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This guy.quote:I was born without my right hand. As a child, this deformity quickly set me apart from my peers. In public I wore a prosthesis, an intimidating object to other youngsters because of its resemblance to a pirate’s hook. Even so, I wore it every day; I felt inadequate without it. I was shy, uncoordinated and terrible at sports, all of which put me on the outs with other boys my age. But I was good at drawing and making up stories for my own entertainment, and I spent more and more time in my own head, being a space adventurer or monster wrangler or whatever character I could think up. These would ultimately prove to be useful skills, but for now they only served to further alienate me from other kids. On top of it all, I still struggled with bladder control—likely due to my heaping pile of insecurities, to which this problem only added more—well into my elementary school years.
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Sep 23, 2015 06:27
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Yeah pedophiles exist. Should I know who it is?
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Sep 23, 2015 07:58
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Good to him for owning up to it I suppose. Sucks that his brain is wired in a hosed up way.
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Sep 23, 2015 08:03
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Sep 23, 2015 09:49
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the op
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Sep 23, 2015 20:25
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How many terabytes of child porn do you think this guy has?
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Sep 23, 2015 20:34
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I'm the guy in the OP
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Sep 23, 2015 20:42
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gentle pete posted:I'm the guy in the OP Could you tell the guys at Virtuous Pedophiles their website name is still creepy-looking as poo poo?
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Sep 23, 2015 21:00
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The Most Self-Congratulatory Pedophile On Earth posted:So how had this happened? Well, I have a pretty good idea. When I was seven years old, I was fondled in the front yard of my grandparents’ home by a man I barely knew. Oh, well that solves that, then. -EDIT- A True Hero For Pedodom posted:Those individuals who have the courage to come forward and lay claim to this affliction with the understanding that they only want to use their pedo powers for good should be commended, not hated and feared. I only want to use my sexual attraction to children for the power of good! I'm on the level of Ghandi and MLK! Who What Now fucked around with this message at 22:23 on Sep 23, 2015 |
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Sep 23, 2015 22:08
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Isn't that the guy that it also came out talks about volunteering to be a kids' art teacher and talks about how great is is that he has multiple friendly little girls hugging him and all?
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Sep 23, 2015 22:40
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Isn't that the guy that it also came out talks about volunteering to be a kids' art teacher and talks about how great is is that he has multiple friendly little girls hugging him and all? I sure loving hope not. If you think it's great that you have kids coming up and hugging you, even if you aren't actually molesting them, it's still really loving creepy. Still, like I've said in previous threads on this topic, to have committed a criminal act involving the sexual abuse of a child (regardless of whether it's doing it, or viewing an image/video of it), you must: 1) Have the attraction to such an action. 2) Have no moral opposition to doing such an objectively terrible thing. 3) Have no fear of getting caught. I think we can safely assume that there are a lot of people with (1) that are missing one of the other two conditions, which means that sexual attraction to minors is more common than any normal person would like to think about. This guy, unfortunately, probably only represents the tip of the iceberg. I have no idea what should be done about all this, but it does concern me that there's probably such a high rate of people with sexual attraction to minors. If I had to say, in a perfect world, I'd probably say: de-stigmatize the attraction itself, but make it clear that any actual offence will be severely, severely punished, and make sure there's as close to 100% chance of getting caught as humanly possible.
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Sep 23, 2015 23:00
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PT6A posted:I sure loving hope not. If you think it's great that you have kids coming up and hugging you, even if you aren't actually molesting them, it's still really loving creepy. PT6A, you seem to have mellowed out and become a much more cool guy lately. 
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Sep 24, 2015 01:21
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The guy who wrote this article should have his computers, hard drive, ect confiscated.
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Sep 24, 2015 01:36
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It's a little weird that he makes a thing out of not wanting to name the "pro-contacter" forum he frequented. I imagine this guy is responsible for enabling a lot of reprehensible poo poo.
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Sep 24, 2015 02:49
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Who What Now posted:I only want to use my sexual attraction to children for the power of good! I'm on the level of Ghandi and MLK! Uh Gandhi actually did want to use sexual attraction to teenagers for the power of good though so maybe not the best example.
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Sep 24, 2015 08:46
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Isn't that the guy that it also came out talks about volunteering to be a kids' art teacher and talks about how great is is that he has multiple friendly little girls hugging him and all? yes
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Sep 24, 2015 13:25
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Of course it's a salon.com article.
