Saudi Arabia set to crucify a teenager today for critizing the government

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http://usuncut.com/world/today-saudi-arabia-will-crucify-teenager-protesting-government/

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Saudi Arabia, which was just admitted to the UN�s Human Rights Council days ago, will imminently behead and then crucify Ali Mohammed al-Nimr � a young man who encouraged pro-democracy demonstrations during the Arab Spring in 2012, when he was just 17 years old.

The great US ally does it again!

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No prominent American official has spoken out against the Saudi government�s sentence. When press asked the US State Department�s spokesman for his thoughts on al-Nimr�s case, he claimed that he was �not aware of the trial� despite international outrage. When asked about Saudi Arabia�s controversial appointment to head a key UN human rights panel, the US spokesman replied, �We would welcome it. We�re close allies.�

The US and Saudi Arabia have been close allies for decades � the US has approved over $90 billion in weapons sales to Saudi Arabia since 2010. In 2014 alone, the US approved over $2.2 billion in weapons sales to Saudi Arabia.

Many of these weapons are now being used by Saudi Arabia in its invasion of Yemen � and is committing the attacks with intelligence and logistical support from the US. Both Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch have accused Saudi Arabia of committing war crimes in its invasion.

Saudi Arabia�s campaign in Yemen has killed over 2,100 civilians and displaced over 1.4 million people, with 13 million Yemenis now food insecure. The invasion has caused 21 million people to be denied life-sustaining goods and services. Saudi Arabia further exacerbates Yemen�s humanitarian crisis with its naval blockade, which restricts access to humanitarian aid.

Al-Nimr�s execution would be far from Saudi Arabia�s first: according to Amnesty International, Saudi Arabia ranks #3 among the world�s top 5 executioners in 2014 (the US ranked #5). Since 1985, Saudi Arabia has executed over 2,200 people for �crimes� including sorcery, witchcraft, adultery, and drug possession. Most of these executions were carried out in the form of a public beheading, though some were carried out by firing squad.

The Leahy Law prohibits the US government from providing military aid to countries guilty of �a gross violation of human rights�; however, the US continues to arm Saudi Arabia in clear violation of this prohibition.

Hopefully the flags will be kept at half mast and great cries of condolence arrive from our government, as they did after the passing of the last fundamentalist dictator.

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Tezzor: Jul 29, 2013; Can't post for 3 years!

Egypt's coup government which carried out the executions you refer to is also a US ally

# ¿ Sep 28, 2015 17:19

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Main Paineframe posted:

Sure, what's your point? Based on the title and very limited OP of this thread, I expected you to be criticizing Saudi Arabia's human rights record, not halfassedly calling out the US for supporting Bad People.

The point of underlining the hideousness of our close allies is to demonstrate that US foreign policy is actually not based in following any higher principles, which unfortunately many in this country still believe, and many in this forum claim to not believe until they see some atrocity on the news and start demanding a new war

# ¿ Sep 28, 2015 19:16

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Fojar38 posted:

It's the Chomsky school of moral criticism. Something is only worth criticizing if it can be Kevin Bacon'd back to the USA.

That we sell Saudi Arabia billions in weapons, support them in the UN, send our troops in to defend them when threatened, kiss their feet when their leaders travel here and release weeping official statements when their dictators die is hardly an obscure connection

# ¿ Sep 28, 2015 19:19

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NoEyedSquareGuy posted:

Why would you behead first and then crucify? Why not crucify him for a day or two and then finish it off with a beheading?

It's an intentional show of disrespect and brutality

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http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-saudi-prince-arrest-beverly-hills-20150924-story.html

A Saudi prince who allegedly tried to force a female worker to perform a sex act on him inside a Beverly Glen residence has now been accused of attacking other women in the home, according to Los Angeles police and court records.

Majed Abdulaziz Al-Saud, 29, was arrested Wednesday on suspicion of forced oral copulation of an adult.

Police said Friday that they are investigating claims that Al-Saud also preyed on other women on the estate.
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Detectives �found more victims who were also alleging crimes against Mr. Al-Saud,� Officer Drake Madison said.

Al-Saud, 28, was detained by police for hours Wednesday afternoon as officers investigated a reported disturbance inside the 22,000-square-foot residence about 12:45 p.m., Madison said.

He was held on suspicion of false imprisonment, sexual assault and battery. He was booked on suspicion of forcing the oral copulation of a worker inside the residence, Madison said. He could not be reached for comment Friday.

A civil lawsuit filed in L.A. County Superior Court on Friday claims he attacked other women inside the home for several days.

