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| Goku |
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202 | 7.09% |
| Vegeta |
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279 | 9.79% |
| Krillin |
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208 | 7.30% |
| Piccolo or his nameks |
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212 | 7.44% |
| Gohan or Cool Gohan |
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135 | 4.74% |
| Yamcha |
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90 | 3.16% |
| Tien |
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120 | 4.21% |
| Muten Roshi |
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89 | 3.12% |
| Tao Pai Pai |
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71 | 2.49% |
| Frieza |
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69 | 2.42% |
| Cell or an android |
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86 | 3.02% |
| Buu |
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62 | 2.18% |
| Hercule "Mark" Satan |
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327 | 11.48% |
| Videl |
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90 | 3.16% |
| Bulma |
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104 | 3.65% |
| Yajirobe |
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99 | 3.47% |
| Ginyu or other Frieza squad guy |
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68 | 2.39% |
| King kai or another kai |
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53 | 1.86% |
| Chi-Chi |
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83 | 2.91% |
| Goten |
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43 | 1.51% |
| Trunks or Cool Trunks |
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112 | 3.93% |
| Bardock |
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48 | 1.68% |
| Other villain of DB,Z, or GT(please post about it!) |
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41 | 1.44% |
| Uub |
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42 | 1.47% |
| Oolong |
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90 | 3.16% |
| Zamasu |
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26 | 0.91% |
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Baal posted:The new Abridged Series episode was pretty flat for the most part too I laughed at Cell's talking crotch and Goku's recount of the Frieza saga, but it's leaning a bit too far towards a straight adaptation for my tastes. The fight-heavy format doesn't really help, given DBZA has traditionally been really good at working with supporting characters, but it really should be aiming to be more than DBZ with more snarky one liners
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Sep 15, 2015 14:51
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Farecoal posted:Goku has a good point why didn't Gohan turn super saiyan?? Because he was about 8 and the transformation hadn't been completely run into the ground yet
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Sep 15, 2015 16:01
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Kild posted:Goten had no issue A Steampunk Gent posted:Because he was about 8 and the transformation hadn't been completely run into the ground yet
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Sep 15, 2015 16:07
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Namtab posted:Fusion isn't sexual you sadbrain It's not sexual itself but Chi Chi being his wife-mother would still pretty weird
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Oct 11, 2015 21:01
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ImpAtom posted:Nah, they're doing a tournament so there's a good chance at least one dude is gonna get some kind of punchhard power, if just so he can job and Goku/Vegeta can show off their even-stronger powerup by beating the guy who beat him. If he's lucky he might even get to tie the laces of one of his shoes before he's outclassed by the other Josuke Higashikata posted:The final Super Saiyan form better just be his hair shifting through all the colours of the rainbow constantly. Do it Kill la Kill Ragyo style and have it be all the colours at once 
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Oct 28, 2015 23:25
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Josuke Higashikata posted:That was good. Huh that's exactly what I thought as well. Shame he went into Broly mode and lost all traces of his personality Echoing everyone else, it's impressive how they made Goku being punched in the dick, an act which is intrinsically funny, even funnier. rip Goten e: Probably a lame brit joke no one else would get, but it's funny how The Doctor's theme plays for Trunks as he draws his sword and then gets immediately trashed. No weapons indeed No Dignity fucked around with this message at 01:02 on Nov 1, 2015 |
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Nov 1, 2015 00:59
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There literally has never been a good fan film and there never will be
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Nov 11, 2015 23:02
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I stand corrected
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Nov 11, 2015 23:30
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I read one of these power level maths discussions about JJBA once, it concluded that Star Platinum and The World punched at several times the speed of light with the force of several gigaton nuclear bombs, the author didn't seem to realise how stupid that was and how that self-evidently wasn't the case as each MUDA didn't level Northern Africa I feel it's much the same attaching meaning to the numbers given out in the Frieza Saga, it's an action show and the protagonist is always going to rise to the level the story needs them to and the visual and narrative portrayal of events is far more important than whatever throwaway exposition is used to quantify their punching power
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Nov 17, 2015 22:41
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Agoat posted:Somebody took Battle of Gods and put the Bruce Falconer music on it. Some parts are really on point! Haha, Rock the Dragon comes in when Goku goes Super Saiyan at the end of the Beerus fight. This is a work of art
