The computer cheats, Command and Conquer 3

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GDI or NOD? This poll is closed.
GDI	46	20.54%
Nod	57	25.45%
SUFFER!!!	121	54.02%
Total:	224 votes

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SugarAddict: Oct 11, 2012

Welcome to the Command and Conquer 3 LP, this game is poo poo and so am I.

Command and Conquer 3

What is this game
This is one of the games Westwood made before their corpse hit the ground after EA sucked Westwood's soul out it's rear end. It's also the 3rd game in the Tiberian series. The Tiberian Series is part of the Greater Command and Conquer series (some of it is good).
If you want information about the previous two games, you can find the links here. Which I suggest you check the games other people have done because they do a better job than what I'm about to do.

Command and conquer 3 is an RTS (Real Time Strategy). Command units to move around while building your base and army while collecting resources to accomplish mission objectives. Alot of people call the Command and Conquer series the best series of all time.

If you are poo poo why are you doing this?
Because no one else is doing it or plans to do so why the hell not.
Also :justpost:

because I've been holding off on doing this for a while.

What is up with the graphic for the game?
I bought this game off Origin and that's what I am using since I will be playing the regular version and eventually the expansion. Assuming I don't get banned for posting this.

Why are the ingame graphics so bad?
I am playing and recording this on a potato, so I will have the graphics turned down and sometimes record in chunks to avoid overheating my potato.

There are three sides to this game.

~~GDI (The Good guys)~~ USA (The Good Guys(tm))

~~Nod (The bad guys?) Arab terrorists (Evil cult)~~ The army of ~~Jesus~~ Kain.
_{PEACE THROUGH POWER!}

and the Scrin (~~The Zerg~~ Aliens who you will not see for most of the game)

RULES:
#1: Don't be a dick.
#2: Spoilers are GREEN. I do not give a poo poo.
#3: poo poo posting is OK as long as it has content. (see OP for an example of shitposting)

SugarAddict fucked around with this message at 10:48 on Nov 7, 2015

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# ? Sep 15, 2015 03:46

ZenVulgarity: Oct 9, 2012; I made the hat by transforming my zen

You should have played Eye of the Tiger over the guy's voice.

# ? Sep 15, 2015 04:45

Gridlocked: Aug 2, 2014; MR. STUPID MORON
WITH AN UGLY FACE
AND A BIG BUTT
AND HIS BUTT SMELLS
AND HE LIKES TO KISS
HIS OWN BUTT
by Roger Hargreaves

SugarAddict posted:

Nod (The bad guys?)

The good guys :colbert:

Kane maybe dickish but he isn't a monster. He is trying to help (himself mostly) but also humanity.

Also wow I don't remember the game looking that bad even on the most midrange computer of the time. Are you playing with everything on low or something?

Gridlocked fucked around with this message at 04:50 on Sep 15, 2015

# ? Sep 15, 2015 04:48

SugarAddict: Oct 11, 2012

Gridlocked posted:

The good guys

Kane maybe dickish but he isn't a monster. He is trying to help (himself mostly) but also humanity.

Also wow I don't remember the game looking that bad even on the most midrange computer of the time. Are you playing with everything on low or something?

yes. I'm playing on a four year old laptop. The one and only desktop has 512 MB of ram and died a week ago. My laptop can get pretty hot and these missions tend to be quite a grind. I don't want to melt the one and only working computer in the household.

ZenVulgarity posted:

You should have played Eye of the Tiger over the guy's voice.

I'm wondering if I should cut out boring sections or just put music over the audio of boring sections of the video. I tried playing though this game on normal and got my butt handed to me by a horribly cheating AI. So I put it to easy and STILL got my butt handed to me.

The only things the difficulty changes in most of the game is
1. how long it takes you to slog though it.
2. the enemies HP and their attack damage.

The AI also likes to try to prioritize doing the most possible damage. I've restarted so many games because the AI sniped my engineers with air units or overwhelm my defenses with their clowncar factories WHICH YOU WILL SEE!!!

