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ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

unlimited shrimp posted:

But anyway, cases like this are where Social Justice logic starts to hit a brick wall for me. Every argument for queer rights could be deployed in this guy's favor -- the attraction (if not acted upon) is harmless to society, his attraction isn't a choice, persecuting this guy based on his benign attraction codifies bigotry, appeals to what is "natural" are a fallacy, this guy wouldn't necessarily be a bad parent or a danger to children, etc. Even if you want to remove the stigma of the attraction as PT6A said, how do you treat someone as an equal when their sexual orientation, if acted upon, is abhorrent? How do you check your microaggressions against someone you can't trust your children with? Should such an attraction be normalized, and if not, where is the red line for acceptable intolerance?

I'm pretty sure there are extremely few Social Justice Warriors who think that pedophilia should be legitimized and protected. By and large the attitude is not "this is normal and healthy" but "the stigma against pedophilia is so extreme that it prevents people from seeking treatment." The fact that nothing exists between 'burn the witch' and 'this is perfectly normal and healthy' is a problem with a lot of things, not just this particular one. I'm sure there are extreme examples but extreme examples are not a usual mindset. (or at least shouldn't be.)

That said, 'every argument for queer rights' doesn't work here. A major issue here is that a gay person who is in a relationship with another gay person has entered into a consensual relationship with another adult. This is not a minor issue and it is where the "well, if we let gays marry we'll have to marry dogs and men too" argument falls too. Mature adults choosing to enter into a consensual relationship with one another is a very different matter from abuse of someone incapable of or unable to consent.

Trying to tie the two together is kind of gross because it ignores that very important fact. No comparison can or should get past the brick wall of "gay people have consensual adult relationships." You can't compare it to pedophilia or bestiality or whatever for that very important reason.

ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 22:54 on Sep 24, 2015

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