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Nov 19, 2015 10:30
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visceril posted:It's this. We joke about Toriyama forgetting piccolo can do things, but it's because he makes up techniques on the fly that are uniquely suited to specific situations. On the other hand, the only person Piccolo ever managed to decisively beat was Goku and that was because he let him. Hellzone Grenande didn't work, his fusions were each made redundant after a few episodes, whereas Kamehameha has the highest kill-count of anything in the series. Being smart sucks in Dragonball
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Nov 19, 2015 13:47
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Darth TNT posted:Are all those attack names official? Did someone actually sit down and think up names for each and every attack someone has ever done? If you go on the Dragonball wiki every attack anyone ever used no matter minoror incidental was it's own name and in-depth description, it's nuts. Hellzone Grenade was a really distinct and clever finisher though, so it earnt the right to have a proper official name
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Nov 19, 2015 14:31
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Agoat posted:Somebody took Battle of Gods and put the Bruce Falconer music on it. Some parts are really on point! Probably goes without saying but if anyone wants to watch this I'd do it soon, there's no way this isn't going to get taken down ASAP No Dignity fucked around with this message at 16:13 on Nov 19, 2015 |
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Nov 19, 2015 15:51
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A Steampunk Gent posted:Probably goes without saying but if anyone wants to watch this I'd do it soon, there's no way this isn't going to get taken down ASAP Huh, I take this back. On closer inspection this video has been up since July Go figure
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Nov 19, 2015 19:14
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Ammat The Ankh posted:Piccolo actually killed the main character of the show, something Freeza, Vegeta, and Beerus never did. It really doesn't count when Goku's standing right there shouting DO IT
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Nov 19, 2015 21:45
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Baal posted:All of that was good in the first half then Gohan had to go super saiyan to beat a Zarbon level enemy and it just went down from there I really don't know why they had to go out the way to say he's 'as strong as Zarbon' when Piccolo went toe-to-toe with second form Frieza years ago, I don't really care about power level maths but that was insanely stupid
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Nov 23, 2015 15:43
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I think it's just terrible someone would post an opinion in the discussion thread
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Nov 23, 2015 21:31
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I think it's better that Gohan gets jobbed on account of being retired for the best part of a decade than getting a free power boost from unlocking his 'potential' for the millionth time, it was really rubbish and unearned in the Buu Saga and there's no indictation he's picked the training back up since then
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Nov 29, 2015 17:36
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On the other hand, Pan will probably grow up with a father
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Nov 29, 2015 21:56
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Baal posted:I mean Gohan did too, soooooo Goku died twice and spent most of the time inbetween in intensive care. The only time in the series they're ever together for any period of time is the Cell games
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Nov 29, 2015 22:00
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Baal posted:Okay so that just negates the four years Goku was there and that Goku at most was gone for like a year and then was there for him p much all Cell Saga and even for that year or two of training before the androids would show up and the year in the Time Chamber? This is ignoring Piccolo is also a father figure to him. I think you're taking this a bit literally. I was just pointing out the main fighters do often die in DBZ and it seems Toriyama deliberately wrote Gohan as getting out of the game to go home and be a family man, which I kinda like
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Nov 29, 2015 22:05
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Kild posted:Gohan died. He got absorbed by Buu, which isn't really the same and got resolved inside the same arc
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Nov 29, 2015 22:16
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Baal posted:Kid Buu blew up the earth with him on it Wasn't he on the Kai planet like five minutes later anyway? Ironic I guess, the one incident where Goku and Vegeta were the only survivors
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Nov 29, 2015 22:22
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I meant the other one, looked it up and turns out every was dead then though. In any case being a hero is still very risky business and I don't think it's terrible writing that Gohan more or less walks away from it
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Nov 29, 2015 22:32
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Considering no one has ever won a battle in either form there's not alot of practical data to draw from 
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Dec 8, 2015 13:20
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pik_d posted:Are you not counting movies? I was counting everything Toriyama was involved in, from what I've seen of the other films very few of them stick to his style of visual storytelling (Fusion Reborn being the somewhat honourable exception) and most of them read like fanfic written by teenage boys