SugarAddict fucked around with this message at 05:08 on Sep 15, 2015

# ? Sep 15, 2015 04:58

Buried alive: Jun 8, 2009

^^^ I don't know how far along you are, but that behavior apparently leads to a workable strategy of building X to get the AI building Y, which counters X, then you change gears and build the counter to Y.

I thought 3 was..okay. I didn't like that Tiberium was changed from a plant to a something-something-quantum-something crystal, but I eventually got over it.

4, on the other hand..ew. Just, ew.

# ? Sep 15, 2015 05:40

SugarAddict: Oct 11, 2012

Buried alive posted:

^^^ I don't know how far along you are, but that behavior apparently leads to a workable strategy of building X to get the AI building Y, which counters X, then you change gears and build the counter to Y.

I thought 3 was..okay. I didn't like that Tiberium was changed from a plant to a something-something-quantum-something crystal, but I eventually got over it.

4, on the other hand..ew. Just, ew.

During my practice run I managed to beat the Nod campaign by cheesing. During the GDI campaign I found a brick wall where the computer will completely overwhelm you with basically a ball of vehicles the size of the screen which I think you are supposed to counter with an ion cannon.

As for the "x to to y to x" for GDI I defend with a very very large defense of infantry in foxholes until I get enough zone troopers to slowly mow though the tide of units. For Nod I defend with some powered up obelisks until I get an utter fuckton of laser helicopters.

Nod has better defenses, air units, vehicles, and infantry.

The only thing GDI has is the sniper and very long range artillery that takes a long time to aim and kill something. They removed the healing abilities of the Mammoth Tank,

:argh:

AND THEY STILL HAVEN'T INCLUDED AN AUTO-REPAIR STRUCTURES BUTTON! :argh:

HOW MANY GAMES HAVE YOU MADE AND YOU STILL HAVEN'T BOTHERED TO INCLUDE ONE YET!!!

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Gridlocked posted:

Also C&C 3 was fun and calling it poo poo is stupid It's no RA2 but it's still pretty enjoyable, especially with Wrath of Kane.

It's just that during a few missions their factories make units as fast as the animation allows it to, and the AI gets ALOT of reinforcements, which means you can't really attack unless you have a big enough death ball to counter the defenses and to deal with their constant reinforcements.

Also I am open to improving my strategy so if you see me doing poo poo and you say "that strategy is poo poo! you should be doing this and that and this instead of poo poo" I will record a video of me doing just that and put it here.

SugarAddict fucked around with this message at 06:11 on Sep 15, 2015

# ? Sep 15, 2015 06:01

Gridlocked: Aug 2, 2014; MR. STUPID MORON
WITH AN UGLY FACE
AND A BIG BUTT
AND HIS BUTT SMELLS
AND HE LIKES TO KISS
HIS OWN BUTT
by Roger Hargreaves

Also C&C 3 was fun and calling it poo poo is stupid :colbert:

It's no RA2 but it's still pretty enjoyable, especially with Wrath of Kane.

# ? Sep 15, 2015 06:07

anilEhilated: Feb 17, 2014; But I say fuck the rain.; Grimey Drawer

It's definitely an improvement over Generals, it's just that it has many, many stupid decisions that EA just copied from what was "in" at the time without thinking about it: squad infantry system, a metric fuckton of player special abilities, gimmicks for gimmicks' sake as opposed to usefulness (see: Nod commando, loving stealth faction has a worse one than GDI). On the other hand, it's a CnC game with a long, nice campaign, that's always good.

# ? Sep 15, 2015 08:32

SugarAddict: Oct 11, 2012

anilEhilated posted:

It's definitely an improvement over Generals, it's just that it has many, many stupid decisions that EA just copied from what was "in" at the time without thinking about it: squad infantry system, a metric fuckton of player special abilities, gimmicks for gimmicks' sake as opposed to usefulness (see: Nod commando, loving stealth faction has a worse one than GDI). On the other hand, it's a CnC game with a long, nice campaign, that's always good.

I'll get to generals eventually. The game was pratically built on the ruins of the world trade center.

# ? Sep 15, 2015 08:49

Aces High: Mar 26, 2010; Nah! A little chocolate will do

god drat the graphics in this game, why did they go away from the cartoony style that they had going with Red Alert 2?

