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Robotnik Nudes posted:That's a fancy way of saying you have no clue. Did you know that pedophiles are significantly more likely to be lefties? So...uh...watch out.
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Robotnik Nudes posted:I'll say iy again: realdolls for pedos. How much does a year of therapy cost? And what is that even going to accomplish? Pray the pedo away? Naw. Just give them a sexual outlet if they're willing to come out and identify. It's gross but it's way less gross than loving kids. For the price of a year of useless therapy you could buy them a nice full featured realistic fuckdoll that will last...I don't actually know what the average mileage you can get out of a realdoll is but probably at least 5 years. Sooner or later the guy would start to wonder what's the difference between loving a doll and a real child.
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Robotnik Nudes posted:Eugenics is totally a good idea. That hasn't ever caused any problems in society worse than pedophilia. That's a silly argument. Eugenics as practised today is not about killing people or forced sterilization it is about the manipulation of dna. Nobody would be murdered if we could isolate the paedo gene...ok maybe some paedophiles would be killed but it's a small price to pay for progress.
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Funky See Funky Do posted:That's a silly argument. Eugenics as practised today is not about killing people or forced sterilization it is about the manipulation of dna. Nobody would be murdered if we could isolate the paedo gene...ok maybe some paedophiles would be killed but it's a small price to pay for progress. Assuming there IS a peso gene and we find a way to isolate it and test prenatally AND you can convince the people rich enough to afford the tests to have an abortion. And then you have less wealthy/upper middle class pedophiles.
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TheLovablePlutonis posted:Sooner or later the guy would start to wonder what's the difference between loving a doll and a real child. They already wonder what it's like to duck a kid. I suppose the difference is one gets you off and the other gets you in prison.
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TheLovablePlutonis posted:Sooner or later the guy would start to wonder what's the difference between loving a doll and a real child. He's already wondering that today. That's the whole issue here, he has this exact problem already. We need to get rid of it, and doing nothing won't. I'm not saying do what Robotnik says right now, but if research says it's a good thing, by all means do it. There's not nearly enough research done, though, because ~taboos~ Funky See Funky Do posted:That's a silly argument. Eugenics as practised today is not about killing people or forced sterilization it is about the manipulation of dna. Nobody would be murdered if we could isolate the paedo gene... "Paedo gene"...? Is that like the gay gene? Is there any grounds ever of such a thing existing? Funky See Funky Do posted:ok maybe some paedophiles would be killed but it's a small price to pay for progress. 
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Truga posted:He's already wondering that today. That's the whole issue here, he has this exact problem already. We need to get rid of it, and doing nothing won't. I'm not saying do what Robotnik says right now, but if research says it's a good thing, by all means do it. There's not nearly enough research done, though, because ~taboos~ I have no idea I'm not a biologist or geneticist. In my feeble understanding of those things though if it's not a learned behaviour then it must be either genetic or caused by something the mother ingests during pregnancy or from brain damage. Given the sheer scale of paedophilia and that it exists universally among all human societies at all times during history the smart money is on it being genetic. If people have a gay gene that's no problem. A gene that cause paedophilia is a problem and it's needs to go.
