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freebooter posted:Hang on. 10 million is nearly 50% our current population and would be completely unprecedented. I don't know about it lowering our own standard of living, but we certainly wouldn't be able to adequately house 10 million refugees in any kind of decent standard.
"Where do we draw the line" and "oh you think we should just let everybody in" are stupid racist arguments, but speculating on the upper cap of new arrivals you can successfully integrate per year is an interesting thought experiment.
I'm obviously talking about refugees here, who arrive with nothing and require state care for a while. Forgive me if you're talking about general immigration.
Here let me Google that for you:
"Completely unprecedented" Complete bollocks more like it.
http://www.australia.gov.au/about-australia/australian-story/changing-face-of-modern-australia-1950s-to-1970s
quote:After the Second World War (1939–45) the Australian government committed to a vigorous and sustained immigration program. The purpose of this ambitious program was to meet labour shortages, protect Australia from external threat and create prosperity. As a result, from 1945 to 1975 Australia's population almost doubled from 7˝ million to 13 million. About 3 million migrants and refugees arrived.
http://www.sbs.com.au/gold/story.php?storyid=49
quote:n March 1851, Victoria’s population was 80,000, not including Aborigines. By 1854 the population tripled to 237,000 and by 1861 it had doubled again to 540,000. The New South Wales gold fields were poorer but the state’s population increased from 200,000 in 1851 to 357,000 in 1861.
General educational information
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-04-21/carvalho-why-migrants-may-be-our-greatest-economic-asset/6409042
Now what a total sustainable population for Australia is, what a sensible rate of population growth is and what immigration level is necessary to continue the consumerist poo poo pool we all know and love are all interesting questions. The proposition that  more immigration is bad for the disadvantaged is not well founded and would probably only be possible if we kept doing socially regressive things like this current mob of substantially white male clowns are.
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http://www.brw.com.au/lists/rich-200/2015/
But what if people find out? Clearly the BRW are in league with the people smugglers kidnappers. It's like we are living in a bad Liberal Club university revue.
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Lmao the Australian Border Force logo and flags are all over Brisbane International Airport. Are they the A-Team or something?
Did you have to go through separate, extra security in Brisbane where they re-scan all of your laptops and poo poo a second, more annoying time because BORDER FORCE like they do at Coolangatta?
Speaking of productivity. Remember kiddies everytime a muppet like Westacott bleats about increasing productivity :
Well that and the most clearly obvious way to drastically improve productivity in Australia is to improve the performance of executives, middle managers and managers. Full details here: https://thisisseriouscom.wordpress.com/2012/12/06/the-gist/
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Now I don't think we can look forward to another LNP face plant like last month to save this thread so can we please try to keep a little signal inside the noise? tia.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-02/cassidy-abbotts-self-indulgent-and-damaging-farewell-radio-tour/6820304
The flames are all long gone
But the pain lingers on
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/latest-news/cut-abbott-some-slack-cormann/story-fn3dxiwe-1227553364313
quote:Cut Abbott some slack: Cormann AAP OCTOBER 02, 2015 8:22AM
A senior colleague denies former leader Tony Abbott is starting to destabilise the government. ONE of Tony Abbott's senior colleagues believes people should cut the former prime minister some slack. THE deposed Liberal leader took to radio again on Thursday declaring he always knew Malcolm Turnbull didn't want to be somebody else's minister, at the same time as his successor was hosting a mini-economic summit.
Finance Minister Mathias Cormann denied Mr Abbott was starting to destabilise the government, telling ABC radio on Friday: "I think that we all should just cut him a bit of slack". EDIT - Corrupt Cabinet secretary Arthur Sinodinos offered up the advice given to John Howard in 1989 and Mr Turnbull in 2009 when they contemplated whether to leave politics. "If you feel you've still got a contribution to make to politics, by all means do so," he told Mr Abbott via ABC radio. "If you leave politics feeling you haven't fulfilled your potential or everything you could have done, that is a worse feeling." 
"I want to see those ashen-faced performances; I want more of them. I want to be encouraged. I want to see you squirm out of this load of rubbish over a number of months."  I shouldn't be getting such a kick out of this should I.
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I'm kind of curious what Abbott will do with himself if/when he leaves parliament. He's immensely unpopular, incompetent and inarticulate, so he's unlikely to get stuff like consultancy gigs, opinion columns and speaking tours. Guy Rundle suggested that he'd start doing a lot of charity fitness stuff, and that I can believe, but he's not the type to resign himself ONLY to those.
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This is how you de-radicalise people.
The killing of a completely unsuspecting police employee is pointless and there can never be any justification. So what about all the completely unsuspecting civilians killed by our armed forces? If we were to take up an accounting of it I think the scales would tip irrevocably against us.