I take that back, RA2 is separate from the Tiberium universe. Why did they move away from the style they had going in Tiberian Sun/Firestorm? Sure it doesn't look that great now but at least the unit and building models looked ok.

Just sooooo loving ugly

# ? Sep 15, 2015 20:24

SugarAddict: Oct 11, 2012

For the few people actually reading the thread and voted "SUFFER", your vote came through and my hard drive died. It's gonna be 3 to 5 days before I get my laptop back so don't expect an update for the next 6 days. Also phone posting sucks.

After I get my laptop back I will start on the nod campaign.

# ? Sep 16, 2015 03:03

A Pleasant Hug: Dec 30, 2007; ...It's the thought that counts, right?

When I voted "SUFFER", that wasn't a vote for LP curse.

# ? Sep 16, 2015 03:30

Wales Grey: Jun 20, 2012

Aces High posted:

god drat the graphics in this game, why did they go away from the cartoony style that they had going with Red Alert 2?

I take that back, RA2 is separate from the Tiberium universe. Why did they move away from the style they had going in Tiberian Sun/Firestorm? Sure it doesn't look that great now but at least the unit and building models looked ok.

Just sooooo loving ugly

The graphics in this game are perfectly fine when you aren't playing it on an overheating potato, even if they are a bit bloomy at times and suffer from a bit of gold-on-tan in many maps. I liked Tiberian Sun as much as the next person in the room, but its visual aesthetic probably wouldn't have survived the jump to 3D and I can't say I'm super displeased that they moved away from the overwrought 90's scifi aesthetic for something a bit more modern. Even if they did wind up jettisoning the lovably grody vibe of that game.

# ? Sep 16, 2015 13:17

anilEhilated: Feb 17, 2014; But I say fuck the rain.; Grimey Drawer

I'll forever mourn the loss of Banshees. Best-looking aircraft in any RTS game ever.

# ? Sep 16, 2015 14:48

Neruz: Jul 23, 2012; A paragon of manliness

I actually quite like CNC3, now CNC4 on the other hand :barf:

# ? Sep 17, 2015 10:22

Condoleezza Nice!: Jan 4, 2010; Lite som Robin Hood
fast inte

Neruz posted:

I actually quite like CNC3, now CNC4 on the other hand

What do you mean? There was no game in the tiberium series released after Kane's Wrath. It's such a shame. That would have been great.

# ? Sep 17, 2015 15:11

SIGSEGV: Nov 4, 2010

So what exactly was wrong with it (outside of "everything")? Because it sounds like it wasn't that popular, if it ever existed, of course.

# ? Sep 17, 2015 15:36

anilEhilated: Feb 17, 2014; But I say fuck the rain.; Grimey Drawer

There is no CnC4. If it existed, it'd probably be a lovely, imbalanced mess that requires you to be online 100% of the time and unlock units as you play using a lovely EA service without even having the option to play on your own. EA would probably decide to further the abuse heaped on the series by godawful DRM by turning it from one of their most beloved (acquired) franchises to lab rat for market-researched mechanics that no one actually bothered testing in practice.

# ? Sep 17, 2015 18:28

Condoleezza Nice!: Jan 4, 2010; Lite som Robin Hood
fast inte

Exactly. But enough about a game that does not exist in any way, shape or form. Comprende?

# ? Sep 17, 2015 19:51

SIGSEGV: Nov 4, 2010

That would indeed be a horrible fate I wouldn't wish on anything.

# ? Sep 17, 2015 19:51

Wales Grey: Jun 20, 2012

The only redeeming value of a purely theoretical Command & Conquer 4 would be a profusion of neato powered armor and a unit clearly modeled on the M1128 Mobile Gun System. They'd also likely try to do some interesting things to encourage more mobile, active gameplay that would inevitably fall short because they'd probably split up the side's units into three arbitrary groups and force Rock-Paper-Scissors hard counters into the gameplay.

# ? Sep 17, 2015 20:07

Buried alive: Jun 8, 2009

I always thought of nothing as taking those one or two obnoxious levels in an RTS game where you're given a handful of units to do everything with and deciding to make an entire game around that premise. Also adding in lives, because why not?