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Sep 24, 2015 13:30
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PT6A posted:I sure loving hope not. If you think it's great that you have kids coming up and hugging you, even if you aren't actually molesting them, it's still really loving creepy. I know this quote is colored by the context of the thread but there are thousands (millions? I don't know the numbers) of people who work in preschools, daycares, schools, etc that are going to vehemently disagree.
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Sep 24, 2015 13:58
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Black Baby Goku posted:The guy who wrote this article should have his computers, hard drive, ect confiscated. He's the op of this thread perhaps! Nevvy Z posted:I know this quote is colored by the context of the thread but there are thousands (millions? I don't know the numbers) of people who work in preschools, daycares, schools, etc that are going to vehemently disagree. Teacher's jobs will be made more difficult by this guy existing. Nonsense fucked around with this message at 14:04 on Sep 24, 2015 |
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Sep 24, 2015 14:00
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Isn't that the guy that it also came out talks about volunteering to be a kids' art teacher and talks about how great is is that he has multiple friendly little girls hugging him and all? he probably misheard someone saying "pedagogue" and got real excited
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Sep 24, 2015 14:07
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"The Discovery of an Alternate Sexuality: Many gays begin to recognize their sexual preferences sometime around puberty," Okay that's it I'm done reading this trash article, this guy should sexually orient himself into a highway
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Sep 24, 2015 14:14
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pedophilia isn't a choice, shitlord e. Woops, this isn't GBS But anyway, cases like this are where Social Justice logic starts to hit a brick wall for me. Every argument for queer rights could be deployed in this guy's favor -- the attraction (if not acted upon) is harmless to society, his attraction isn't a choice, persecuting this guy based on his benign attraction codifies bigotry, appeals to what is "natural" are a fallacy, this guy wouldn't necessarily be a bad parent or a danger to children, etc. Even if you want to remove the stigma of the attraction as PT6A said, how do you treat someone as an equal when their sexual orientation, if acted upon, is abhorrent? How do you check your microaggressions against someone you can't trust your children with? Should such an attraction be normalized, and if not, where is the red line for acceptable intolerance? unlimited shrimp fucked around with this message at 14:37 on Sep 24, 2015 |
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Sep 24, 2015 14:24
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unlimited shrimp posted:pedophilia isn't a choice, shitlord This is highly ableist, not everyone can poo poo.
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Sep 24, 2015 14:25
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PT6A posted:Still, like I've said in previous threads on this topic, to have committed a criminal act involving the sexual abuse of a child (regardless of whether it's doing it, or viewing an image/video of it), you must: At the very least, the British establishment is a pretty good example of what happens when you get rid of #3.
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Sep 24, 2015 14:27
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Nevvy Z posted:I know this quote is colored by the context of the thread but there are thousands (millions? I don't know the numbers) of people who work in preschools, daycares, schools, etc that are going to vehemently disagree. I like working with kids, I did some work at a school in my old home and had a bunch of super over eager and hyper kids running around and some did indeed hug me (spoiler: it was when I brought out food or toys). It indeed was nice because kids' energy is infectious so it made doing grunt work and all a bit nicer to be doing it for people who were super happy about it. If someone in my group doing that was making sure only little girls hugged him and getting super into it I would hope that the rest of us would beat his rear end. There's a wiiiide gap between 'd'aw you're a friendly kid' and 'AW YEA LITTLE GIRL HUG ME I'M SO CLOSE' and the latter generally makes life harder for everyone else working with kids because, ya know, parents tend to not be super jazzed to put their kids at risk for being some fuckstick's tool to get off (but he's not molesting them, it's cool, he's a hero really)
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Nevvy Z posted:I know this quote is colored by the context of the thread but there are thousands (millions? I don't know the numbers) of people who work in preschools, daycares, schools, etc that are going to vehemently disagree. I'm assuming he meant in the context of being an admitted pedophile. I refuse to believe anyone would categorically oppose the concept of hugs from children. unlimited shrimp posted:But anyway, cases like this are where Social Justice logic starts to hit a brick wall for me. Every argument for queer rights could be deployed in this guy's favor -- the attraction (if not acted upon) is harmless to society, his attraction isn't a choice, persecuting this guy based on his benign attraction codifies bigotry, appeals to what is "natural" are a fallacy, this guy wouldn't necessarily be a bad parent or a danger to children, etc. Even if you want to remove the stigma of the attraction as PT6A said, how do you treat someone as an equal when their sexual orientation, if acted upon, is abhorrent? How do you check your microaggressions against someone you can't trust your children with? Should such an attraction be normalized, and if not, where is the red line for acceptable intolerance? The admittedly few self-admitted pedophiles I've encountered online have all been creepy goonlords that I wouldn't trust around children regardless of their attraction. If pedophilia were destigmatized and I knew a non-rapey pedophile, I'd probably trust them around children the same way I trust people to not commit rape in any other situation.
