Guess who has one hand, no friends, can't stop pissing pants and is a pedo?

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A Buttery Pastry: Sep 4, 2011; Delicious and Informative!

Caros posted:

The main thing that leads to the idea of pedophiles as a biological trait is that there is tons of data for it. Studies on pedophiles have found, for example, that they have less white matter in their brains and are statistically four times more likely to be left handed. The last one is important because the chance of that happening incidentally if there wasn't some biological factor us vanishingly small.

So what you're saying is that we need to imprison all left handed people?

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Effectronica posted:

What? There are all kinds of environmental factors that correlate with biological ones. Self-identifying as a homosexual or bisexual is associated with your socioeconomic environment and where you grew up. The color of your skin, if you're an American, affects your propensity for various diseases, and not because of genetics.

But those have a pretty clear causative relation, don't they? Nationality and skin color affect your socioeconomic environment, which in turn affects your nutrition and other factors which increase the risk of certain diseases. (Or makes you more likely to accept your homo/bisexuality. I'm not sure where the causative relation between pedophilia and left handedness would be.

Kegluneq posted:

y Increased left handedness has also been associated with schizophrenia, epilepsy, homosexuality (more tenuously), asexuality and being really awesome at music. The paedophilia correlation is there, but it's not very helpful by itself.

If pedophiles are 4 times more likely to be left handed than not, then a little calculation quickly reveals that it is in fact a very helpful piece of information.

Pedophiles are 80% left handed, and 20% not.
The general population is 10% left handed, and 90% not.

For these two facts to add up, the 10% left handed group has to contribute 4/5 of the pedophiles, while the 90% non-left handed group has to only contribute 1/5. In essence, a group that is 9 times smaller has to contribute 4 times as much, meaning any given left handed person is 36 times more likely to be a pedophile than their non-left handed brethren. Going from that, we can figure out the percentage of left handed people who are pedophiles as a function of the percentage of pedophiles in the general population.

Pedophiles in general population : Pedophiles in left handed population

0.1% : 0.8%
1% : 8%
10% : 80%

While I have a hard time believing it's true, I did see someone mention here once that pedophiles might actually make up a staggering 10% of the population. If that is the case, then left handedness might be the single greatest indicator of this criminal pervesion.

# ¿ Sep 25, 2015 16:50

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Trent posted:

Of course, your position actually extends further to people who even enjoy watching simulated murder, so everyone who has ever watched Murder, She Wrote has to die, sorry Nana, you sick gently caress.

You're being retarded here.

# ¿ Sep 29, 2015 15:23

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Trent posted:

I know I shouldn't expect much from someone who still uses that word as a pejorative, but kindly explain why punishment for desire of a criminal act is OK for some crimes but not others.

How many people do you think watch Murder, She Wrote because of a lust for murder? I'm not even dealing with the question you're asking, just pointing out that the comparison is ridiculous.

# ¿ Sep 29, 2015 17:07

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OwlFancier posted:

Murder she wrote is a fairly mild example but have you seen the gossip magazines that people buy? When people coined the phrase "torture porn" I feel they misapplied it.

Gossip magazines with "torture porn"? What kind of gossip magazines are you talking about here?

OwlFancier posted:

A lot of people definitely have a really perverse fascination with human suffering, which is completely fine so long as you consume it in a socially acceptable way.

A fascination with human suffering and death is not the same as a fascination with or lust for murder though. Everyone dies, and part of the way people cope with that is to confront death through various media.

# ¿ Oct 1, 2015 05:20

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SedanChair posted:

I think there is. Lots of priests and nuns live entirely celibate lives, for example. You can disagree but that's just your "horse sense," AKA opinion without value.

Well, claim to. Just like they claim they don't rape kids.

# ¿ Oct 1, 2015 21:54

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CSPAN Caller posted:

Is it really therapy that's keeping recidivism down or just high ratios of supervision?

From what MGTen wrote I'm thinking the latter.

TheLovablePlutonis posted:

BBG is right, this Todd guy definitely should be mercy killed if he thinks teaching a 5 year old to gently caress is a good thing that is just hindered by society and that the next priority for progressives is to tear that barrier down.

But she was totally interested in sex! It wasn't just his broken brain interpreting things in a manner which to him justifies what everyone else sees as abhorrent acts.

# ¿ Oct 2, 2015 15:08

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Trent posted:

Yes, the guy in the OP is a creepy poo poo, but a tale of a nice guy goon who presses up against grown women (or men) in the subway or watches yoga classes through a crack in the wall or puts cameras on their shoes would be similarly awful. The awfulness is in the violations of agency more than the targets, and only idiots would be categorically attacking all hereto (or homo)sexuals about it because a pervert posted a misguided screed

It's not just about agency, it's also about harm. Some kid getting molested could easily be screwed up for life, while someone creeping on a yoga class might not even be discovered, and if he or she is, it's probably not going to affect the victims anywhere near as bad.