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Funky See Funky Do posted:I have no idea I'm not a biologist or geneticist. In my feeble understanding of those things though if it's not a learned behaviour then it must be either genetic or caused by something the mother ingests during pregnancy or from brain damage. Given the sheer scale of paedophilia and that it exists universally among all human societies at all times during history the smart money is on it being genetic. If people have a gay gene that's no problem. A gene that cause paedophilia is a problem and it's needs to go. I mean technically it's also possible that being attracted to children is the "natural" state of humans and it's socialised out of most of us. Given that of course it wasn't always taboo (looking at you ancient greece) and might have been more common in cultures which didn't object to it? In which case you'd need to work on better socialisation for people to catch the people who don't get the idea. Same with killing people, we all obviously have the capacity for that and once upon a time it was legal under some circumstances, that it now isn't doesn't mean humans are naturally not inclined to murder, it just means we've mostly internalized the idea that it's wrong. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 22:43 on Oct 2, 2015 |
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Truga posted:He's already wondering that today. That's the whole issue here, he has this exact problem already. We need to get rid of it, and doing nothing won't. I'm not saying do what Robotnik says right now, but if research says it's a good thing, by all means do it. There's not nearly enough research done, though, because ~taboos~ Funky See Funky Do posted:I have no idea I'm not a biologist or geneticist. In my feeble understanding of those things though if it's not a learned behaviour then it must be either genetic or caused by something the mother ingests during pregnancy or from brain damage. Given the sheer scale of paedophilia and that it exists universally among all human societies at all times during history the smart money is on it being genetic. If people have a gay gene that's no problem. A gene that cause paedophilia is a problem and it's needs to go. A Buttery Pastry fucked around with this message at 22:44 on Oct 2, 2015 |
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A Buttery Pastry posted:But where does a pedophile go in terms of exploring their fantasies, if they're already loving child sex dolls? Seems to me that retarding that exploration as much as possible would be the way to go. A slope even more slippery than the interiors of one of the state funded dolls Josh Duggar would be forbidden, as an offender from owning. gently caress dolls are a privilege. Not a right.
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OwlFancier posted:I mean technically it's also possible that being attracted to children is the "natural" state of humans and it's socialised out of most of us. Given that of course it wasn't always taboo (looking at you ancient greece) and might have been more common in cultures which didn't object to it? I don't know if I quite buy that. I'll give you it's possible but were it true you'd imagine pederasty being practised by every society until something came along to make them decide it was a taboo. It would also mean that homosexuality or even heterosexuality can be socialised away and I think if we've learned anything over the past few thousand years it's that it absolutely cannot be.
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It could also mean that human experience within a society is greatly varied and no society is homogenous enough to produce the same beliefs and feelings in all of its members. It's also very possible that homosexuality is currently very socialised out of our society and that fluid or nonbinary sexuality is more common than we'd think, and there is statistical support for that idea. I mean if you're talking about stuff you'd expect to be rife but isn't you could add things like polygamy and bestiality but there is plenty of pushback to those ideas from many sources.
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OwlFancier posted:It could also mean that human experience within a society is greatly varied and no society is homogenous enough to produce the same beliefs and feelings in all of its members. It's also very possible that homosexuality is currently very socialised out of our society and that fluid or nonbinary sexuality is more common than we'd think, and there is statistical support for that idea. I'm not comfortable with the paedophile thread being the one to make me stop and think hard about things compared to the other things I'm reading. I guess it's time to go get that anthropology degree I've always wanted. This is knowledge humanity needs to have yesterday.
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I don't know about Society at Large but I want to hit the shorteyes from the OP with a trash can because he's a bad person. It causes almost no lasting damage, gets your point across, and makes a very satisfying WHAP noise for you and onlookers.
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Funky See Funky Do posted:I'm not comfortable with the paedophile thread being the one to make me stop and think hard about things compared to the other things I'm reading. I guess it's time to go get that anthropology degree I've always wanted. This is knowledge humanity needs to have yesterday. The topic is super screwed up, because every time it's brought up it quickly becomes apparent we don't know anything about it besides "very bad people". We don't know why, we don't know who, we don't know when, until it's too late and there's an actual child involved. A Buttery Pastry posted:But where does a pedophile go in terms of exploring their fantasies, if they're already loving child sex dolls? Seems to me that retarding that exploration as much as possible would be the way to go. I dunno, it just seems like a theory worth researching to me. Unless you're asexual you have to deal with libido in some way, and considering that for these people the alternative of screwing an S size realdoll or whatever is either crippling depression or life in prison, it seems like a pretty clear choice. Like I said earlier, for every research that finds "creepy comics from japan decrease child molestation rates", I can find one that says "CP encourages child molesting". It just seems something worth looking into, because most studies are inconclusive at best, since by far the vast majority of research on "paedophiles" we currently have is actually from jailed child molesters, or vague conclusions from "Japan has lower child molesting rates because of anime!", where the real reason numbers are lower could be something completely tangential.
