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Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
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I started Gunbuster today because I got a few hits from life and I needed something to pick me up (also I've had the -busters in my waiting list for ages). I know people said Gunbuster was the slow, somewhat lame prequel to the much better Diebuster but I've watched the first two episodes and I'm quite enjoying it! The art is nice, the robots are kind of boring but the characters are entertaining. I have very few complaints and I hope it stays this good for the next four.

I've seen there are a few Gunbuster things that aren't the main series or Diebuster (Gunbuster! Science Course and Gunbuster Renewal EX). Are these worth watching? When should I watch them, if so?

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Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
LOWTAX'S SPINE FUND

Okay, I finished both Busters as well as the Gunbuster extra stuff. Man, that was great. I enjoyed both series, Diebuster had stronger mecha stuff and Lal'C is an awesome onee-sama but I feel I enjoyed characterization in general more in Gunbuster, ignoring the really sudden love stuff that didn't particularly fit and seemed to be there only for forced suffering (though it does lead to Noriko's excellent growth).

I have little more to say, honestly, since I don't think I can properly explain anyways, so I'll just summarize by saying that I have no idea why I waited this long and both are really good series. I feel Gunbuster stands out by its own merits, it doesn't need Diebuster nor should it be considered something you watch only for historical merit, while Diebuster is just craziness all around and epically so. Also, I nearly cried in the end, what an amazing way to bridge both shows.

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
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chiasaur11 posted:

I'm curious what you thought about the last two episodes of Gunbuster versus the first four, if you don't mind me asking. I've seen people who prefer the first four and the Noriko character growth, and people who prefer the final two and their focus on the big sci-fi concepts.

There's a definite shift, and while I have my opinion, I'm always interested in other people's arguments.

Hmm...it's hard to say, with all honesty, since I enjoyed both parts. There's no doubt that the series gigantically shifts gears in the middle, which makes sense after learning that the last two episodes weren't planned. I really liked the focus on character development in the first four episodes, seeing Noriko go from underconfident to hot-blooded badass, but at the same time the sheer hot-blooded action in the last two, plus letting onee-sama have some of that growth too was enjoyable as well, and you can be drat sure I was shouting alongside the SUPER INAZUMA KIIIIICCCCCCKKKK.

The hard sci-fi was also neat, but at the same time made me feel kind of like an idiot because I can't even picture the idea of time going differently for different people. That's my problem though, and it didn't affect my enjoyment of the series. That said, overall, I feel I enjoyed the more character-driven first four episodes more. Not significantly more, since the other two were also extremely strong and memorable, but the first few felt like something very different from the mecha genre, in a good way, probably because by that point it was more of a sports anime with mecha (and a lack of sports) until episode 4 properly brings in the kaiju (after episode 3 uses them to great effect without ever showing them).

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
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Kanos posted:

Tekkaman Blade isn't terribly angsty - D-Boy is a loving champion for putting up with things as well as he does - but it ranges from melancholy to heart-crushingly tragic in tone.

Yeah, it's this. Tekkaman Blade is a series that's genuinely melancholic rather than angsty. It's a series where the writers clearly enjoy just torturing the protagonist, and it's so well-done that you'll go through his suffering. I'm not easy to make cry, and I can assure you, there's an episode later on that had me in tears really loving badly. It was so masterfully executed.

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
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GimmickMan posted:

The first shonen to have a sentai-like cast of pretty boys that pretended they were all of equal importance and pretty much defined the genre was Saint Seiya.

edit: Like even to the point of deliberately making yaoi bait. There's one scene in the manga where a character is frozen and another uses their power to unfreeze them but in the anime they turn that to "i will take off my armor to hug his lying frozen figure so i can warm him with my body for an hour".

That scene will never stop being a meme, will it? At least amongst us Latin Americans.

Then again the whole series is this weird combination of absolute misogyny and an extreme attempt to get fangirls through sexy topless men fighting while having an extremely strong bond.

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
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Kanos posted:

Gaogaistar is a good name but it doesn't fit the 3G naming schema.

Neither does GaoFighGar in FINAL though.

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
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Droyer posted:

The real mystery is Gaogaigo

It's a message.

GaoGaiGo make an anime out of this already GaoGaiGoddammit I want to watch it.

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
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If you aren't a giant robot or can't pilot or turn into one you shouldn't be around tbh.

Exceptions may be made but only for beings of the hottest of blood.

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
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I do not know who this is though he looks vaguely familiar. But that may be because he looks like a kid version of Garrod Ran.

Light Gun Man posted:

I will not stand for this attack on bridge bunnies and maintenance crew.


Not all the bridge bunnies and maintenance crew! A few of them are genuinely hot blooded and thus fall into my post. The rest can go.

chiasaur11 posted:

The words of someone in urgent need of "Correction".

Fine. You can stay if you pilot a battleship if you're cool enough.

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
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Rent-a-Bot posted:

I just finished shin mazinger and now I understand why everyone was mad it never got a sequel.

Messy show but it had style and panache even when you could tell it was straining against it's budget.