# ¿ Oct 2, 2015 19:44

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Robotnik Nudes posted:

I'll say iy again: realdolls for pedos. How much does a year of therapy cost? And what is that even going to accomplish? Pray the pedo away? Naw. Just give them a sexual outlet if they're willing to come out and identify. It's gross but it's way less gross than loving kids. For the price of a year of useless therapy you could buy them a nice full featured realistic fuckdoll that will last...I don't actually know what the average mileage you can get out of a realdoll is but probably at least 5 years.

Then if they diddle a real kid, harsh penalties obv.

All I see that doing is helping the pedophile bring their urges to the front, at which point a lot of little kids are suddenly "trying to explore their sexuality".

OwlFancier posted:

So a purely punitive approach is limited to waiting for paedophiles to molest children, waiting to learn they've done that (as they're probably not advertising it) and then killing them or locking them up. Which doesn't really stop children being molested, because you have this big lag time between when they become detectable and when you can do something about it, even with hypothetical anti-pedo death squads.

It'll prevent further acts of molestation by that pedophile though.

# ¿ Oct 2, 2015 20:46

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Robotnik Nudes posted:

This does not seem to follow but you're welcome to try to explain what you mean.

The connection between children and sex is going to be even more strongly pronounced in someone who routinely gently caress a child sex doll.

OwlFancier posted:

So does institutionalization. Somewhat more expensive, perhaps, but possibly more productive.

"Welp, he raped a kid, shoot him. Why does this keep happening?" seems like an unhelpful approach.

Tell me how institutionalization of child molesters prevents child molestation, where their death does not.

# ¿ Oct 2, 2015 21:01

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OwlFancier posted:

Study and research on them, their lives, their brains, their genetics, their psychology, can help to identify why paedophilia exists and why people feel able to commit child rape, with a view to finding preventative measures for both.

Shooting them doesn't really do any of that.

No one said anything about shooting.

Robotnik Nudes posted:

Pretty sure the connection between kids and sex is already strongly pronounced for people who have an orientation towards sex with kids.

Taking your thoughts and making them actions is definitely going to create connections in the brain which didn't exist before.

# ¿ Oct 2, 2015 21:23

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Truga posted:

The inability to discern fantasy from the real deal is a very real disorder called Schizophrenia, which we do have treatment programmes for, though.

Simulated child sex is not fantasy though, it's real. The pedophile is going to be creating memories which directly link children and sex, in a much more physical and real sense than their fantasies.

OwlFancier posted:

Executing them more expensively then, if you prefer?

Well, there is always your suggestion of vivisection.

# ¿ Oct 2, 2015 21:42

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Truga posted:

He's already wondering that today. That's the whole issue here, he has this exact problem already. We need to get rid of it, and doing nothing won't. I'm not saying do what Robotnik says right now, but if research says it's a good thing, by all means do it. There's not nearly enough research done, though, because ~taboos~

But where does a pedophile go in terms of exploring their fantasies, if they're already loving child sex dolls? Seems to me that retarding that exploration as much as possible would be the way to go.

Funky See Funky Do posted:

I have no idea I'm not a biologist or geneticist. In my feeble understanding of those things though if it's not a learned behaviour then it must be either genetic or caused by something the mother ingests during pregnancy or from brain damage. Given the sheer scale of paedophilia and that it exists universally among all human societies at all times during history the smart money is on it being genetic. If people have a gay gene that's no problem. A gene that cause paedophilia is a problem and it's needs to go.

I think environmental effects can affect how certain genes are read by the cells too, which might even happen outside the womb, and could potentially cause a gene which is normally harmless to in some cases cause pedophilia in the carrier.

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TheLovablePlutonis posted:

Reason such as what, race? What does Japan has that England, US, India and South Africa doesn't?

A greatly reduced number of children?

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Funky See Funky Do posted:

That. I can think of no other nation on Earth that wears its paedophilia on its sleeve like Japan does.

The UK on the other hand is just clumsily dropping pictures from the weekly child molestation get-together wherever it goes.

Sharkie posted:

The first thing I would look at would be the rates at which abuse is reported.

Yeah, that'd probably explain a lot. I know Denmark was used as an example earlier of the supposed positive effects of child porn, but I'd be pretty wary of trusting those stats, given that new stories about the authorities ignoring reports of child molestation basically spring up every month.

# ¿ Oct 3, 2015 05:58

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