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The NFC East is so bad this year it killed nrr. RIP. I probably would've died from last night's game if I hadn't drunkenly fallen asleep and forgotten to watch it.
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The Giants should be filthy on offense once Cruz becomes healthy right? Beckham, good Eli, and Cruz should be very, very good.
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Chromatic posted:The Giants should be filthy on offense once Cruz becomes healthy right? Beckham, good Eli, and Cruz should be very, very good. depends a lot on health to be honest. They can't run the ball to save their lives but the last time Eli had WR's of this caliber (2011) he threw for 5000 yards and carried them to the superbowl with the worst running game in the league anyway. Obviously that's assuming Cruz can be something like 80% of the Cruz of old. Their best lineman (Will Beatty) hasn't suited up yet this year due to a pec injury before OTAs but might come back sometime in October. And rookie Erick Flowers has looked awesome but missed tonight and parts of the first 2 games with an ankle injury that hopefully won't linger. If Beatty and Flowers can get on the field at the same time I actually think the Giants' OL might be above average for the first time in the last 5+ years. They might even be able to run the ball a bit at that point. Game tonight went how I expected until the clowny 4th quarter bullshit came up. Skins' D played cover 3 and quarters all game and dared the Giants to either run (which they did to a blazing 3.1 YPC) or throw short, which Eli did most of the game. Couple drives died due to bad drops by Donnell and Vereen but on the whole the offense continued to move the ball well and stall out in the red zone like usual. Eli looked sharp as he has for most of the first 3 games. They had a much needed Reuben Randle sighting. Dude still refuses to attack a ball in the air but if he plays like tonight and minimizes fuckups that's all the Giants really need. Just a dude who can exist and occasionally make plays against single coverage on the outside. Defense still looks sketchy but with all the dudes who are missing on that side of the ball I can't complain too much. Spags is doing better than I thought he would with not a ton of talent. Really the NFC East looks so lovely that the Giants are right in the thick of things. I don't think they're an elite team even at full health, but they do have some of the elements of a team that can get poo poo done in the playoffs if they get some guys back. Very wishful thinking though. Just glad they finally closed a game out.
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Sep 25, 2015 10:16
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The giants look like they suck and everybody is injured but the division blows and there's just enough talent on the team that if they scrape their way to a division win and get healthy at the right time just like in 2011.... The pats could even come out of the AFC again. I don't think the giants voodoo strikes for a third time but it's nice to dream  e: suck is being too hyperbolic I guess. They look pretty good but mistake-prone on offense and mediocre-to-below-average on defense. troofs fucked around with this message at 11:24 on Sep 25, 2015 |
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Sep 25, 2015 11:20
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If Giants fans keep invoking the 2011 postseason I'm gonna be the one to die next Bradshaw fumbled
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Menamino posted:depends a lot on health to be honest. They can't run the ball to save their lives but the last time Eli had WR's of this caliber (2011) he threw for 5000 yards and carried them to the superbowl with the worst running game in the league anyway. Obviously that's assuming Cruz can be something like 80% of the Cruz of old. I am pleased with our mini Polamalu in Unga....but I almost had a heart attack when Prince when to the sideline. Beason's presence was felt this game but we still can't play the seams or the flats for poo poo. Today's win was really good but we aren't going to be able to dink and dunk against every team in the nfl. Cruz if he comes back at a real capacity will allow us to do a lot more things on offense and thats good. One win at a time.
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Sep 25, 2015 12:53
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@MichaelDavSmith Kirk Cousins, Colt McCoy and RG3 all have exactly 23 career interceptions. Cousins: 514 attempts McCoy: 831 attempts RG3: 1,063 attempts
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Sep 25, 2015 13:38
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Kirk Cousins is bad and it makes me so happy.
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Sep 25, 2015 13:50
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How many of those QBs will be on Washington's roster next year?
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Sep 25, 2015 14:07
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NFC East is trash and I am Real Sad that nrr died. 