# ? Sep 18, 2015 02:57

anilEhilated: Feb 17, 2014; But I say fuck the rain.; Grimey Drawer

Only game I ever seen that made that work was Dawn of War 2, and that's mostly because it's more of an Diablo-style action thingy than strategy.

# ? Sep 18, 2015 12:30

Poil: Mar 17, 2007

Buried alive posted:

I always thought of nothing as taking those one or two obnoxious levels in an RTS game where you're given a handful of units to do everything with and deciding to make an entire game around that premise. Also adding in lives, because why not?

That sounds horrible. But there is one thing that can actually be worse, the obnoxious RTS levels where you're given a lot of units you can't replace and you need to keep most of them alive to beat the mission but there are far too many to control effectively and the UI and pathfinding can't really handle it.

# ? Sep 18, 2015 13:26

Pierzak: Oct 30, 2010

Seiren posted:

When I voted "SUFFER", that wasn't a vote for LP curse.

I thought it was a vote for doing all the factions. Oops? :ohdear:

Neruz posted:

I actually quite like CNC3, now CNC4 on the other hand

Now that's a game I'd love to see LPed. Mainly because I took one look at the gameplay and said gently caress it.

# ? Sep 18, 2015 17:07

SugarAddict: Oct 11, 2012

Pierzak posted:

I thought it was a vote for doing all the factions. Oops?

Now that's a game I'd love to see LPed. Mainly because I took one look at the gameplay and said gently caress it.

I'm not scheduled to get my laptop back until Wednesday (Best Buy likes to take their time and overcharge for everything) and it will take me at least a day to download and set everything up.

I might do C&C4 depending if I can't find something that I don't have to shell out money to record RA2 and the other old games.

Also C&C4 is like 10 gigs and C&C3 is 5 gigs if I remember correctly, so if I disappear all together it means my ISP had me assassinated or something.

For C&C3 there's two campaigns, one for GDI, and one for NOD but I haven't touched the expansion yet.

# ? Sep 18, 2015 17:16

anilEhilated: Feb 17, 2014; But I say fuck the rain.; Grimey Drawer

SugarAddict posted:

For C&C3 there's two campaigns, one for GDI, and one for NOD but I haven't touched the expansion yet.

The expansion has one fairly short campaign - I think it has like 6 missions? Also there's the Scrin.

# ? Sep 18, 2015 19:12

SugarAddict: Oct 11, 2012

The repair people tell me it's going to be at least another two days before I get my laptop back, they say it's because of the amount of cat pictures I have.

# ? Sep 20, 2015 22:17

ArchWizard: Mar 27, 2009; There's the Roy I know ~~and love~~.

SugarAddict posted:

The repair people tell me it's going to be at least another two days before I get my laptop back, they say it's because of the amount of Kane pictures I have.

# ? Sep 20, 2015 22:49

SugarAddict: Oct 11, 2012

ArchWizard posted:

Kane.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDSKZC22Qs4

SugarAddict fucked around with this message at 05:21 on Sep 21, 2015

# ? Sep 21, 2015 05:11

SugarAddict: Oct 11, 2012

Welp, it's going to be at least another week.

Turns out there was NOTHING WRONG WITH MY HARD DRIVE OR ANYTHING ON IT!
Turns out ASUS laptops have a hardware flaw on the motherboard that causes it to work slowly regarding attached devices or fail to detect attached devices, such as the CD-ROM, the microphone, the camera, AND THE HARD DRIVE.

Don't buy ASUS folks :negative:

# ? Sep 21, 2015 22:35

SIGSEGV: Nov 4, 2010

SugarAddict posted:

Welp, it's going to be at least another week.

Turns out there was NOTHING WRONG WITH MY HARD DRIVE OR ANYTHING ON IT!
Turns out ASUS laptops have a hardware flaw on the motherboard that causes it to work slowly regarding attached devices or fail to detect attached devices, such as the CD-ROM, the microphone, the camera, AND THE HARD DRIVE.

Don't buy ASUS folks .

That's an interesting flaw to say the least.