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MGTen posted:This is why the people that claim that stuff like the anime pedo poo poo is harmless are full of it, btw. It just provokes further escalations in predatory behavior. We saw this sort of cycle happen a lot and it can be pretty frustrating to deal with. Aside from the brilliant post. I am wondering if people that do see/watch that stuff do actually stop at that point and never go further into that terrority versus those who actually do and slowly go towards actual child porn. I mean aside from the context obviously, I'm not sure if everyone would go from..."Hand-drawn cartoon with anime kawaii~ poo poo" compared to the likes of actual illegal recorded child molestation. I mean as you said. Anime pedo poo poo being viewed by someone who is a possible offender/someone seeking therepy will no doubt further esclate predatory behavior. But I am wondering if the people that view anime lolicon poo poo do actually stop at that stage and never continue forward because it's attraction to either "2D cutesy anime bullshit and that I prefer 2D girls over 3D girls" attitude or feeling a lot less guilt over watching it because it's just hand-drawn animation and not illegal production of actual child rape. Because from what I've seen, there is a lot more people that are into that compared to you know...actual child porn. I think the issue that needs more payed attention to in Japan anyway is not the child anime crap but the actual selling of videos/photos of child models they have over there. Which is really at that point just softcore pedophile content. (Unless they finally did something about that recently. I'm not really someone that pays attention to Japan news.) Robotnik Nudes posted:The Ancient Greeks did get a lot of poo poo done. The Ancient Greeks were into most things anyways.
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Everyone who jerks it to anime porn increasingly stops desiring 3d partners as they discover 2d is infinitely superior in all ways.
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Extreme0 posted:I think the issue that needs more payed attention to in Japan anyway is not the child anime crap but the actual selling of videos/photos of child models they have over there. Which is really at that point just softcore pedophile content. (Unless they finally did something about that recently. I'm not really someone that pays attention to Japan news.) It still exists. I wish they'd do something about it, but I'm guessing all the higher ups are buying these so it doesn't happen. Thug Lessons posted:Everyone who jerks it to anime porn increasingly stops desiring 3d partners as they discover 2d is infinitely superior in all ways. This is correct: quote:According to a 2011 survey conducted by the Japanese National Institute of Population and Social Security Research, 61 percent of unmarried men and 49 percent of unmarried women aged 18-34 were not in any kind of romantic relationship at all. A related survey by the Japan Family Planning Association (JFPA) found that 45 percent of women aged 16-24 “were not interested in or despised sexual contact [with others]”.
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Truga posted:The topic is super screwed up, because every time it's brought up it quickly becomes apparent we don't know anything about it besides "very bad people". We don't know why, we don't know who, we don't know when, until it's too late and there's an actual child involved. It's going to be an absolute nightmare to study properly. I can't imagine many non-offending non-registered paedophiles signing up for it. So right off the bat your sample is skewed towards people that have abused a child and been caught. "Hi, we're conducting some research. Are you a person that the vast majority of people would be happy to lynch? Come to building 1A Science University! We super swear it's not a trap."
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Funky See Funky Do posted:It's going to be an absolute nightmare to study properly. I can't imagine many non-offending non-registered paedophiles signing up for it. So right off the bat your sample is skewed towards people that have abused a child and been caught. "Hi, we're conducting some research. Are you a person that the vast majority of people would be happy to lynch? Come to building 1A Science University! We super swear it's not a trap." You are absolutely correct, which is why there were arguments for attempting to reduce the stigma of it so it could actually be studied in such a way. If you use only the currently known pedophiles, like offenders in prison or people trading child porn, you might only be the population segment representing pedophilias extreme end. To liken this to the heter/homosexual comparison that (even in this thread) ignores sexual spectrum or things like bisexality, there might well be a similarly ignored spectrum, wherein the people falling to the far side of pedo have sole attraction to minors and people on the other side total sexual repulsion, with most pedophiles falling in the middle and so typically non-offending. If they can't come forward, the problem might seem to remain binary when it might well not be, and treating or interviewing that other segment might provide insights into better treatment than incarceration.
