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Shoren
Apr 6, 2011

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bondster posted:

I don't think Sanji is going to be some secret prince or something that. Sanji did the Mr. Prince stuff because he likes doing that secret, behind closed doors poo poo during arcs. Plus if he was doing Mr. Prince to hide his identity, why would he join a pirate ship and not stay on the Baratie? Also if he was hiding his identity why would he flip out over his initial wanted poster not looking like him?

Personally, I think Big Mom may be involved. Maybe Sanji cooked for her and she liked it so much she reached out to the WG for a special request to capture Sanji alive.


The idea is that Mr. Prince is an allusion to his nobility. He could have come up with any number of pseudonyms at Alabasta, but he chose that one. You could argue that it's more like Prince as in Prince Charming, but this could be a good twist. It could be that "Sanji" itself isn't his given name and that's how his wanted posters were Dead or Alive until now. The reason for leaving Baratie is pretty clear: he wanted to find All Blue and that wasn't possible on a restaurant ship. Also, I doubt Big Mom has any sway over the WG to make them want him alive only given he's a part of one of the most wanted pirate crews. It's very likely in my eyes that he was recognized by a noble and that forced the WG's hand.

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Shoren
Apr 6, 2011

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Gyges posted:

Ace's vivre card is still burning down as he's just standing in an elevator, sitting on a ship, and then sitting on a scaffold. Considering the vivre cards does simply grow back once the danger is gone, it's probably some sort of 4th wall breaking magical knowledge.

Or you could just keep your own card around like a hacked Spidey sense. poo poo guys, we're in deep poo poo. My vivre card is smoking, watch out for an ambush!

I thought the vivre card depicted your physical condition as much as your mental condition. As the execution approached, Ace was close to giving up on life, so even if he was physically fine then it would still burn down because he lost the will to live.

Shoren
Apr 6, 2011

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I think that Kuma only seemed overpowered because he was and the gulf of power was simply too much for the Strawhats. Even without the send-you-flying attack he would have wiped out the Strawhats at Sabaody with the added bonus that they'd be ripe picking for the Marines to capture them all. If you're strong enough to hold your own against Kuma then I doubt that send-you-flying attack is really a threat.

Shoren
Apr 6, 2011

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We don't know how it is that Blackbeard is able to use two devil fruits outside of needing a specific fruit and having an atypical body type. Blackbeard was very adamant about his need to have the darkness fruit for his plans and he must have known somehow that he could take additional powers with it.

Back on the point of Kuma and "pushing" powers into other fruits, I think it's more likely that he was helping Vegapunk create new paramecia fruits by "pushing" the essence of something into a fruit. The two of them were apparently working together which lead to turning Kuma into a cyborg and Vegapunk is closely tied to devil fruits and how they work.

I don't think it's too much of a stretch that if Kuma could push the power into a fruit then Blackbeard could pull the power out of someone (or out of a fruit). The reason the previous users of the darkness fruit weren't known for using other powers is probably because they didn't have the body type to support it. The action of trying it was probably documented and that's why Blackbeard wanted the fruit so bad.

Shoren
Apr 6, 2011

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Blockhouse posted:

the one minkman we've seen for sure though was sheep themed

I'm pretty sure the only minkman we've seen was the one Chopper was looking for. The people chasing the Strawhats on Zou were part of Kaidou's crew, as evidenced by his emblem on them, and while they're definitely animal-themed they're not necessarily minkmen. We don't know anything about minkmen except that one appears to be a mink-human hybrid. There have been a lot of characters thus far that have had both animal and human characteristics and I don't think they're all minkmen.

Shoren
Apr 6, 2011

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anime was right posted:

while i think usopps latest? two fights have been lackluster in their climax, i have a feeling they're there to allude to the fact that he will have emperor haki

I hope this isn't the case because I'd love for Usopp to become a world-renowned warrior on bullshit alone.

Shoren
Apr 6, 2011

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drjuggalo posted:

smoker will be, coby will be the new chief of commander of the marines or whatever the gently caress that position is

Coby will end up Fleet Admiral when Akainu bites it. Smoker is like Garp in that they'll ignore orders from Marine HQ to chase after an important pirate (Luffy, Roger). Coby has all the fittings to lead the Marines in a reform era and we could see in his progression from East Blue to Water 7 to Marineford that he's going to be powerful by the end of the series.