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Dec 8, 2015 18:51
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Okay I checked out the latest episode of Super and I take everything I said about Gohan's retirement, get to the frickin gym mate, you have a better account of yourself against Frieza when you were six 
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Dec 9, 2015 13:32
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Pureauthor posted:Weeeeelllll he kinda burned his hand blocking it. I really like this scene because both parties were horrified for completely opposite reasons, Goku was obviously freaked out his heroic second wind counterattack didn't harm Frieza at all but Frieza was nearly as appalled that he was in full tryhard mode and an attack still hurt him; it was a clever way of showing how hideously outmatched Goku was without making him an impotent chump, Vegeta style Blockhouse posted:here's my usual reminder that broly's creator is in a weird cult about sharing energy through touching and the entire climax of the first broly movie is basically thinly veiled propaganda for it lol
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Dec 10, 2015 18:48
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I respect Toriyama for first and foremost trying to tell an exciting martial arts story with characters gaining strength in ways which make for good drama even if it ignores previously established plot points rather than having them powergame their training with stuff like constant Zenkais or spending their whole life in the Hyperbolic time chamber. He recognises plot devices should be in service of a good story rather than the other way round
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Dec 14, 2015 16:00
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Baal posted:Let me tell you how well told I felt the story was told when Freeza pulled a 100% mode out of his butt or when Cell explains how he came back from self-destructing and that not only used a zenkai to push him back into Perfect Form but also give his perfect form a super saiyan boost. This is ignoring his core cell apparently wasn't blown out of his skull when Goku vaporized his entire upper half. Uh, yes they were both good stories? Frieza's 100% form let him stay around long enough for Super Saiyan Goku to have an actual fight before he was finally defeated and Cell's Zenkai boost put the ball back in his court for the final high stakes beam struggle. The 'protagonist nearly beats the antagonist, but has victory snatched from them by an 11th hour powerup for a seemingly hopeless final bout' is the one of the most well-worn shounen storytelling tropes around, it's even practically identical to how the iconic Jotaro-Dio fight plays out in JJBA, or was Dio's max power form 'wasted' by his soul exploding five minutes later? Kild posted:I think it's cool to have established rules in your world that are used and abused by the characters and Author in interesting ways like in HxH. It's a different way of doing things but it's never really appealed to me. In any case, it's interesting how the founders of the genre were alot more happy to play loosely with the rules of their worlds whereas modern series tend to have more hard-and-fast fleshed out power systems, I wonder if it's in part a reaction of younger mangakas to the percieved shortcomings of fighting in the older, iconic series like Dragonball? No Dignity fucked around with this message at 17:18 on Dec 14, 2015 |
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Dec 14, 2015 17:04
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Covok posted:Honestly, I think a lot of it comes down to the fact that, to my knowledge, a lot of the people who wrote things like Dragonball weren't nerds. Or, at least, weren't fans of these kinds of comics growing up. IIRC, Toriyama worked in marketing before doing a very successful comedy series called Dr. Slump. Afterwards, he decided to try his hands at what was supposed to be an 8 issue adventure series. Compare that to Oda who was a big fan of Dragonball growing up and wanted to make a big series like it. Yeah, this is what I was trying to (politely) get at. Even if series like HunterXHunter do use internally consistent universes well, it seems like you're kinda missing the point of Dragonball if you're mad Goku didn't spend all day having Gohan kicking him in the dick until his power level was 9x10[1000000], that's never the tone the story went for No Dignity fucked around with this message at 18:16 on Dec 14, 2015 |
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Dec 14, 2015 18:09
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Baal posted:That's not even a little comparable. There is still a fight that happens after the power up and everything about the conclusion makes loving sense from a character and pacing perspective with the exception of the random bouts of flying. It is a well constructed fight that does not just have things happen for no reason and it is cool. Cell popping the gently caress up, negating everything that made that character even a little bit unique and then having a beam duel with Gohan is so loving boring. It's not even comparable to literally every other DBZ villain who doesn't have to do that at the end of their fights and all of those fights end in cool ways or with fun fights, at least. Cell's central gimmick is having other peoples bullshit abilities and the climax is him abusing the poo poo out of his regeneration abilities alongside the Saiyans' Zenkai ability to reach peak cheesy powergame character form, it's not my favourite fight and I'd agree it doesn't hold a candle to Jotaro vs Dio but it's set up perfectly well by prior events and is a fitting conclusion to a villain who spends the entire arc grinding out humans for exp and boasting about his unbeatable mutli-class build. The only thing which is really an asspull is pinching Instant Transmission but all that really achieves is bringing Cell back to the arena, otherwise there's nothing which isn't set up by Cell's ridiculous swiss-army powerset and him being high on power Also Namtab posted:I liked cell popping back up, btw, because it allowed Gohan's character arc to finish.