# ? Sep 21, 2015 22:39

SugarAddict: Oct 11, 2012

Closing this thread until I get a working computer because my LP computer broke after 3 years.
TL;DR: ASUS can go gently caress itself, Best Buy can go gently caress itself.

# ? Sep 22, 2015 00:30

SugarAddict: Oct 11, 2012

10 gigs and I re-downloaded spyware onto my computer (origin) for you guys.

SugarAddict fucked around with this message at 03:04 on Nov 5, 2015

# ? Nov 5, 2015 02:58

Colander Crotch: Nov 24, 2005; I- I don't even know what you just called me!

Looking forward to it. This game is just too crappy to play again, but I want to experience it.

# ? Nov 5, 2015 04:35

SugarAddict: Oct 11, 2012

I just finished recording the first mission for me to forget to run OBS as admin so my video was lost. Will try again.
Second attempt resulted in not being recorded again. Tired now, try again tomorrow.

SugarAddict fucked around with this message at 07:03 on Nov 5, 2015

# ? Nov 5, 2015 06:43

SovietPotatoe: May 14, 2011; Master of the Duncspawn Taint

SugarAddict posted:

There are three sides to this game.

~~GDI (The Good guys)~~ USA (The Good Guys(tm))

~~Nod (The bad guys?)~~ Arab terrorists (Evil cult)

FTFY

I really hated how they turned the factions into some kind of pseudo-Generals stuff. The GDI is the US in all but name (they even changed their color to blue in all the cutscenes for no reason other than 'Murica), Nod goes from quasi-Fascist paramilitary turned global superpower to guys wearing hoodies and garbage bags (where'd the fancy armor from Tiberian Sun go? GDI still has them, so why not Nod?) and suicide bombers.

And don't even get me started on the ridiculous art design. The colors are so bright and the forms are so silly, it looks like a toy line. I mean, look at the Scorpion tank, it has three treads! Why does it need a third tread? It doesn't even carry any load, all it does is waste fuel and decrease maneuverability by making the tank pull a pointless piece of junk for no reason at all :psyduck:

This is the game that made me say "C&C is officially dead, its been nice knowing it" and considering the hypothetical future installments that never got made I'm glad I made that decision. The whole thing just felt like EA's marketing department handed someone who had no idea about C&C a sheet with some bulletin points like "GDI are the good guys" and "Nod is bad and also kind of religious", then told them to also make it more US vs insurgents/modern warfare because that's all the rage these days and also make it esports and cartoony like Warcraft 3 because they want to corner that market too. Considering how EA operates and that IIRC most former Westwood guys jumped ship after Generals to form Petroglyph that's probably what happened.

gently caress this game.

PS Do they still use the silly AI from Generals, which is basically just "spawn X amount of units, then send them along this predefined path into the designated base area" or did they actually change it?

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SugarAddict: Oct 11, 2012

SovietPotatoe posted:

PS Do they still use the silly AI from Generals, which is basically just "spawn X amount of units, then send them along this predefined path into the designated base area" or did they actually change it?

For the most part yes, especially the "spawn x times whatever amount of unit's you have". Later on I will just change the difficulty to easy mode because gently caress that poo poo in later missions the enemy literally spawns vehicles from it's factories as fast as the animation allows, this turns alot of missions into a literal reenactment of "the 300" because of the sheer amount of free units the computer gets.

For some parts no, because the enemy will go out of their way to do the most damage possible, I've had my mission critical engineers repeatedly get sniped by Anti-infantry air units before, on top of that, GDI gets the equivalent of a mobile repair bay and if you plop that behind your vehicles they will prioritize killing the repair bay.

ALSO FOR FUCKS SAKE YOU LAZY loving rear end in a top hat EA NEVER INCLUDED AN AUTO-REPAIR BUTTON FOR BUILDINGS!

For nod I intend to cheese the living gently caress out of missions with the only way I know how Air units, unfortunately there is no such option for GDI.

Edit: Generals is literally 9/11 bleh stuff, and we will get to that eventually.

Edit2: OBS was trying to save video's to the wrong windows account.

Edit3: Recording done, video editing and commentary just need to be done.

SugarAddict fucked around with this message at 20:41 on Nov 5, 2015

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