Shoren
Apr 6, 2011

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In the latest chapter, Luffy calls out for Nami etc, but shouldn't he know they're not on the ship due to observation haki?

I don't think observation haki works like that. It's not a wallhack that he can use to immediately identify if someone is nearby. Plus, I doubt any of them use haki in non-combat situations.

Shoren
Apr 6, 2011

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Kild posted:

They were fighting in basically a void realm until the Sasuke vs Naruto fight.

The background art in Naruto really went downhill as the series dragged on and Kishimoto started phoning it in so he could wrap it up. Early on there were a lot of really well-drawn scenes and landscapes, but once you got to the ninja war it basically turned into DBZ where something, anything, had to be drawn for the main characters to stand on while throwing super attacks at each other.

Shoren
Apr 6, 2011

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tsob posted:

I must be reading a different One Piece, because the one I read often does build up a feeling that the crew, Zoro included, are counting on Luffy to finish off the head honcho because it's something only he can do. Even in the last arc, people were literally standing around pushing back a forcefield (okay, bird cage made of wires - same difference) while praying for Luffy to get up and finish off Doflamingo. And Zoro was one of those people.

I also don't think Zoro could have taken out Crocodile, Enel, Rob Lucci or Moria as he was at the time those people were being fought. He didn't have the hard counter to Enel that Luffy had for one thing. Even against the others though I never got the feeling that Zoro had the skill set or the raw strength of Luffy necessary to take them down.

I think a big thing with Zoro is that he prioritizes guys with swords over anyone else. However, if Luffy hadn't been so determined to punch Doflamingo then I don't doubt Zoro would have went for him. He was trying to hold back the birdcage to help Luffy out. I'm this case Zoro would have squared up nicely against Dofy since Dofy's attacks have a cutting edge, and he wasn't injured for a change.

Most of the villains save for Buggy, Crocodile, and Enel could have been handled by Zoro. Often there are extenuating circumstances that hold Zoro back from fighting them before Luffy can. I'm not sure what you mean by saying Zoro not having the raw strength that Luffy does. At Whiskey Peak they were evenly matched and since then we've been seeing both do incredible feats of strength (like Zoro throwing a whole house or defeating a fishman underwater). Luffy is important in ways that Zoro can't match, but when it comes to fighting I actually get the impression that Zoro backs off to let Luffy have the glory.

Shoren
Apr 6, 2011

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oddium posted:

here's an article about why scanlations are bad (saved you a click: it's because of swears and shichibukai/nakama/yonkou). the most interesting part is the difference in visual quality between official and scanlations:







also the article writer uses bartolomeo in like 3/4ths of the "excessive swears" category uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

I read this article this morning and the first thing that almost made me stop reading was how he claims scanlations hurt the studio and artist because you don't buy a physical copy. That may be true for lesser manga, but multi-millionaire Eiichiro Oda couldn't care less and would be happy more people are enjoying One Piece. He does have a point in how certain words aren't translated still (nakama withstanding) like Shichibukai when Seven Warlords works just as well, or any attack name (just put the translation in the bubble and the original in a note! this is a huge peeve of mine). The bit about colloquialisms is a tough one to call since the true meaning is so easy to lose, but it's not like discussing politics where you need exact meaning. Last, the bit about spoilers is silly because the best way to avoid spoilers is to consume the media as quickly as possible, even if the translation is spotty. I mean, Luffy punching a world noble at Sabaody wouldn't have been so satisfying and impactful if you knew beforehand that he was going to do it. You can always read the official release to get the "official" translation in case an important detail was missed.

Shoren
Apr 6, 2011

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Do they edit Zoro's wanted posters in the official releases to say "Zolo?"

Shoren
Apr 6, 2011

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Bobulus posted:

Having improving "revisions" of a fruit would imply artificial creation, perhaps?

I'm imagining BioShock being the precursor to One Piece now.