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unlimited shrimp posted:
Perhaps ... Perhaps not. Question: Are pedos also sexually attracted to the mentally retarded? If you put a child's mind into an adults body does that still get them off? Or if you find an exceptionally mature and self confident child does understanding adult concepts make them more or less attractive to pedos? One could argue that pedophilia is a way of coping with such incredibly low self esteem and fear of rejection that they are turning away from their actual attraction to children because children are so uncomplicated and accepting and won't ever "betray" them or expect the kind of reciprocation that an adult wants in a partner so they can't be "failed" in the way an equal can. This would be unlike homosexuals whose attraction is being driven by physical triggers such as pheromones and who aren't attracted to the opposite sex even when a women is "butch" or a man "effeminate" because it isn't the social stereotypes they are attracted too but rather the underlying physicality. I'd like to see a study that tries to tease apart what it is about children that is triggering the attraction to answer that question - but in the absence of one my gut leans towards cowardice rather than orientation as the most likely explanation. This fits observations of the real world such as the overlap between pedos online and MRA's ( see 8-chan etc ), the overlap between pedos an polygamists historically ( attraction seems to be maintained into adulthood if the woman was "broken" and raised infantilized/dependent on her father/husband figure ) and the common description of pedos as "lonely" and just generally socially deficient.
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Sep 24, 2015 15:17
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Kajeesus posted:I'm assuming he meant in the context of being an admitted pedophile. I refuse to believe anyone would categorically oppose the concept of hugs from children. Well, there's a difference between enjoying the sentiment that is expressed when someone you like or care about hugs you, and enjoying the physical aspect of hugging someone you find attractive. If it's the latter, and it involves an adult and a kid, it's loving weird. If it's between two adults and it makes one of them feel uncomfortable, that's weird and bad too.
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Kajeesus posted:The admittedly few self-admitted pedophiles I've encountered online have all been creepy goonlords that I wouldn't trust around children regardless of their attraction. If pedophilia were destigmatized and I knew a non-rapey pedophile, I'd probably trust them around children the same way I trust people to not commit rape in any other situation.
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unlimited shrimp posted:I was thinking about that earlier too and I guess it comes back to the fact that a pedophilia has no socially acceptable way to indulge or explore their sexuality whereas most other people are at least potentially able to without having to resort to rape. Trusting a pedophile to not rape a child is more like trusting a rapist to not commit rape. This is super hosed up. There's a huge difference between attraction and acting on attraction,especially when acting on it is known to cause harm. People go their whole without raping anyone or having sex. It's not super healthy, which is part of why we need to remove the stigma of seeking treatment. It ties back to the quote to follow, in that until we know more we can't really be sure the best course of action. McAlister posted:I'd like to see a study that tries to tease apart what it is about children that is triggering the attraction to answer that question - but in the absence of one my gut leans towards cowardice rather than orientation as the most likely explanation. This fits observations of the real world such as the overlap between pedos online and MRA's ( see 8-chan etc ), the overlap between pedos an polygamists historically ( attraction seems to be maintained into adulthood if the woman was "broken" and raised infantilized/dependent on her father/husband figure ) and the common description of pedos as "lonely" and just generally socially deficient. I'm also interested in this. I'm not gonna google pedo surveys from work, but do they also have attraction to some/any adults? Sometimes/always/rarely? Does it operate more as a fetish, enhancing pleasure because of something wrong/taboo, or as more of their 'baseline' so to speak?