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As with the Lindt siege speculation is both unworthy and ultimately disrespectful to the people involved.
http://www.lindtinquest.justice.nsw.gov.au/
Hard to draw conclusions about even that yet because, unfortunately it is still ongoing.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-26/experts-divided-over-sydney-siege-as-terrorism-or-mental-illness/6726772
quote:Sydney siege inquest: Experts divided on whether Lindt Cafe attack was terrorism or result of mental illness By Jessica Kidd Updated 26 Aug 2015, 4:35pm
Key points:
Three experts agreed Monis's mental state played significant role in attack
Professor Clarke Jones said Monis acted out of need to belong; Professor Greg Barton said the attack was an act of terrorism
Professor Rodger Shanahan said siege had more to do with mental health than terrorism
"I wonder if they had accepted his membership, whether we would be here today," he told the inquest.
Experts are split on whether Sydney siege gunman Man Haron Monis was a terrorist or whether he was acting as a result of mental illness, an inquest has heard. Three terrorism experts have given evidence at the inquest into the Lindt cafe siege and all agreed that Monis's mental state played a significant role in his decision to attack in December 2014.
Professor Clarke Jones from the Australian National University told the inquest he believed Monis was acting out of a need to belong and had demonstrated this desire when he tried to join the Rebels bikie gang in the months before the siege. Professor Jones said that may be why Monis claimed he was attacking Australia on behalf of the so-called Islamic State. "I think he saw Islamic State as the one organisation that might accept him," he said. Islamic extremism and counter-terrorism expert Professor Greg Barton told the inquest he believed the siege was an act of terrorism but he said that, compared with other lone-wolf terrorists, Monis was unusual. "Even in the context of lone-wolf attacks, this one was an outlier," he said. But Professor Barton said that when compared with other lone-wolf terrorists, such as Norwegian gunman Anders Breivik or the American Unabomber Ted Kaczynski, Monis was not "consistent in articulating a manifest or position".
I think the state of his mental health was relevant to the siege he carried out and I'm of the opinion it was not a terrorist act. - National security expert Professor Rodger Shanahan
Professor Barton conceded that Monis was suffering from mental health issues and was the kind of person Islamic State sought to exploit. "It goes after anyone who can join, it goes after damaged goods," he told the inquest. I think we should expect more unstable, complex individuals to emerge."
National security expert Professor Rodger Shanahan backed the theory that the siege had more to do with mental health than terrorism. Professor Shanahan told the inquest that Monis would have been under considerable stress in the days before the siege when he lost a High Court application for leave to challenge his conviction for sending offensive letters to the families of dead Australian soldiers. Professor Shanahan said that loss, combined with Monis's schizophrenia and the fact he was facing criminal charges of sexual assault and being an accessory to murder, would have "piled up" on him. "I think the state of his mental health was relevant to the siege he carried out and I'm of the opinion it was not a terrorist act," he told the inquest. "It's a great deal of stress on someone who has a violent past."
Identities of prosecutors to remain secret
Meanwhile the identities of two public prosecutors, who unsuccessfully tried to keep Monis behind bars, will remain secret after journalists lost their bid to overturn a non-publication order.
A number of media organisations, including ABC News, challenged a non-publication order banning the identification of two solicitors who handled Monis's criminal case on behalf of the NSW Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP). One solicitor, who has already given evidence at the inquest into the Sydney siege, unsuccessfully opposed bail for Monis on a charge of being an accessory to the murder of his ex-wife in December 2013. The second solicitor, who is expected to give evidence at the inquest on Thursday, advised against opposing bail when Monis appeared in court on 40 sexual assault charges just two months before last year's siege. Counsel acting on behalf of the media, Daoud Subtain, argued it was in the public interest to publish the names of the two men. "The media are the eyes and ears of the public," he told the inquest. "They are entitled to report on what occurs."
Counsel assisting the inquest, Jeremy Gormly, supported the argument that it was in the public interest to lift the non-publication order. "It cannot ever be that mere embarrassment or mere pain arising from being involved in public proceedings is a factor in the public interest," he said. But counsel for the DPP, David Buchanan, told the inquest the release of the prosecutor's names could undermine public confidence in their office. "The efficient functioning of the office and the administration of justice in the region is best served if people ... have confidence in the office and its duty to perform its functions," he said. The inquest also heard that the welfare of the two prosecutors could suffer if their names were released, and that could discourage other witnesses from cooperating fully with the inquest. State coroner Michael Barnes dismissed the challenge and ruled to keep the men's identities a secret.
The inquest continues.
If Farhad Jabar Khali Mohammad was a terrorist then it shows just how close to the bottom of the barrel IS are. They were quick to claim credit for similar pointless killings in Bangladesh.
Clearly I know gently caress all about his connections with the 'Death Cult' but they are not particularly apparent yet and certainly haven't been established in Monis' case. I worry that the definition of terrorist just took a considerable turn for the ugly* and will be marking the cards of any supposed jounalist or politician who runs with it. They don't know.
* Broad to the point of the ridiculous.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-02/teenager-jailed-for-at-least-five-years-over-anzac-day-plot/6824752
But these days over reaction is pretty much a norm.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-04-20/melbourne-counterterrorism-raids-plot-to-kill-police-officer/6407586
I haven't seen all the evidence but really, "The boy was only 14 when he masterminded the plot, to carry out a suicide attack on police officers at the parade, from his bedroom in northern England." If only he had had more land 
Scott Morrison encourages states to let private sector run schools and hospitals
The finance minister, Mathias Cormann, says the idea would include providers competing with each other to deliver better health services
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Regarding the shooting, I'm mostly just disappointed that the conservatives got what they wanted. They deliberately alienate and isolate the communities involved by branding them terrorists and then get the attacks they wanted so they can brand it as terrorism. It's frightening how easily they pulled it off.