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Truga posted:Like I said earlier, for every research that finds "creepy comics from japan decrease child molestation rates", I can find one that says "CP encourages child molesting". It just seems something worth looking into, because most studies are inconclusive at best, since by far the vast majority of research on "paedophiles" we currently have is actually from jailed child molesters, or vague conclusions from "Japan has lower child molesting rates because of anime!", where the real reason numbers are lower could be something completely tangential. Reason such as what, race? What does Japan has that England, US, India and South Africa doesn't?
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TheLovablePlutonis posted:Reason such as what, race? What does Japan has that England, US, India and South Africa doesn't? Japanese culture, basically.
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TheLovablePlutonis posted:Reason such as what, race? What does Japan has that England, US, India and South Africa doesn't?
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TheLovablePlutonis posted:Reason such as what, race? What does Japan has that England, US, India and South Africa doesn't? The first thing I would look at would be the rates at which abuse is reported.
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Sharkie posted:The first thing I would look at would be the rates at which abuse is reported. That. I can think of no other nation on Earth that wears its paedophilia on its sleeve like Japan does.
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Funky See Funky Do posted:That. I can think of no other nation on Earth that wears its paedophilia on its sleeve like Japan does. Sharkie posted:The first thing I would look at would be the rates at which abuse is reported.
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CSPAN Caller posted:Is it really therapy that's keeping recidivism down or just high ratios of supervision? From what I understand, this is kind of the wrong question. Supervision, medication, and therapy are used together to be as effective as possible and address all dimensions of the situation. An important part of therapy is helping people self-identify and correct dangerous problems. Otherwise, the supervisors would just be having constant power struggles all drat day. Basically, think of therapy as a way of getting these people to work WITH the staff to aid in their treatment program. Armani posted:Dude. Thank you for sharing, but holy gently caress. No problem. If anyone has any questions, feel free to ask! Like I said, I’m not an expert or anything, but I do have a lot of second-hand and anecdotal information that can be misused to defend or attack the positions people take on the issue of treatment and care :P Truga posted:This was link to me some time ago, found it again now: The article attached to this was an interesting read and it really does highlight some of the problems with the whole issue, but there’s a couple of things that bothered me about it. The first is the claim that community resources like the one I worked for aren’t really acknowledged. I kind of understand that because, like I said earlier, we were kind of invisible--you can even see evidence in the article where it implies that there are therapists trained and capable of dealing with pedophiles, these are the kind of doctors our program worked for--but I think it overstates the difficulties in accessing these services. As a result of this overstatement, it ends up weirdly coming down on mandatory reporting laws, which is ridiculous. I don’t have a great deal of sympathy for people that want help, but aren’t willing to deal with the consequences of their actions. A lot of the complaints seem to be “I wanted to get help, but I didn’t want to be punished for admitting that I had broken the law” and that’s not how it should work. If people feel that zero-tolerance laws and sentencing minimums are making it difficult for getting people to come forward, fine, that’s a sane conversation, but accessing treatment should never be a way of avoiding legal consequences for behavior. Also, while the initial therapist Adam talked with reacted very poorly when she first met him--probably because as a family therapist she deals with a lot of abuse victims--there’s nothing wrong with someone unqualified to deal with the situation telling a client that. It’s unclear if the therapist referred Adam to someone else more qualified and trained in the area, which is what she should have done, but it’s pretty normal for people with specialized mental disorders to get referred to another doctor after a therapist realizes the problem isn’t something they can handle with a Buproprion scrip and a monthly med check. Extreme0 posted:Aside from the brilliant post. I am wondering if people that do see/watch that stuff do actually stop at that point and never go further into that terrority versus those who actually do and slowly go towards actual child porn. I mean aside from the context obviously, I'm not sure if everyone would go from..."Hand-drawn cartoon with anime kawaii~ poo poo" compared to the likes of actual illegal recorded child molestation. First, thanks for the compliment! I’m glad people enjoyed the post. Now, I don’t know much about the actual mechanics behind escalation, but I do have a bit of insight into something that I think is important to this conversation. Basically, there is a tendency to assume that all pedophiles come from the same place. The argument tends to go back and forth on “nature vs. nurture” and whether or not pedophilia