Never getting Shin Great Mazinger will always sadden me, but at least Super Robot Wars took the effort to fix that as it could and I'm grateful for it...even if I haven't actually played V or X.

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
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Droyer posted:

The first episode of fafner the beyond has been fansubbed

https://nyaa.si/view/1188364

Yeeeeees. I've been waiting for my dose of suffering for so long, and now it is here.

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
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Droyer posted:

Second ep of fafner the beyond's been translated
https://nyaa.si/view/1192298

Did I miss something? I went into this yesterday, and I watched The Exile a while ago so maybe I forgot something, but am I meant to know who Maris and Spectre are? Why is Soushi under their control, wasn't he with Kazuki before?

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
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Droyer posted:

Maris and spectre are both new, though considering how they're keeping spectre's real face secret he might be revealed to be an older character. Soushi was reincarnated at the end of Exodus and kindapped in the first Beyond ep (which I linked to earlier in this thread). Either the idea is he was kidnapped before he was old enough to develop long-term memories or they messed with his mind.

I watched the first episode and missed Soushi getting kidnapped, but I guess I wasn't paying enough attention. Still, it feels like there was something there that we should've seen but didn't, like how Miwa ended up as a Fafner pilot, like we just...skipped a few episodes here.

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
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TriffTshngo posted:

Thanks for the breakdowns. I'll start with the Shin/New OVA, then Shin vs Neo, and if I'm into them I'll give the manga a shot.

That seems good. New is definitely the best way to start, it's a self-contained story that properly explains everything, is brutal as Getter should be and has pretty good music. I'm also a giant fan of the manga but it takes a while to get going, better to get into it with an idea of what it will become.

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
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Well, I definitely can't miss the chance to see this series now that it's so easy to watch subtitled. I'm definitely watching this, and the first two episodes were really good.

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
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Linebarrels manga is great and I loved reading it, translation weirdness aside.

Linebarrels anime is...not. Please do not watch the Linebarrels anime.

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
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No, no they don't.

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
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Ranzear posted:

And the best part is how quickly one can catch that somebody's take is entirely based on Verhoeven's interpretations of a book he didn't read, mostly the moment they bother to mention fascism. They also 100% of the time think a dude from Argentina named Rico is white.

I may be missing something here since I don't know either the source material or the adaptation but this reads really weirdly to me. Argentina is a mostly white country, descended from Spanish and Italian people. It'd be weirder if someone from here wasn't white.

I'd know, I can't leave home on a sunny day without feeling my skin will melt.

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
LOWTAX'S SPINE FUND

For some reason, Bandai Spirits uploaded the first two episodes of Wataru 2 today, instead of the 11th episode of Wataru 1.

I'm going to take a guess here and say I do not want to watch those without actually finishing the first series.

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
LOWTAX'S SPINE FUND

It's pretty sad the Getter Robo Go anime is that bad when the Getter Robo Go manga is so good. But then again, Getter Robo didn't really get a good adaptation until later, and hasn't ever gotten an adaptation that's genuinely faithful to the manga even now.

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
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So was the original idea for the Wataru uploads that they'd upload ten episodes then jump to the next show?

Because that's actually kind of lovely, not gonna lie.

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
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I'm still thankful you noticed us so I could download them, since I don't follow the releases but I do like Fafner.

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
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Droyer posted:

Fafner's really good and you should catch up.

Fafner's always weird for me in that I both really enjoy getting more Fafner and also really wish it had ended in Heaven and Earth which was basically the perfect finale for the show.

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
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That's probably the best description of that, yeah.

I'm really not though ;_;

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
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drrockso20 posted:

Go Nagai is honestly not a very good writer, he's an excellent character/monster/mecha designer but his writing never really gets past average at best(which can be said about a lot of early manga creators)

I don't really agree. I agree on Mazinger, which definitely hasn't aged well, but Devilman is still excellent.

Those are the only Nagai manga I've read, no idea about the rest.

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
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Darth Walrus posted:

Apart from New Getter Robo, what are the best animated Getter Robo works?

Gurren-Lagann.

No, seriously. It's insane reading the Getter Robo manga and realizing how Gurren-Lagann really is the best Getter Robo adaptation. It's not even subtle about how much it takes from it.

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
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Droyer posted:

Fafner the Beyond episode 7 has been subbed! https://nyaa.si/view/1355681

I would like to note that Fafner the Beyond is not officially licensed so I would appreciate if the garbage fail mod didn't gently caress with my post again.

Great to see this back, even if it's been so long that I forgot some details. Thankfully, quite a bit did come back during the episode itself, but man, I had entirely forgotten Fafner was a thing.

Full power Kazuki is terrifying and I love the Mark Alles.

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
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Great! Now to watch them then wait for Part 4...

God I hate this release schedule so much. It's great at making me forget everything that happened every three episodes.