Yes, but there are other clues that paramecia devil fruits (at a minimum) are man made. The big one in my book is Law's devil fruit because why would one themed on an operating room be found naturally?

Shoren
Apr 6, 2011

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I would accept that they're naturally-occurring, and you know they work in certain ways, but you don't necessarily understand everything about them. Kind of like gravity.

Shoren
Apr 6, 2011

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How often are devil fruit users dying around people who just happen to be holding the right kind of fruit so they can say "Oh weird, my banana now has swirls on it, let me take a bite... whoa now I have that guy's powers!"

Shoren
Apr 6, 2011

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Niddhogg posted:

Why do we think only Blackbeard knows if you kill a fruit user then a close fruit becomes a devil fruit? It took 300 chapters for someone to mention that it's common knowledge that you can't eat two.

He's not the only one, but it doesn't appear to be common knowledge. It's one thing for a group of people to watch a devil fruit user eat a second and then explode than it is for anyone to watch a devil fruit user die and then witness a nearby fruit turn into a devil fruit. Or, it's easier to replicate the results of eating two fruits than it is to see a fruit turn into a devil fruit. People are more likely to spread stories of someone eating two and dying.

Shoren
Apr 6, 2011

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Whaleporn posted:

So is chopper, that ninja monkey had his hat.

I don't think the monkey had Chopper's hat, just looked like a regular tophat. Chopper's has a big X on the front. Not like it matters considering he's a freaking reindeer.

I like Zoro's new nickname for Sanji: The Human Eyebrow

Shoren
Apr 6, 2011

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khy posted:

I was thinking about catching up on the manga when it gets slow at work. All the main sites though don't offer the early chapters and I was hoping to go back and re-read some of the earliest stuff I haven't read in years. Is there a site right now that has all the old stuff AND the latest?

Read the colored chapters on bato.to

Shoren
Apr 6, 2011

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Rigged Death Trap posted:

I want Bepo to be just a bear.
Not a minkman.


I want the magic of Bepo to live on.

I was disappointed to read that, too. It was great that Bepo was just a talking kung fu bear and there was nothing else going on. Now we know he's just one of many minkmen (aka the fishmen of land).

Shoren
Apr 6, 2011

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I love the look on Zoro's face as Usopp is waving his arm and making threats.

Shoren
Apr 6, 2011

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Green Intern posted:

So Sanji is definitely captive aboard Big Mom's ship, then?

No, Luffy and Zoro specifically said that he wasn't captured and that he left a note. He was seen on Zou, wasn't he? I think it might have more to do with the mink they were chasing in that interstitial story section, assuming it wasn't the prince. He apparently left of his own accord and if Luffy isn't worried about him going missing then he trusts whatever he's doing.

Shoren
Apr 6, 2011

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Millions posted:

Jesus Christ, MangaStream continues to race to the bottom with "Crucify and chill." How's MangaPanda these days?

Literally not doing any work at all. They take MS's scans and put their watermark on them. Generally I didn't have any problem with the translation, but that line was cringe-inducing.

Shoren
Apr 6, 2011

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The crew found another use for Caesar this chapter: buoyancy to lift them up to Zou. I love that they keep using him as a tool against his will. Penance for being such a jerk.

Shoren
Apr 6, 2011

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Silver2195 posted:

The Rumbar Pirates (Brook's old crew), the Sun Pirates under Fisher Tiger, and Law's Heart Pirates (despite what I said above about Law's "nasty reputation," Law's flashback suggests it was unearned) seemed OK.

Law removed 100 hearts from pirates and gave them to the World Government to become a Warlord. Granted, they were pirate hearts and likely removed via a room, but that's still pretty brutal.

Shoren
Apr 6, 2011

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tsob posted:


You're right, it's called "One Piece", not "Pirate King". The two might be tied to each other, but they are distinct and more importantly Luffy has never shown any indication he actually cares about One Piece itself. He cares about being the Pirate King because it means he's the most free person in the world. He cares about getting to Raftel because doing so is incontrovertible proof that he's the Pirate King. He doesn't and never has cared about One Piece itself. It's just stuff to him.