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Sep 25, 2015 14:08
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I think the funniest possible outcome is if Weeden is actually watchable at QB because he's playing behind the OL of the gods and gets 30 seconds a play. Basically 2007 Derek Anderson it up. Then some moron GM overpays him and he instantly turns back into a pumpkin because he's 100 years old and makes his reads in geological time.
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Sep 25, 2015 14:09
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I smell a new Washington QB!
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commy gun posted:Kirk Cousins is bad and it makes me so happy. Been saying this since preseason.
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That Works posted:Been saying this since preseason. Been saying since...huh, hard to keep track of time in the abyss.
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Ozu posted:@MichaelDavSmith @MichaelDavSmith Kirk Cousins: 23 career interceptions in 514 pass attempts. JaMarcus Russell: 23 career interceptions in 680 pass attempts.
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Sep 25, 2015 14:24
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Kalli posted:@MichaelDavSmith 
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Kalli posted:@MichaelDavSmith Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh i'm so close to finishing. The Giants continue to be a bad team that's incapable of consistent execution. I'm willing to blame a lot of that on injuries, hopefully things get better when all of the players are back.
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Sep 25, 2015 14:34
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Quite honestly, if the Giants could have avoided one of their stupid-rear end meltdowns in the first two weeks, I'd be pretty happy with their performance to this point. Not sure they're good, but they're decent, which is better than I thought they'd be coming into the year.
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Kalli posted:@MichaelDavSmith In case anyone was wondering that puts Cousins at #8 overall for fewest attempts to 23 interceptions since 1980. The only guys ahead of him I even recognize are Tom Tupa and Alex Van Pelt. I guess I've heard the name Don Strock, who managed to throw 25 picks in just 448 attempts. e: Man scrolling through that list and it's just a QB dumpster fire + a few guys who were kind of ok in a backup role like Matt Moore and Damon Huard. Grittybeard fucked around with this message at 14:50 on Sep 25, 2015 |
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Sep 25, 2015 14:45
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Remember when people were saying that Kirk Cousins was so bad last time he got benched for Colt McCoy and we heard lots of stuff about how he's worked on his game / his upsides? 
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Grittybeard posted:The only guys ahead of him I even recognize are Tom Tupa and Alex Van Pelt. I guess I've heard the name Don Strock, who managed to throw 25 picks in just 448 attempts. Note that Tom Tupa was a punter and backup QB who was thrust into the starters role for the Cardinals in 1991 and put in a very, very bad performance. Then he stuck around as a punter for another 13 years.
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axeil posted:NFC East is trash and I am Real Sad that nrr died. New av is awesome. That fumble in the Giants end zone left me laughing for like a minute straight. NFC East is real bad. Brannigans Law fucked around with this message at 14:58 on Sep 25, 2015 |
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Sep 25, 2015 14:56
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Gruden hates RG3 so much he is willing to play Kirk Cousins every single game. That's a kind of hate that's dedicated.
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Sep 25, 2015 14:57
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"We got the best QB in since Peyton, and we will flip Cousins for a 1st round pick....maybe twooooo 1st round picks" - Skins fans, 2012ish
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Sep 25, 2015 14:58
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Kalli posted:@MichaelDavSmith Now that's knowing how to qb an offense!!
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Kalli posted:Note that Tom Tupa was a punter and backup QB who was thrust into the starters role for the Cardinals in 1991 and put in a very, very bad performance. Oops I just realized staring at Ryan Leaf's 36 interceptions (on 14 TD passes) that it doesn't mean Cousins was the 8th fastest to get there with that criteria. I'm not sure if there's a way to make PFR search for least attempts to 23 since the beginning of their career or not. My god Leaf was amazingly bad. He doesn't make Jamarcus look good but there's really no argument about who was worse.
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Ozu posted:@MichaelDavSmith It really makes me happy when stupid coaches get the exact result everyone but them could see coming.
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NC-17 posted:It really makes me happy when stupid coaches get the exact result everyone but them could see coming. Up next: Mike Pettine discovers the true value of veteran poise.