The suit, filed by three women only identified as Jane Does, accuses him of �extreme,� �outrageous,� and �despicable� behavior that started Monday and ended in his arrest.

http://boingboing.net/2015/09/26/have-you-seen-the-saudi-prince.html

The 'despicable' Saudi prince accused of sexually assaulting 'multiple women' over 3 days in a $37 million Beverly Hills compound has disappeared.

Majed Abdulaziz Al-Saud, 29, was arrested Wednesday on suspicion of forced oral copulation of an adult, but was soon out of jail on $300,000 bail--even as other women came forward to say they too were sexually assaulted by a globe-trotting predator, and held against their will.

The U.S. State Department and the Los Angeles Police Department's special consul division have both said Al-Saud does not appear to have diplomatic immunity.

Where is the prince now? The Los Angeles Times reporter who broke the story doesn't have an answer yet, and neither does anyone else who's talking. Best guess? He's long since out of Los Angeles, on a private jet headed back home to Riyadh. He has an October 19 court date in LA, and I'd agree that it's too early to tell what, if anything, will happen on that date.

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Smudgie Buggler posted:

Sorry, remind me what part of any Western nation's foreign policy made Saudi Arabia execute a kid in an exceptionally brutal fashion for being in favour of democracy.

http://jackofkent.com/2015/10/an-odd-exclusive-the-home-office-has-a-mou-with-saudi-arabia-which-it-is-keeping-quiet/

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An odd �exclusive� � the Home Office has a MoU with Saudi Arabia about which it is keeping quiet.

In researching around the Ministry of Justice�s Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) with the Saudis, I came across a curious piece of information.

According to a 2015 Foreign and Commonwealth Office report, the Home Office signed a Memorandum of Understanding with the Saudi interior ministry in March 2014:

�In March, the Home Secretary, Theresa May, signed a MoU with her Saudi counterpart to help modernise the Ministry of the Interior, which draws on UK expertise in the wider security and policing arena. This will complement work going on between the College of Policing and a range of Saudi security bodies.�

The remarkable thing is that � other than this mention on the FCO website (and that is in an fairly obscure report) � there appears to be no public mention by the government at all of this document.

It may well be that the FCO mention is a fortuitous-sort-of-accident and that the MoU was never intended to be known about publicly.

But the MoU is an important document: the UK Home Office is formally assisting the police in one of the most repressive regimes in the world.

As this blog has previously set out: the Saudi regime is, without any exaggeration, barbaric. Criminal offences are not defined; there is no recognisable due process for defendants; and the punishments are savage. And this description is not just some hyperbole of a breathless human rights lawyer: it is what the UK embassy in Riyadh itself says in its chilling Information Pack for British Prisoners in Saudi Arabia. On punishments, the guide says:

�Criminal law punishments in Saudi Arabia include public beheading, stoning, amputation and lashings. Serious criminal offences include not only internationally recognized crimes such as murder, rape, theft and robbery, but also apostasy, adultery, witchcraft and sorcery. In addition to the regular police force, Saudi Arabia has a secret police, the Mabahith, and �religious� police, the Mutawa. The Saudi courts impose a number of severe physical punishments. The death penalty can be imposed for a wide range of offences including murder, rape, armed robbery, repeated drug use, apostasy, adultery, witchcraft and sorcery and can be carried out by beheading with a sword, stoning or firing squad, followed by crucifixion.�

That is the regime our Home Office is formally assisting.

But it seems the Home Office do not want you to know about it all; it is nowhere on the Home Office site, and so far as I can see, it is not mentioned anywhere else.

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I asked the Home Office press office about this MoU today, and their answers were as follows:

Q: Can you confirm whether the FCO statement is correct?

A: �The information on the FCO website is accurate.�

Q: Can you confirm whether the Home Office-Saudi MoU is still in force?

A: �The Home Office does have an MoU with the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. The MoU remains in effect.�

Q: Is it possible to get a general statement on the MoU?

A: �There is nothing to add regarding this MoU beyond the information already available on the Gov.uk website.�

On the last answer, I asked as a follow-on:

The third answer is ambiguous: is there information on the Gov.UK website on the MoU other than at that FCO link? If so, may I have links to that publicly available information?

To which the response was:

A: ��just to be clear; I was referring to the information you have already highlighted.�

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So: there is a Memorandum of Understanding between the UK Home Office and Saudi Arabia; the Memorandum of Understanding covers serious matters; the Memorandum of Understanding means UK policing expertise is given so as to assist the police in a notoriously repressive regime; and the Memorandum of Understanding remains in force.

But left to the Home Office you would not even know it existed.

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