There's a lot to talk about here and I'm phone posting so I just wanted to refute this point. Luffy definitely does care a lot about One Piece and this became starkly evident when Usopp tried asking Rayleigh about it. That's where we get the oft-repeated "boring adventure" line. The implication with One Piece is that because it was Roger who hid it, whoever is able to find it is worthy of the title of Pirate King. Ultimately Luffy may not actually be interested in what One Piece physically is, but it serves as the driving force for his adventure. I don't think any pirate can claim to be Roger's successor without finding One Piece.

Shoren
Apr 6, 2011

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tsob posted:

The boring adventure line wasn't because of One Piece specifically though. He didn't want to know anything about the adventure ahead and that included but wasn't limited to One Piece. Luffy has never talked about One Piece as a goal or even really at all unless someone else brings it up, only about being Pirate King. Obtaining One Piece isn't even what qualifies you to be Pirate King, just your reward for becoming Pirate King and an incentive from Roger to get people to risk their lives to reach Raftel, which is the real sign that you're Pirate King.

If Luffy really didn't care about what One Piece is and only wanted to reach Raftel then he wouldn't have stopped Usopp from finding out. They weren't asking about how to get to Raftel or what the island was like, only specifically what OP is (gold and jewels? a poneglyph? a straw hat?). That was Roger's dying directive: find OP. It wasn't just to reach Raftel. I doubt OP is just sitting out in the open on Raftel with a giant sign pointing to it, there has to be a final challenge to overcome to reach it. And by extension no one would take Luffy seriously if he claimed to be the Pirate King just because he reached Raftel without finding One Piece.

Shoren
Apr 6, 2011

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Julias posted:

It was longer than 2 years because this is when Oda started taking breaks every 3 weeks or so...So it was closer to 2 1/2 - 3 years, tbh. It was the first Manga arc that felt like it had deliberate filler in it, and while I thinked it worked out as a whole, it definitely could have used an editor to condense it, especially the last 15 chapters or so.

I wouldn't exactly call it filler but the arc definitely needed pruning. We're going to see the various gladiators down the line so this arc was necessary to set them up (though we're probably going to forget all is their abilities sans Bart, maybe). The one thing that I think really needed to be cut out was the dumb countdown to Luffy recovering Gear Fourth.

Shoren
Apr 6, 2011

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Jose posted:

wasn't that so the reveal was on chapter 800 or whatever. it definitely felt like it was being extended purely to make chapter 800 some major event

Chapter 800 was the formation of the Strawhat Armada and I think Oda specifically wanted that to sync up that way. In that regard there was a lot he could have done with the pacing to get there, like shown more of the other fights (Franky v Senor Pink?) or did more with the Diamante fight rather than the Gear Fourth countdown so there'd be ~tension~ with Rebecca and the Parasite String. I need to read the arc again start to finish because I'm probably being a bit too harsh on the pacing from a weekly point of view.

Shoren
Apr 6, 2011

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Kild posted:

Hell he could've done a "Meanwhile..." and show Sanji and Co.

This happened!! We were shown a single chapter on Zou with the crew cleaning up the remnants of Kaidou's crew and saving the squirrel(?) mink-girl. Could've done with another chapter or two focusing on their escape from Big Mom.

Shoren
Apr 6, 2011

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Cat Machine posted:

He's the third brother, so - Ichiji, Niiji, Sanji

It's been staring us in the face the whole series! Odaaaaaaaa :argh:

Shoren
Apr 6, 2011

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Begemot posted:

I think the idea is that Capone always has the element of surprise. Like Chopper and Nami weren't expecting dudes with guns to come bursting in because they would have heard them busting into the town or whatever. But Capone can just carry around a whole army with him all the time.

Sudden, unexpected violence being used to his advantage also fits with his whole mobster theme. I like Capone.

The other thing is that Capone is a supernova because of his crew, not despite them. His strength is entirely reliant on his DF housing his crew because it doesn't have any offensive power on its own. Luffy and Zoro were supernovas because they're monstrously strong by themselves. If Sanji and co. were to try fighting back they would have been turned into swiss cheese.