is an in-born quality or learned behavior or some combination of both. People argue about how pedophiles act or function in very broad terms, looking for commonalities. I get this. All conversations have to be reductive to some extent and when you’re dealing with something that is both highly emotional and poorly understood, it’s pretty much impossible to have a discussion that can capture all the details of the issue. But the treatment of all pedophiles as being of a similar “type” goes against my experience with the situation. A pretty good example of this was two clients I had: Jason and Brian. Brian was a juvenile offender, he had molested his cousin when he was seventeen and his cousin was ten. Brian also had pretty significant brain damage ‘cause he huffed a lot when he was younger and came from an abusive/neglectful household where sexual abuse had been normalized. After some time in a corrective facility and quite a bit of therapy in the program, he began expressing remorse for his actions. According to his doctor, he was unlikely to offend again because after some time in an environment that held him accountable for his behavior and reinforced positive behaviors, he no longer understood his impulses as normal behavior. Jason was a manipulative creep with a record of violent offenses of minors, particularly young teenage girls. He was on the autistic spectrum and in the time that I worked with him, went to jail twice: once for destruction of property and once for exposing himself in a shoe store. Jason had a wonderful upper-middle class family that loved him a lot, but paid us to take care of him because he was an awful human being that needed constant supervision. We were warned that we should always keep him in sight while in public and he wasn’t even allowed to be alone with other members of the house without staff present. Now, you can claim that there is an underlying disorder that these two clients that made them both attracted to minors, but I don’t think there’s any evidence for that and from what I can tell, these were two very different cases that required different approaches in regard to treatment. So, when we are discussing people watching anime pedo movies and why they aren’t acting in a similar way to other types of offenders, it’s important to understand that they probably aren’t acting that way because they’re not the same kind of offender. To be absolutely clear, I don’t think this excuses anime pedo poo poo and it definitely shouldn’t be taken as the bullshit “ephebophile” argument where “oh I’m not a pedophile so I’m okay”. The person watching child porn (and that loli crap is child porn) is contributing to an environment where children are sexualized; an environment where people like Brian are encouraged in their behavior, even if the individual watching the poo poo will never offend themselves. tl;dr everyone that watches anime should be put in prison
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Funky See Funky Do posted:I don't know if I quite buy that. I'll give you it's possible but were it true you'd imagine pederasty being practised by every society until something came along to make them decide it was a taboo. It would also mean that homosexuality or even heterosexuality can be socialised away and I think if we've learned anything over the past few thousand years it's that it absolutely cannot be. Humans obviously have all sorts of urges society has deemed bad, as shown by the bloodthirsty misanthropy evident every day on the news (and in this thread). I think it is likely that humans naturally have a much wider range of inborn lust than is societally acceptable, which explains all sorts of paraphilias. There is little biological (evolutionarily relevant) cost in males inseminating everything in sight, and the substantial genetic benefit of possible reproduction. This doesnt mean society should accept pederasty (or other rape, or bestially or whatever), but it seems morally neutral for the person with the urge to simply have the urge. Look how many more people are suddenly LGBTQQFOMGBBQWTF now that society even marginally accepts it. They always were, generally, but hid it. Stigmatizing it to the degree we do means we can't even understand it, just blindly hate it and act out in the most uninformed, reactionary, and probably counterproductive ways.
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A more productive topic of conversation than figuring out why they are like this is figuring out what is the most ethical way to achieve a high compliance rate on their castration. This is a relatively minor procedure which immediately and nonlethally solves the problem forever. It's silly that we don't make its implementation the default assumption.
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Sharkie posted:The first thing I would look at would be the rates at which abuse is reported. Bingo. IIRC Japan has a low reported abuse rate, but on the other hand allegedly has rampant child prostitution, where minors go out with older people for some pocket money, and this obviously doesn't get reported by the kid who wanted some cash. MGTen posted:It’s unclear if the therapist referred Adam to someone else more qualified and trained in the area, which is what she should have done I think it was implied that she didn't do that, so his mom had to find one herself, and even then had issues because no therapist would take him until she begged. She was probably asking the wrong people, too, though it's not like you can just call up a number and ask "I'd like a therapist for my kid who's into children". Thanks for these long posts BTW, they're good reading.