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Dec 14, 2015 19:33
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I'm looking forward to reading the Dragonball manga when I've finished my current backlog of books, experiencing the epic story of Goku and his friends without the glacial pacing and painful filler of the anime sounds like a real blast!
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Dec 15, 2015 01:48
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Blockhouse posted:
Featherweight Frieza, Smug Catbear, Piccolo, Child Sociopath Gohan and Zen Death Robot make quite a team huh?
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Dec 15, 2015 15:43
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I love how some little red guy no one's ever heard of gets priority over every single one of the human Z-Fighters. It's pretty nice Piccolo is actually getting decent billing again though, the power curve has been cruel to him in the past ...
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Dec 15, 2015 18:03
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Namtab posted:I don't think we've ever had canon defined wrt buu's penis Buu's penis is in the same place as Bender's
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Dec 17, 2015 23:23
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Aurora posted:All those people on those planets that blew up are fine, I'm sure It's okay, I can see their parachutes!
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Dec 21, 2015 20:11
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sharktamer posted:The whole "Toriyama likes to subvert by having the arc villain look small and unassuming" thing kinda loses credence when Frieza ends up going super swole at the end anyway. Not really. It's a recurring theme that when someone bulks up like that they're about to get immensely owned (see also: power weighted Cell, Ultra SSJ Trunks, SSJ3 Goku); it's a desperate last ditch effort to win by literally puffing themselves up and in Frieza's (and SSJ3 Goku's) case the fights end when it turns out they were burning through their reserves at unsustainable rates to keep it up. The 'slim and understated' rule actually holds pretty well when you look at characters at their peak in the narrative; Saiyan Saga Vegeta, Final Form Frieza, Super Perfect Cell, Kid Buu, there's a pretty consistent pattern It's also why Broly's such a comically stupid character, he literally turned DBZ villain hubris into his superpower
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Dec 23, 2015 15:35
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Baal posted:Then why is it that when Vegeta went ape he nearly killed the main character and was pretty much unstoppable until someone did something about his tail? That was also the last time the ability was ever seen, considering all everything past follows a broadly similar pattern I'd suggest Toriyama's ideas on how to visualise 'power' changed
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Dec 23, 2015 15:50
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Baal posted:Also Freeza would've gotten owned regardless of him going buff or not, if anything he put up a better fight against Goku by going buff and Super Buu was legitimately the most powerful and threatening villain the series has had until RoF rolled around. The only person who got wrecked hard after going big was Cell and he was already fighting a losing battle at that point. With Frieza I agree, that's why I said it was a desperate last ditch attempt to stay in the game and why it ended up with him burning himself out. Super Buu is an interesting one as his design communicates his personality and mental state moreso than his raw power. We see him change vastly as he absorbs and jettisons different people and his final, original form is the most dangerous not because of raw power but because he's lost any shred of humanity and reverted to a primordial avatar of destruction And as I said, similar visual rules end up applying for the protagonists too, notably with USSJ Trunks and SSJ3 Goku's goofy tryhard forms; Cell flat out says to Trunks he hosed himself by going for muscle mass at the expense of agility and Goku burns through the rest of his day on Earth half hour after he goes SSJ3 Finally, the same visual themes continue into the new Toriyama-overseen BoG era, SSG Goku actively loses muscle mass when he gains the form and Beerus and Whis, the two most powerful beings in the universe have none to speak of. Again, I'd say it's a pretty consistent pattern
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Dec 23, 2015 16:04
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