Shoren
Apr 6, 2011

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Silver2195 posted:

At least they still need Nami as a navigator. Chopper just keeps getting overshadowed by other doctor/healer characters. In this chapter it was Caesar of all people.

Well, to be fair, Caesar was working on a special anti-gas medicine to counteract the special gas weapon he helped develop. I wouldn't be too harsh on Chopper's medical abilities since starting the New World since everything he's been overshadowed on was because of bullshit devil fruit powers. I'm more annoyed by how Chopper is seemingly more timid than Usopp ever was. I know Chopper was never as gung-ho as the Monster Trio, but he at least tried to be brave in the face of danger and fight with the crew.

Shoren
Apr 6, 2011

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Cat Machine posted:

He doesn't need amnesia for this plot to work, does he? My guess would be that he had a reason for leaving his birth parents behind and taking the job on Zeff's ship. He probably just wanted to move on from his previous life.

Given that he's the third son of the family it's not unlikely that he ran away because he wanted something different in life. Since the first son takes over the estate there wouldn't really be a reason for Sanji to stick around if he wanted to be a chef.

Shoren
Apr 6, 2011

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NutritiousSnack posted:

He's probably a celestial dragon, as mentioned tons of times before. Unlike Doffy he just ran away and didn't have his dad revoke their status. Hence why a huge bounty but only alive and why he;s getting "married."

That being the case I really hope he didn't run away for moral reasons and simply wanted to be a chef (and eventual womanizer).

Shoren
Apr 6, 2011

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Parrotine posted:

I gotta wonder of this is one of those plot twists that was planned from the start or if Oda just decided to wing it here.

I mean Oda's decent at integrating his embellished character into the mainline narrative, but when he's cashing in a long-awaited plot chip, poo poo usually hits the fan in the best way.

I don't think it was planned out anymore than saying he was a noble at birth, ran away to be a chef, and ended up a pirate. Stuff like his family history, connection to Big Mom, that kinda stuff wasn't thought out until now.

On another note, what would happen if someone with a devil fruit that could increase their size started to grow inside Capone? If he's a castle man, is his body stone and can be repaired if damaged? Or is it more like there's a separate dimension inside him that his castle occupies and his body is otherwise normal?

Shoren
Apr 6, 2011

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Baal posted:

Why does Doflamingo's wire look like it's on fire

The attack is called "Overheat" which is also a string pun in Japanese, I guess that's why they figure it should look hot. Don't think too much about it.

What I'm more confused about is why Gear Fourth makes Luffy talk super slow.

Shoren
Apr 6, 2011

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Your Dunkle Sans posted:

It's a trope in Kabuki theater for the hero/protagonist to speak in an absurdly drawn-out, emphatic, and overly dramatic tone as well as exaggerated physical features like bouncing on one foot, fierce face and hand gestures, face paint, etc. This is in stark contrast to the minimalism of Noh theater. :eng101:

Kumadori of CP9 is a much, much straighter and more direct example of Kabuki tropes.

On that same note, No-Face in Spirited Away is at least a partial physical reference to Noh theater tropes (masks, quiet speech, subtle movements, etc).

That makes a lot more sense now. I recognized the initial transformation with Luffy's face and pose and all that, but I didn't realize the speaking style was reminiscent of it as well.

Shoren
Apr 6, 2011

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dordreff posted:

Yeah, even if Luffy is the one who fights Capone, the dude's just not a big enough threat to justify such a huge upgrade. It'll either be against Big Mom or Kaido.

Unless he starts firing swords or actual seastone bullets he won't really pose a threat to Luffy.

Shoren
Apr 6, 2011

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This was a great chapter with a lot of plot development. I like how Caesar was starting to warm up to the Strawhats and then Sanji turns around and holds him hostage. This is definitely the Sanji we all know and love so I hope to see more of his intelligent badassery and not him passing out from blood loss.

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Shoren
Apr 6, 2011

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Niddhogg posted:

Does anyone know what chapter the flashback to skypeia was originally on? Or at least how many years ago it was originally printed?

e: ^^^ :argh:

Chapter 227, right before they meet Cricket. Oda redrew those panels and added that little bit of text where Sanji cuts himself off from saying too much.

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