not fun to deal with. For example, Mists of Avalon is written by Marion Zimmer Bradley.

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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Fun: King Arthur is a cute woman
Not fun: Artoria is a bad dad

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




Argas posted:

Fun: King Arthur is a cute woman
Not fun: Artoria is a bad dad

Oh god, I understand so little of anything that happens in Fate/Stay Night/Grand Order/etc.

Fellis
Feb 14, 2012

Kid, don't threaten me. There are worse things than death, and uh, I can do all of them.
I know most things in this thread have just been filtering over to wholesome isekai because of similar power fantasy themes, but whatever

Is it odd that I became an adventurer even if I graduated from the witchcraft institute



William is a mage in a world where only dropouts and low skill mages become adventurers. However he wants to be an adventurer, despite graduating top in his class. And of course he meets a party of lovely ladies who need a fourth member



Is this the start of a heart-throbbing harem adventure with an overpowered protagonist??!?



No. In fact he is so overpowered that he initially erodes their self-esteem dangerously low. However they quickly learn that this nerd has his own weak points, especially not knowing any social interaction whatsoever.

Not to say there isn't any doki-doki! They come across his childhood friends and his companions show zero restraint in meddling in his love life. They absolutely show no desire towards him themselves, he is just too much of a weirdo.



All in all, this is a pretty nice comic where the side cast react convincingly towards the overpowered MC, and the MC's character flaws are not too annoying. I enjoy the antics of the cast and it was a fun read for someone who has read waaay too much lovely isekai lately. The art is also great, there are some great faces and reactions.

A jargogle
Feb 22, 2011
^Seconding the "it doesn't sound all that good in concept but it's really good in practice" review

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




Fellis posted:

I know most things in this thread have just been filtering over to wholesome isekai because of similar power fantasy themes, but whatever

Is it odd that I became an adventurer even if I graduated from the witchcraft institute



William is a mage in a world where only dropouts and low skill mages become adventurers. However he wants to be an adventurer, despite graduating top in his class. And of course he meets a party of lovely ladies who need a fourth member

Yeah, this is a very well done manga, the art style shifts going on remind me of Fullmetal Alchemist or something. One question about the latest arc though who is responsible for this 'orcs capture and breed elves' trope and how do I make them stop?

Tarezax
Sep 12, 2009

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RareAcumen posted:

Yeah, this is a very well done manga, the art style shifts going on remind me of Fullmetal Alchemist or something. One question about the latest arc though who is responsible for this 'orcs capture and breed elves' trope and how do I make them stop?

Porn. The answer is porn.

golden bubble
Jun 3, 2011

yospos

https://mangadex.org/title/43354/the-dragon-the-hero-and-the-courier

Still an entertaining manga.




Fellis
Feb 14, 2012

Kid, don't threaten me. There are worse things than death, and uh, I can do all of them.

RareAcumen posted:

Yeah, this is a very well done manga, the art style shifts going on remind me of Fullmetal Alchemist or something. One question about the latest arc though who is responsible for this 'orcs capture and breed elves' trope and how do I make them stop?

I considered putting some sort of warning for this content, but decided against it because while things are implied there (and in the ghost arc), they never show anything and it didn't feel lurid. Also it felt like one caveat too far for "hey this looks bad/tropey but it's actually really good".

To answer your question: if I knew I would find them. not only is it porn-y, it doesn't even make biological sense!!!

A jargogle posted:

^Seconding the "it doesn't sound all that good in concept but it's really good in practice" review

another example of how you can have a generic idea and make something great if you are a good storyteller and don't rely on showing stat screens and other crap to get your ideas across

Fellis fucked around with this message at 23:40 on Jul 14, 2020

Sharkopath
May 27, 2009

Its based way more on the classic tabletop rpgs with structured magic, and very specifically if I had to hazard a guess I'd say the author played some dnd in their time or at least is familiar with the ruleset for it. The entire idea of wizards being head and shoulders above other classes that cant use magic and able to do their job for them, jokes about interminable periods of magical buffing, different levels of wizard being able to fire more missiles just to name a few things.

So instead of being a game world based on a mechanical video game with stat screens and numbers its more naturalistic as a fantasy setting but in a world where magic runs on hard mechanical structures.

Sharkopath fucked around with this message at 00:08 on Jul 15, 2020

Sharkopath
May 27, 2009

Its also cool, read it if you aren't.

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




Fellis posted:

I considered putting some sort of warning for this content, but decided against it because while things are implied there (and in the ghost arc), they never show anything and it didn't feel lurid. Also it felt like one caveat too far for "hey this looks bad/tropey but it's actually really good".

To answer your question: if I knew I would find them. not only is it porn-y, it doesn't even make biological sense!!!

Tarezax posted:

Porn. The answer is porn.

Dammit, is the market for 'man and woman way out of his league' really this big or is this some 'one rich horny billionaire constantly demanding more and more of it' situation?

And ditto for goblins too!

Artificer
Apr 8, 2010

You're going to try ponies and you're. Going. To. LOVE. ME!!
I thought it was LotR.

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Mulva
Sep 13, 2011
It's about time for my once per decade ban for being a consistently terrible poster.
It's fantasy black men white woman porn.

That's it, I cracked it for you.

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