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Jerusalem posted:I loved the sections where Davros is talking about the Daleks as his "children", as well as admitting that he has zero control over them and glorying to the fact that they're holding out on exterminating Clara till she runs. I like the idea that at the end of his life and resigned to his fate (which I don't believe for a second) he's willing to just sit back and enjoy the fruits of his labor, and enjoy the fact his "kids" are doing so well. I think it was you or someone else mentioned in the previous thread that Daleks used to say a whole bunch of things repeatedly and excitedly, not just "Exterminate". That's why the scene with the eye-stalk guy was kinda redeemed for me because they were all going "Secure the TARDIS! SECURE THE TARDIIIIS!" Wheat Loaf posted:I quite enjoyed that Davros's presence was fairly understated. He's just there and as far as I can recall there wasn't a huge amount of hype for it ahead of time. I don't think I would have liked it as much if there'd been all sorts of dramatic posing and shape-throwing and wild-eyed teeth-clenching and what-have-you. Yeah also this. He's just sort of "well I'm old but I'm still able to hurt you, now go ahead and die before tea time". computer parts fucked around with this message at 14:21 on Sep 20, 2015 |
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:There's a whole bunch of minutiae mentioned in passing (like the three different versions of Atlantis) but none of that was necessary to understand the story. The worst part might be the Sisterhood that the snake guy goes second but all you need to infer from that is "they're hiding the Doctor".
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Sep 20, 2015 14:43
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Attitude Indicator posted:the point isn't "I don't understand this references," the point is "why is this loaded with old poo poo." Every single moment of the episode relies on "oh poo poo, it's that thing again!" This complaint is funny because for the past few years the complaint has been "why is Moffat referencing stuff we never saw in previous episodes and expecting us to take it at face value?" It sounds like you just don't like referencing things that happen off screen, whether they happened in a previous episode or not.
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Sep 20, 2015 15:04
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MrL_JaKiri posted:No it hasn't Yeah it has. Like during Time of the Doctor people were bitching about the random Space Church that came out of nowhere.
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Sep 20, 2015 15:09
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MikeJF posted:The bitching about that was because the doctor's long relationship with the Space Church and Mother Superior was a key part of the payoff and explanation of the Doctor's arc up to there. Payoffs shouldn't involve elements out of nowhere. This is a fairly basic fact of narrative. Another example is the Moffat trio, who made people "confused" because it felt like they missed an episode introducing them. Attitude Indicator posted:i don't like the lack of originality. like I said, every single element in this story is old and used. hey it's davros. hey it's the master. hey it's karn. it's skaro. it's the shadow proclamatinon. it's unit. it's atlantis. it's tom baker. mccoy. old daleks. human daleks. the doctor's going to die again. The Ood in the background of the cantina scene is much more "old and used" than a one liner about Atlantis. computer parts fucked around with this message at 15:22 on Sep 20, 2015 |
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Sep 20, 2015 15:20
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Classtoise posted:It was pretty blah with just Clara, and then Missy showed up. Definitely felt like they didn't need all the time of a two-parter. But who knows, maybe next week would never have been compressed into one episode and the alternative was more "why not just have a two-parter" mess like last two seasons. Initially I thought the snake dude looking for the Doctor was just a setup for the overarching plot and then this episode would be about the planes since I thought Davros was supposed to show up later in the season. I'm happy to be wrong though.
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Sep 21, 2015 01:59
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Astroman posted:Plus did he really "make" Davros, or did he change history? So either Davros became an rear end in a top hat for some other reason, or like the Master and the Drums (theconstantsoundofdrumscan'tyouHEARthem) he "always" had an old sonic screwdriver stashed in his wheelchair and had once seen the TARDIS but totally forgot until today. The implication from the beginning of the episode is that the Doctor left Davros and he became an entity of hate because of that, but now it looks like the Doctor saves him even though he's going to go make the Daleks. And maybe he was just waiting until the right Doctor showed up, I mean confronting David Tennant with a sonic screwdriver probably wouldn't give much catharsis.
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Sep 21, 2015 02:52
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pinacotheca posted:Here's my question: why does Doctor Who have so many space bars all of a sudden, and why are they all invariably modeled on the cantina scene from Star Wars? It's so generic and dull. And since when does "Hyperspace" exist? So generic and dull.
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Sep 21, 2015 12:34
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Rhyno posted:It doesn't have to be anyone currently involved in the show. I'd be happy with Joss Whedon at this point. The Doctor regenerates into a quipping half Asian (by name only) girl with Kung Fu Powers.
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Sep 23, 2015 12:59
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RunAndGun posted:... and is it possible they're might've been "no one" to replace him, because they weren't looking, really? I thought that was more or less it. Either he stayed or they cancelled the whole thing.
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Sep 24, 2015 01:36
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Jerusalem posted:Yeah that's great, because you realize he actually thinks he is being helpful and he can't see the moral horror of what he is doing. It's what I based that silly little "Davros gets the dishes done" bit on in a previous thread My favorite part of Davros is when at the end the Doctor just goes "oh he's not dead, he always comes back somehow".
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Sep 25, 2015 05:49
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CobiWann posted:You know, has anyone ever considered the Stormtroopers were lousy shots on purpose? They wanted the Millennium Falcon to get away so they could discover the location of the hidden Rebel base! It was all for show! This is confirmed both on and off screen. You just don't see them shoot at anyone but the hero so they're always inept. Except Hoth, but that doesn't count because 
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Sep 25, 2015 13:06
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Kikka posted:
Otherwise it would look boring.