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Brannigans Law posted:New av is awesome. Aw thank you. Didn't you used to have an av? What happened to that? I honestly think projecting 7 wins for the division winner is being a bit too bullish on the East. I wanna see a 6-10 winner and if it's not the Eagles I want it to be the Giants and have them win the Super Bowl. Again.
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Sep 25, 2015 15:21
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Why not just watch RG3 continue to stink it up?
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Gotta start Kirk Cousins because he throws interceptions in a pro style offense better than RG3.
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Kalli posted:Note that Tom Tupa was a punter and backup QB who was thrust into the starters role for the Cardinals in 1991 and put in a very, very bad performance. Rick Mirer, in comparison, threw 2 INTs with a 2.5 Y/A. Rick Mirer was a worse QB than a punter.
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Listening to sound bites from Gruden's post game, "Kirk was fine." Looks at interception where he throws it right to a Giants DB. Checks out.
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whatever. rg3 still sucks but he costs more if he gets hurt. Its cool that this'll lead to another week of "gruden picked the wrong qb!!!!" That's totally dope. Rip nrr, if only you were able to see chip get fired.
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John Brown posted:Why not just watch RG3 continue to stink it up? I think it's because Gruden was brought in as an "offensive mind" and someone who could RG3 to play like the QB he could be. He has since learned RG3 is bad, and Dan Snyder is worse. By not playing him, when Snyder cans him he can throw up his hands at the next round of interviews and say "Look at what I had in Washington! Our best QB was Cousins!" And he can go back to being an O coordinator for 5 years. Edit: Also the money / injury thing. Gruden has literally no reason to play RG3 fired or not fired.
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RG3 isn't good, but he's definitely better than anything else on the QB roster in Washington. They could've ridden him into the ground if they hadn't picked up the option, but since they did, they'll tank and end up winning whatever QB we're all supposed to be excited about in next years draft.
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The option is only guaranteed for injury, correct? So if they've decided they want to move on from him after this year, not playing him is definitely the smart thing to do, no matter how much worse the alternative players are.
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I'm glad we won but I still came away from last night thinking the Giants still suck. We almost had another 4th quarter meltdown and if Reuben hadn't caught that TD we'd have been in serious trouble. Then Randle went and almost hosed up two separate onside kick attempts, one saved by Vereen, one saved by a good bounce. We still have no pass rush whatsoever, I know we were missing Ayers but it's still pathetic. A better QB would have picked us apart, Cousins had loads of time but still missed wide open receivers. It was nice to see OBJ is still super human, and seeing Randle do things is nice, but Randle had a game and will now go into hibernation for two, as Randle does. Fells is a better TE than Donnell, Larry Donnell can't catch a loving ball or hold onto a ball when he does catch it, everytime he touches it I wince and await the sweet embrace of death. Last night he caught a pass and did the weirdest move I've ever seen anyone do when expecting contact. https://vine.co/v/exm2XrtP73F The O-line is better than I expect it to be for all the injuries and shuffling we keep having to do. Eli is mitigating it somewhat by being extremely quick with his releases, but they've protected him better than expected (expected was really bad). Eli is having a decent start, 4 TDs isn't a lot but he has yet to throw a pick in 3 games, which might be an Eli record. Run game sucks but that's par for the course after like half a decade of this. The Giants run game sucking is almost as cannon now as having no linebackers. Linebackers are meh. Unga has 2 INTS (both off of tips) but good QBs have picked on him a lot because he's slow in the brain in coverage. Kennard is quick but hasn't been as impactful as hoped. Landon Collins looks like he could one day be pretty drat good, so I'm happy with that pickup. Him and Meriweather have held the safety situation down better than expected, but they are still not great. The one thing I am genuinely impressed with is the Run defense. our run D is legit. Skins came in with the best Run game in the NFL (for two weeks but still) and we shut them down and never let them do Skins ball (Run the opponent into submission and minimize how many times Kirk throws). Looking at the rest of our schedule I'm glad we are playing the NFC south because the AFC east is going to kick our rear end.
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