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
LOWTAX'S SPINE FUND

I watched the last two subbed eps of Fafner now and god was this what the series needed. I've felt The Beyond was not great so far - Heaven and Earth was essentially the perfect ending, a conflict where everyone survived and hope was on the horizon. The Beyond upturned that and made the situation worse than ever, and things did not improve in the least ep by ep. It felt a bit too despair porn-like for a series that, while dark from the get-go, was always optimistic. It clearly was all meant to lead here - Soushi doing the impossible to completely stop a million death flags and save the people he cares about (in a coma as they may be), and that leading to a way to actually undo said comas and recover the people that were in the final stages of assimilation. Added to Soushi and Miwa growing closer together and the latter being more willing to show her emotions, it's absolutely the right direction to take and I'm glad Part 4 will likely keep this and not be as depressing as The Beyond in general has been.

Also Ruby completely owning Maris was great.

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
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GorfZaplen posted:

Oh yeah, and as for shows similar, have you watched Detonator Orgun? They're so similar in design it feels like Tatsunoko may have stole from it a little bit

They're so similar that Super Robot Wars W basically treats them as the same series. They're very closely connected in the game's plot.

I haven't watched Orgun to compare them though, my entire knowledge of it comes from SRWW. I did watch and really like Tekkaman Blade though.

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
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Gaius Marius posted:

It's gonna be a poo poo show. Has there ever even been a good adaption of a visual novel. Every one seems to come out hugely lacking.

The Ufotable Fate adaptations (well, haven't watched the Heaven's Feel trilogy yet but I've heard good things about it and I have no reason to doubt it)

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
LOWTAX'S SPINE FUND

Just watched the first ep of Arc. I didn't even remember it was meant to start now. That was a very ugly first episode but goddamn it hits the Getter excitement just fine anyways, and Bloodlines is an excellent JAM Project song.

That said it's probably impossible to understand to anyone that hasn't read the manga and I genuinely cannot understand going for Arc instead of finally doing a proper Getter Robo adaptation which we somehow still haven't gotten.

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
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Octo1 posted:

I want them to put Texas Mack in Getter Arc, I don't care how or why it shows up.

It can just have a cameo between the mass-produced Stelber. And no one ever calls it out, it's just there.

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
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Ethiser posted:

Texas Mack should destroy Getter Emperor.

The only thing that can destroy the very concept of evolution, a cannon with too much high power man.

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
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chiasaur11 posted:

So, Getter continues to have really awkward animation combined with a really good base story. Seems that the Getter is being shown as a more Go style force for good than the more apocalyptic tone it had in Arc, but the future story is coming, and that's the bit that really turned things in the manga. Curious how that'll be squared.

I have to wonder this particular point. (manga spoilers) Go defends Getter as hope itself - but who the gently caress is this Go? Even he points out he has no idea how he's alive or how he got to Black Shin Getter. It reminded me of how Musashi pilots Getter Emperor 3, but of course, Musashi is long-dead, and the Musashis we see are endlessly created clones that get horribly killed but it doesn't matter since more will just keep coming. It also connects with people like Kei and Benkei that got eaten with Getter and then sung its praises. While I'm sure Go is honest, I'm not sure if he's trustworthy, entirely because he's already part of Getter at this point.

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
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GorfZaplen posted:

None of the non-Ishikawa Getter really do it for me. Some of the anthology one shots are cool, Dino Getter was a lot of fun and I'd have read a full length manga about it. But that's about it

I liked Devolution. Interesting premise, good art, and I can never say no to the Linebarrels of Iron duo. It's not as good as the original manga, but it's worth a read, plus it's pretty short overall.

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
LOWTAX'S SPINE FUND

Good to know I'm not the only one feeling like that. Arc added a bit to the ending but...it didn't really give us an ending, it just moved the non-ending later down the line. At least show the Dragon/BUG fight, jeez!

Overall I can't say I'm disappointed or anything, it's still the most faithful adaptation we've ever gotten and it did improve on the manga, but...I guess I'll just wait until Arc is in a non-gacha SRW to get a proper ending...

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
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Blockhouse posted:

Not even metaphorically but like textually every Eureka Seven thing directly tries to destroy everything about the first series to the point where the Hi-Evolution movies finally accomplished it by revealing every series, manga, game, and movie in the franchise was just the delusions of Eureka using a magic box after she accidentally murdered Renton

Jesus, and I thought AO was bad enough. That's horrible, I'm glad I didn't bother with the movies. The only real Eureka Seven things are the original series and whatever SRW they appear in.

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
LOWTAX'S SPINE FUND

Oh man, I didn't even think of getting a new Aquarion. I'll join the bandwagon and say I hope it's like the first one and not Evol, though I think Evol had some interesting ideas and moments, it just..lacked in a lot of others. Logos was so bizarre I'm not sure if I liked it or not, though at least the Aquarion that could just take a million forms was very nice from an "oh cool robot" perspective.

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Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
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Fivemarks posted:

Who has it worse: Eureka 7 Fans or Aquarion fans

Aquarion fans don't have to retcon the entirety of the franchise post the first series and SRW Z out of existence, unlike Eureka Seven fans.

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