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Sep 26, 2015 14:14
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Time Travel is super unrealistic, but I guess that's just par the course with Moffat.
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Sep 26, 2015 15:16
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Is the Terry Nation Estate stuff actually true because if so then the Daleks are the last villains you should complain about revisiting.
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Sep 26, 2015 15:35
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Carbon dioxide posted:Wait, what. The internet (tardis wiki) says that the Doctor's buddy in the medieval castle was only turned into a Dalek eyestalk puppet by one of the snakes during the tank scene while the doctor was being distracted by the rest of the colony. I didn't catch that at all, I thought the dude was an eyestalk guy to begin with. Yeah I thought the Daleks was just spying on him the whole time. I guess it doesn't really make sense since Davros is actively looking for the Doctor. I doubt it will be mentioned again though.
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Sep 26, 2015 18:19
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Trin Tragula posted:Overnights are out. The panicky may wish to go sit on the throne before they read this. At the very least it's worth going "hmmmm" over. What were the ratings for the first episode? I saw the initial ones but not with the digital views factored in.
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Sep 27, 2015 15:21
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So I finally caught up with S9 because school and everything distracted me after the Dalek two parter. Overall pretty good. I'm guessing like me, everyone else found the Sandman episode to be the weakest, although it was very experimental (at least for Who) and I can respect it for that. The only really strange thing I thought was having the Woman who Lived right after the Girl who Died, but I guess there's not really anywhere else you can put it and still give Face the Raven the time it needs to develop. The ending didn't quite stick but I appreciate that instead of having a big end of the universe plot it's just the Doctor trying to save someone he cares about. The way they left the door open for Jenna Coleman to come back (even if just reoccurring) was a bit sloppy, but not significantly different from other stories. In retrospect, Heaven Sent kind of ruins the pacing of the overarching story, but it's so good as an episode that I think it's worth it.
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Dec 18, 2015 18:05
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I think the Doctor is unique in that he's usually enough of a star that he can get big roles after leaving. Other TV actors are eager to get any job possible, which is why Supernatural is still on after 11 years.
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Dec 23, 2015 21:58
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Forktoss posted:When did we know for sure Smith was leaving? About a year before Time of the Doctor maybe? I can't remember at all when the official announcements were made. Whenever he shaved his head for Terminator. e: Officially was a few weeks after that. e2: looks like it was made official around June of 2013.
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Dec 24, 2015 01:51
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Astroman posted:I'm also going to go on the record here and say with chemistry that good between Kingston and Capaldi, I'd be down with River coming back as much as Missy. Imagine if The Moment was River Song instead of Rose.
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Dec 29, 2015 06:36
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Rochallor posted:He told us his name earlier this season. It's Doctor Funkenstein. I think you mean Basil.
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Dec 29, 2015 19:22
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jivjov posted:Speaking of Big Finish, the "extra" stuff for the Humble Bundle was revealed. Cyberman Parts 1-4 and a code to put 8 and Charlie into Doctor Who Legacy. So is the bundle worth buying/beating the average/paying $15? I don't know anything about any of those other than the Fearmonger, which I already own.
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Dec 30, 2015 20:32
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Jerusalem posted:If I remember correctly, that story has the incredibly disturbing,"THEN WHO AM I!?!" cliffhanger to one of the episodes. That poo poo haunted me as a kid. Tom Baker in...Les Miserables!
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Jan 3, 2016 18:20
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CobiWann posted:
I think they erred on the side of too many two parters, but they were pretty good. Although a couple weren't really two parters - The Woman who Lived is a continuation of The Girl Who Died, but it could've been put anywhere before Face the Raven and it would've been about as meaningful. Likewise, Heaven Sent and Hell Bent are mostly independent of each other, at least moreso than the Dalek or Zygon two parters.
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Jan 5, 2016 07:54
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What are the good Dalek audio stories other than Jubilee?
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Shiftypenguin posted:The Genocide Machine is a fun one. Though I have a soft spot for Seven, so... I do too, I was actually gonna ask about him next.
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Jan 8, 2016 02:27
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I get much more of a Clara-Rose vibe with 11, at least in terms of shipping. 12 is needy but (by the end of the episode) he's kinda accepted that he can't do everything. And honestly it's a better resolution than the Amy sendoff of "The Doctor can't ever see them again because of a bullshit rule that the audience doesn't really understand".
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Jan 8, 2016 21:37
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Maxwell Lord posted:NuWho follows the pattern of modern genre television in focusing more overtly on character arcs and relationships. As a consequence, the companion and why they're with the Doctor are bigger deals than they were on the old show. For the most part they don't just decide to hang around for a while, there's a bond formed between them and the Doctor. Therefore, their departure needs to have a firmer reason behind it- it's a loss, the end of a friendship, there really has to be a strong reason why we're not going to see them again. Yeah, also the companion (at least in contemporary times) is an audience insert, so you would have to figure out a way to make them voluntarily leave without making your real life audience also want to leave/stop watching. This can also be handled terribly - imagine if a companion left because she found out she was pregnant and valued motherhood over all else in her life? It's much easier to either incapacitate them in some way (including stuck in a parallel dimension/inaccessible timeline) or give them something cool to do (Clara, and arguably Rose too).
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CommonShore posted:Oh hm I forgot about him. He was pretty good too. Make it two ornery old guys and we'll do a Sci-Fi version of Last of the Summer Wine.
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Burkion posted:
Hard to film a threeway when one guy is the other guy from the future. Unless he regenerated first....
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