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unlimited shrimp posted:I was thinking about that earlier too and I guess it comes back to the fact that a pedophilia has no socially acceptable way to indulge or explore their sexuality whereas most other people are at least potentially able to without having to resort to rape. Trusting a pedophile to not rape a child is more like trusting a rapist to not commit rape. That depends entirely on whether someone is exclusively sexually attracted to minors, or attracted to both minors and adults (EDIT: To answer the question from the post above mine, both types of pedophiles exist). The former, I'd have very serious concerns about for the reason you mentioned, but if someone is attracted to both children and adults (like, apparently, half of the British upper class was), they can still explore most of their sexuality without ever abusing a child, and it would be in essence no different from someone who has rape fantasies. Going from fantasy, or even role-playing between consenting adults, to actually doing something as reprehensible and morally repugnant as committing an act of rape (against an adult or a child) is a really, really big step, and something that I'm guessing not a lot of people would ever consider doing. I mean, look at all the "sexy schoolgirl uniform" stuff that goes on in porn and whatnot. If all the people who watch that represent a significant risk of trying to actually molest a teenage schoolgirl, we're pretty much hosed as a society. Luckily, I think (hope?) most of the people who get turned on by that sort of thing realize how completely wrong it would be to actually do that in real life. EDIT: It's also important to note that not all child molesters are necessarily pedophiles, in that it can be a crime of opportunity or power, rather than one predicated on sexual attraction to children. That's another thing to consider when talking about how to reduce and prevent child sexual abuse. PT6A fucked around with this message at 16:18 on Sep 24, 2015 |
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unlimited shrimp posted:I was thinking about that earlier too and I guess it comes back to the fact that a pedophilia has no socially acceptable way to indulge or explore their sexuality whereas most other people are at least potentially able to without having to resort to rape. Trusting a pedophile to not rape a child is more like trusting a rapist to not commit rape. Would you trust a gay man raised with the genuine belief that homosexuality is a sin to not rape you?
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Sep 24, 2015 16:23
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I found the guy:
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Kajeesus posted:Would you trust a gay man raised with the genuine belief that homosexuality is a sin to not rape you? Conversely, a pedophile only has options 1 and 2 available to them. There is no healthy way for them to explore or indulge their pedophilia. In that sense a pedophile more like a latent rapist who craves that specific power dynamic, than Joe Average who is technically capable of rape but does not desire it.
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Sep 24, 2015 17:26
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By that logic, any virgin is a potential rapist, since they haven't never had the chance to healthily express their sexuality.
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Sep 24, 2015 17:54
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The difference being that pedo porn is hugely awful. unlimited shrimp posted:Conversely, a pedophile only has options 1 and 2 available to them. There is no healthy way for them to explore or indulge their pedophilia. In that sense a pedophile more like a latent rapist who craves that specific power dynamic, than Joe Average who is technically capable of rape but does not desire it. They can fantasize just like any other virgin, they just need to stay the gently caress away from the porn option.
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Sep 24, 2015 18:03
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Well, poo poo, yeah, I guess there's always porn. That's a fair point.
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Sep 24, 2015 18:05
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Nevvy Z posted:They can fantasize just like any other virgin, they just need to stay the gently caress away from the porn option. What about erotica? Erotica involving minors is, for example, criminalized under Canadian law provided that it has no "artistic merit" (which I guess is why it's legal to own George RR Martin books in Canada), presumably because it could be used to groom a child, even though, unlike photographic child pornography, it does not involve the actual abuse of a minor. The law has been used in a criminal proceeding successfully, I believe, although I know at least one landmark case used the "artistic merit" provision to have those charges thrown out. I'm not committed to saying it should be banned outright, nor that it should unquestionably be legal, as I think there are good arguments on both sides; I'm mainly curious what other people think.
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Again, my point is that there are no healthy, consenting ways for a pedophile to explore their pedophilia (except fantasizing I guess). This is not true of gay people, however self loathing. This is not true of a virgin looking at porn. This is not true of a basement dwelling goon afraid to talk to women. All of them have outlets to explore their sexuality that are either victimless (porn) or otherwise mutually consenting (prostitutes, hookups, whatever). A pedophile can fantasize, look at hentai/cartoon porn, or read erotic stories. The latter two may still be illegal in some jurisdictions, I don't know. The only way for a pedophile to explore their sexuality with another human being is to victimize a child. If they are capable of living a normal life with an adult partner, or otherwise not indulging in their sexuality, then that's great. But their sexuality is categorically different than, say, a straight guy who is capable of rape but otherwise has no interest in it, or a self-loathing gay guy who could still healthily explore their sexuality if they overcame their demons.
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