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Tezzor posted:A more productive topic of conversation than figuring out why they are like this is figuring out what is the most ethical way to achieve a high compliance rate on their castration. This is a relatively minor procedure which immediately and nonlethally solves the problem forever. It's silly that we don't make its implementation the default assumption. That doesn't really solve any problem. Castration doesn't eliminate sexual urges, and penetration isn't the only way to sexually assault a child.
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Some fairly major misconceptions at play here. First of all, pedophilia is understood in psychology and psychiatry to be a paraphilia, not a sexual orientation. It is like other paraphilias, and other paraphilias are like pedophilia. In addition, only attraction to people under the age of 15 is considered to be a pathological paraphilia in need of psychological treatment to prevent people from acting on it. Secondly, only one-half to one-quarter of reported child molestation cases are committed by pedophiles, with pedophile defined as someone who is primarily and ordinarily attracted to children. The remainder are committed by people who are not primarily or ordinarily attracted to children. So, if we accept that pedophilia is incurable psychologically and pedophiles should die because they are incapable of acting otherwise, then we must also accept that there are a great many other fetishists that also need to be killed. Someone with a rape paraphilia, a paraphilia for turning people into inanimate objects, a paraphilia for psychically controlling people, a snuff paraphilia- these and others would need to be killed because they too have an incapacity for acting otherwise and will attempt to carry out their fetishes at some point. On the other hand, if we believe that someone who has a rape fetish is capable of controlling and managing their urges, then pedophiles should also, despite how much more disgusting they are, be able to be capable of controlling and managing their urges. Furthermore, only a minority of pedophiles, if any at all, would be utterly without any desire for sex with an adult human being, just like with any other paraphilia. But, we do have a culture which provides plenty of justifications and excuses for pedophilia that more obscure paraphilias don't have. Youthfulness is fetishized, innocence is fetishized, people sing about how desirable someone who's just turned 16 is, and this is considered innocent music. The Runaways were explicitly formed as a pedophilia-fetish band by their manager, who was in turn a pedophile rapist. School uniforms are considered sexy. In this environment, it's not surprising that pedophilia would be harder to treat than other paraphilias, because our culture treats a little pedophilia as perfectly normal sexuality. So there's a lot of room to work there, but of course this doesn't involve Japanese media and is "puritan", so I don't think people are likely to accept any actions to change our culture away from it.
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The Shortest Path posted:That doesn't really solve any problem. Castration doesn't eliminate sexual urges, and penetration isn't the only way to sexually assault a child. How do you figure?
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a bay posted:How do you figure? Don't ask, OK? Just keep living in the world you know now, it's a better world.
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Effectronica posted:First of all, pedophilia is understood in psychology and psychiatry to be a paraphilia, not a sexual orientation. It is like other paraphilias, and other paraphilias are like pedophilia. In addition, only attraction to people under the age of 15 is considered to be a pathological paraphilia in need of psychological treatment to prevent people from acting on it. I would just like to point out here that psychological and psychiatric definitions are subject to swings as more research is done in or consideration given to an area, the most famous example being homosexuality being a "sociopathic personality disorder" right along side sexual sadism and pedophilia in the DSM 1, with it being reclassified to a paraphilia (sexual deviation) in DSM 2, that being revised to a sexuality in 1973 due to protests and further study. Given the fluidity of psychiatric definitions as further study is done, it may not always be the best place from which to base an argument.
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The Shortest Path posted:That doesn't really solve any problem. Castration doesn't eliminate sexual urges, and penetration isn't the only way to sexually assault a child. Castration severely deadens sexual urges. If it proves insufficient in practice we can try it in conjunction with pharmacology.
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PaleIrishGuy posted:I would just like to point out here that psychological and psychiatric definitions are subject to swings as more research is done in or consideration given to an area, the most famous example being homosexuality being a "sociopathic personality disorder" right along side sexual sadism and pedophilia in the DSM 1, with it being reclassified to a paraphilia (sexual deviation) in DSM 2, that being revised to a sexuality in 1973 due to protests and further study. People are using psychiatry to begin with, so they can either know what the current understanding is, or offer an alternative.
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