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Paradoxish posted:Is there any actual treatment for pedophilia? I imagine that you can't "cure" someone of it any more than you can cure someone of their attraction to a particular sex, so the social stigma that's been created around it is actually pretty troubling. Or closest genetic relatives, the bonobos, exhibit sexual behavior between essentially every member of their society, regardless of gender, age, relation, etc. Assuming we're having a rational discussion, it's seems reasonable to assume that many humans may have similar natural instincts/urges. Of course, we now live in a society with a notion of psychological harm and of consent, and we've decided that many of our instincts and urges should not ever be acted upon. I would say that anyone who seriously suggests killing people for their desires, is in fact acting out one of their own primitive and undesirable traits. Of course, actual rapists are terrible and should be dealt with, but we have a special kind of irrationality when talking about those that victimize children. If just thinking about committing a crime or suppressing an urge to commit an immoral act made us worthy of punishment, we'd all be in trouble. The severity of the crime not committed should not really matter.
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Sardine Wit posted:I think there would be lots of ways as a society we could let pedophiles work through and cope with their lovely sexuality without putting kids at risk - and I'm sure there's lots of pedophiles out there who are coping fine pretending they're asexuals while not raping anyone. I don't really have an issue with 'em. Yeah, it seems like something to be compassionate about and pity in a 'wow, that is some lovely luck' sort if way. It seems highly unlikely that anyone would in any way choose to have an abominable and morally unfulfillable preference. It in no way justifies rape, which is a whole other issue.
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Sep 28, 2015 18:27
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Series DD Funding posted:Also asking whether something is really a choice is incoherent unless you believe free will exists Perhaps, but our legal system does assume that, and pretty much any ethical discussion must also. I'd ask what your point was, but I know you simply had no choice but to post.
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Black Baby Goku posted:[Crime] (huge number of [group I hate] indulge in this) harms children. Ipso Facto, kill them all. Are you also in favor of killing people who look at videos of adult rape including drunken sex, and people who watch 'rekd' type videos of people being killed in various ways? Consuming ISIS videos = death. sure sounds like a reasonable position to me! Of course, your position actually extends further to people who even enjoy watching simulated murder, so everyone who has ever watched Murder, She Wrote has to die, sorry Nana, you sick gently caress.
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Sep 29, 2015 13:47
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Kajeesus posted:
I don't disagree, just checking for consistency. I'm also not convinced that poster is being facetious, if so, they are parroting the views of many who are not. I am in no way supporting, condoning, or apologizing for child porn or other criminal actions, just aghast at the idea that thoughts or desires themselves should be criminalized or punished. A Buttery Pastry posted:You're being retarded here. I know I shouldn't expect much from someone who still uses that word as a pejorative, but kindly explain why punishment for desire of a criminal act is OK for some crimes but not others.
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Sep 29, 2015 16:10
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Sardine Wit posted:Animate/drawn/written erotica is a tricky thing. Maybe something to be made illegal but decriminalised? Or perhaps something that is controlled via a psychologist or something where you can only access it legally if you are enrolled in a treatment/monitoring program. This really sets off my first amendment alarms. The only need for freedom of speech is to protect socially unacceptable speech. I could see banning things like grooming guides, but works of fiction, regardless of content.. Eeh. Again, simulated crimes are a huge percentage of media, erotic or otherwise.
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If it was a legitimate shitpost, the mods have a way of shutting that whole thing down.
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Sep 30, 2015 19:19
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Cugel the Clever posted:The power of the taboo is such that even challenging the lovely status quo raises eyebrows: "She doesn't want to lynch every single person who has disgusting thoughts about 9-year-olds?? I'll bet she's one of them.". Something needs to change, but, as someone stated up thread, who the gently caress is going to stick their head out when the social consequences are so high? What's really nuts is that many people have the same reaction to some adult guy getting wood from seeing a teenager with fully developed secondary sexual characteristics as to someone who literally raped a toddler or something. This is so absurd on its face it pretty much has be a socially acceptable righteous indignation anger outlet.
