hobbez posted:

Thank you so much for your response! Really interesting. Maybe Ill pick up No God But God. Ill let you know what I think!

Vordulak posted:

Well now this sounds interesting.

Panda Bear posted:

can you demonstrate this for me? i've never seen him presented as such by anyone but fox news and the like so I'm genuinely curious.

Amun Khonsu posted:

He didnt have sex with children. Read my post again. I explained it well enough.

ashgromnies posted:

Idk it sounds like it was at most one child, and her age is disputable. Unless you have some conclusive evidence you can share?

ashgromnies posted:

lmao you're fuckin' dumb

my point is that you're wrong about basically everything you've been saying ("has sex with children" when it is only aisha in question, and you think her age is conclusively settled), so i am calling attention to that fact to create more uncertainty around anything else you might say

if you think that's "condoning pedophilia" you're really really stupid

so, again, if you want to come in here and act like an authority, how about you behave like the other people acting as authorities and actually post some supporting evidence?

if you can't substantiate your claims with any evidence then how can you expect to convince anyone?

ashgromnies posted:

what on earth are you talking about? i haven't acknowledged poo poo that you've said. try reading again. i said that the question of her age seems not settled -- she may or may not have been a "child", from what i can glean from this thread, and it may or may not have been acceptable practice at the time to marry "children" of such an age. that's hardly conclusive.

and besides, i am not the only person here who could benefit from the fruits of your scholarship. please, share your research with us.

ashgromnies posted:

surprise, they've posted enough evidence in here that any reasonable person, based solely on the material in this thread, would come to the conclusion that knowing aisha's exact age is very difficult

Fuzz posted:

Don't confuse modern Arab society with anything Muhammad was pushing, because it's become so hosed up and corrupt and it's not actually supported if you read the rules laid down in the Quran, let alone just look at the Prophet's own life, particularly with regard to his first wife.

Amun Khonsu posted:

I dont know how this thread got hijacked by individuals who feel the need to distort and circumvent the facts about the Prophet's marriage to Aisha. However, now that you feel good about yourselves, respect the OP and purpose of this thread and take it elsewhere please. Lets move on.

Agreed.

ashgromnies posted:

ashgromnies posted:

He never will, he is a literal unironic Trump supporter and this is his schtick: making claims contrary to visible evidence and then never substantiating them.

MrNemo posted:

I'm sorry I didn't hear any references in that post from the guy who thinks it's super crucial to cite sources when making claims.

Nude Bog Lurker posted:

It's well known among a significant segment of SA posters without no ideological agenda that your gimmick is tedious and comprehensively played out. gently caress off.

Lassitude posted:

Muslims believe that everyone is by default born Muslim. They believe Islam is by default the religion of the human race, and anything else is a deviation from the correct path. So if you're born to Muslim parents, you are invariably Muslim yourself. And if you choose to reject that, you are put to death for apostasy (in nations where shari'a is enforced). Muslim children do not get to choose.

That said, this is not in any way different from any other religion. The only difference is that no other religion kills people for choosing an alternate path (if they're allowed to), as far as I'm aware.

Amun Khonsu posted:

Islam forbids polygamy.

Amun Khonsu posted:

It tolerates polygyny but discourages it by placing limitations.

Amun Khonsu posted:

Ask me a question about Islam and I will answer it. Ask me about myself in PM. Otherwise gtfo. This is not a debate thread. Its an "Ask us" thread.

Amun Khonsu posted:

I apologize to those who have been reading this thread in dismay over the negative crap being posted in it. I have devoted my spare time to answering questions based on my knowledge and experiences. Im not going to continue to engage the diatribe, vitriol and hate-mongering from clowns as I have better things I can be doing.

From here out, I will be growing my IGNORE list, so that I can focus on answering questions, discussing and learning with you. I expect people not to agree with me, that is how we (I) learn. However, if people are going to be disrespectful and offensive clowns intending to cause trouble and derail the thread, then BLOCKED.

I suggest that the others answering questions and reading this thread do the same, if you havent already done so

Fuzz posted:

Yeah, I'm tuning out after the ignore drama. If someone has a question for a pretty moderate (I hate that term) American Muslim, PM me to check here and post.

Happy New Year!

Jastiger posted:

What did you convert from? How are you more predisposed to believe than others? Are you saying you're just a gullible person?

If you care about social justice, why did you settle on one of the most regressive schools of thought?

Amun Khonsu posted:

I would not say gullible, but normal. I think it is scientifically accepted that the brain of our species is wired to believe in God and polls show that most people do. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism Couple this with the fact that if I was gullible, I would have taken the Church's word for it and not wasted 4 years in intensive personal study of religion to resolve my questions.

I was born into Roman Catholicism, raised Catholic until age 14 when my mother changed my religion to a Evangelical/Pentecostal non-denominational church.

IMO, people who study Islam and sort out the western social diatribe, cultural baggage of Muslim countries, and religious dogma from developing world scholars, he/she will come to the conclusion that Islam is a progressive Social Justice movement for its time and intended to evolve as a progressive social justice movement over time. It is not the most regressive schools of thought if compared to other religions and their histories.

Amun Khonsu posted:

EX: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism#Europe

http://www.godpart.com/book_premise.html


I spoke of my experience and answered to your followup question. Time to move on.

Flagrant Abuse posted:

I'm an atheist but this thread is making me want to convert to something just to spite the pushy, evangelical atheists who are just as irritating as the people they hate.