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Oct 1, 2015 17:33
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Control Volume posted:So what is your opinion on "ephebophilia" Had to look that up. Sounds like a difference blown out of proportion by internet idiots and trolls.
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Oct 1, 2015 19:45
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Nevvy Z posted:Some teenagers are also adults. Other teenagers are considered to be above the age of consent. So yes, in many circumstances adults getting wood from teenagers is actually perfectly ok. People get wood from shoes and goats and two dimensional images. None of these are things we could even potentially reproduce with. There is no value judgement which is appropriate. It just happens to be the case. Your body does not know or care in what year someone was born. It cares if they have pleasing characteristics. Anyone who says they couldn't possibly be physically aroused by anyone who is a teenager is either a liar or has a very specific and powerful fetish of their own. Edit: or an imbecile This is an entirely sperate issue from rape or any other type of assault. I wonder if this same argument happens in countries where the arbitrary age of consent is different, but with a different line in the sand for normal vs total sicko
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Oct 1, 2015 19:55
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Bifner McDoogle posted:The entire basis kicking off his conversation is completely ridiculous. How the gently caress can you have a conversation about pedophilia that kicks off with ways to help pedophiles as opposed to ways to prevent them from having victims or ways to circumvent the family circles that defend pedophiles. . Having a paraphilia is not, and should not be, a crime. Defense, such as it was, was for human beings who happen to have unfortunate predilections, yet have committed no crimes. There is overblown outrage at the very existence of these people, and calls for their death or castration or imprisonment or other sanctions based only on an irrational (and supposed high-moral-ground) insistence that they are simply too dangerous to be allowed to live, unlike the murder obsessed people making the claims. Aside from being evil, this rhetoric is extremely counterproductive if the goal is protecting children rather than righteous fury at a socially acceptable other. No one in this thread, no one at all, has remotely suggested that treatment for pedophiles or treatment OF pedophiles is more important or even close to equally as important as protecting innocents or bringing rapists to justice. Some people are just falling all over themselves in their haste to announce their utter hatred for a subgroup of humanity and haven't even grasped the argument. Nothing unusual there, at least.
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Oct 2, 2015 02:08
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Robotnik Nudes posted:Majority of Goddamn Thread: hey don't argue with Black baby Goku he's a troll. Internet arguments are rarely about convincing your interlocutor. There are usually way more than ten times as many people just lurking and reading. I rarely catch up on good d&d threads these days, so don't post much, but I still appreciate well crafted arguments and not letting bullshit slide. Sometimes it's frustrating wanting to pick up a dropped point or call out un-called-out bullshit, but when you're a hundred pages behind, it'd usually be counterproductive at best. Got on on the ground floor of this one, so I post. Yes, the guy in the OP is a creepy poo poo, but a tale of a nice guy goon who presses up against grown women (or men) in the subway or watches yoga classes through a crack in the wall or puts cameras on their shoes would be similarly awful. The awfulness is in the violations of agency more than the targets, and only idiots would be categorically attacking all hereto (or homo)sexuals about it because a pervert posted a misguided screed
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Funky See Funky Do posted:I don't know if I quite buy that. I'll give you it's possible but were it true you'd imagine pederasty being practised by every society until something came along to make them decide it was a taboo. It would also mean that homosexuality or even heterosexuality can be socialised away and I think if we've learned anything over the past few thousand years it's that it absolutely cannot be. Humans obviously have all sorts of urges society has deemed bad, as shown by the bloodthirsty misanthropy evident every day on the news (and in this thread). I think it is likely that humans naturally have a much wider range of inborn lust than is societally acceptable, which explains all sorts of paraphilias. There is little biological (evolutionarily relevant) cost in males inseminating everything in sight, and the substantial genetic benefit of possible reproduction. This doesnt mean society should accept pederasty (or other rape, or bestially or whatever), but it seems morally neutral for the person with the urge to simply have the urge. Look how many more people are suddenly LGBTQQFOMGBBQWTF now that society even marginally accepts it. They always were, generally, but hid it. Stigmatizing it to the degree we do means we can't even understand it, just blindly hate it and act out in the most uninformed, reactionary, and probably counterproductive ways.
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