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The debate in this thread about the NSW shooting is so cute. The offender is on CCTV running up and down out front of the building yelling, "Allah akbar".
You dumb cunts need to stop shoving your heads up your asses in the name of political correctness and call a spare a spade. It's terrorism related.
quote:terrorism
ˈtɛrərɪzəm/Submit
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the unofficial or unauthorized use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.
Seems to be a disconnect here. Perhaps you can enlighten me.
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Please refer to legal definition of terrorism.
Do your own homework.
quote:(1) Any person commits an offence within the meaning of this Convention if that person, by any means, unlawfully and intentionally, causes:
(a) Death or serious bodily injury to any person; or
(b) Serious damage to public or private property, including a place of public use, a State or government facility, a public transportation system, an infrastructure facility or the environment; or
(c) Damage to property, places, facilities, or systems referred to in paragraph 1(b) of this article, resulting or likely to result in major economic loss, when the purpose of the conduct, by its nature or context, is to intimidate a population, or to compel a Government or an international organization to do or abstain from doing an act.
So accepting this international convention conclusion (I and many others don't) You would have to prove that this was designed as an act of intimidation.
The Australian legislation is a little bit wordier:
quote:(1) In this Part: …
terrorist act means an action or threat of action where:
(a) the action falls within subsection (2) and does not fall within subsection (3); and
(b) the action is done or the threat is made with the intention of advancing a political, religious or ideological cause; and
(c) the action is done or the threat is made with the intention of:
(i) coercing, or influencing by intimidation, the government of the Commonwealth or a State, Territory or foreign country, or of part of a State, Territory or foreign country; or
(ii) intimidating the public or a section of the public.
(2) Action falls within this subsection if it:
(a) causes serious harm that is physical harm to a person; or
(b) causes serious damage to property; or
(c) causes a person’s death; or
(d) endangers a person’s life, other than the life of the person taking the action; or
(e) creates a serious risk to the health or safety of the public or a section of the public; or
(f) seriously interferes with, seriously disrupts, or destroys, an electronic system including, but not limited to:
(i) an information system; or
(ii) a telecommunications system; or
(iii) a financial system; or
(iv) a system used for the delivery of essential government services; or
(v) a system used for, or by, an essential public utility; or
(vi) a system used for, or by, a transport system.
(3) Action falls within this subsection if it:
(a) is advocacy, protest, dissent or industrial action; and
(b) is not intended:
(i) to cause serious harm that is physical harm to a person; or
(ii) to cause a person’s death; or
(iii) to endanger the life of a person, other than the person taking the action; or
(iv) to create a serious risk to the health or safety of the public or a section of the public.
(4) In this Division:
(a) a reference to any person or property is a reference to any person or property wherever situated, within or outside Australia; and
(b) a reference to the public includes a reference to the public of a country other than Australia.
So is only terrorism if "the action is done or the threat is made with the intention of advancing a political, religious or ideological cause". Now here we have some richer grounds for allowing it as terrorism, after all this is Australian Federal law. Unfortunately these laws have long been considered far to broad in their application and beg the question above:
Is everyone who commits violence in the name of a religion a terrorist?
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Did you read any of what you quoted? Your question is very clearly answered.
Clearly not, unless the violence meets at least one of the two criteria under s 5(1)(c).
Read your own poo poo.
quote:the action is done or the threat is made with the intention of:
(i) coercing, or influencing by intimidation, the government of the Commonwealth or a State, Territory or foreign country, or of part of a State, Territory or foreign country; or
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Then exactly who isn't included in this 'exclusion'. Assuming violence is an act that is likely to "coerce, or influence by intimidation".
Read my own poo poo indeed.
More over this is part of an ongoing discussion that includes the preliminary findings of Monis' coroner's inquest at which there has not yet been a consensus that that was a terrorist act. You can go and read my posts from this month for the links and commentary if you care enough.
Really the point I am trying to make is two fold.
One - Until such time as all the facts are known it is completely inappropriate to jump to any conclusions. Lets speculate that the boy in question was mentally ill and screamed 'Allah Akbar' purely because he knew it got a big reaction. Does that mean that anyone with a mental illness who attacks someone while shouting 'Allah Akbar' is a terrorist? According to EvilElmo it does.
Two - Effectively what difference does it make whether they are or they aren't, in fact, a terrorist? It isn't going to bring Curtis Cheng or Farhad Jabar back to life. It is only if this is important to our preventing a future event that such considerations matter in the slightest. People who are attempting to exploit the community reaction to instil fear and foster racial or religious intolerance are the people I have cautioned readers to watch and mark the cards of.
Are http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-05/anti-islamic-group-stage-fake-beheading-in-bendigo/6827220 these guys terrorists? They intimidated the town of Bendigo into forgoing 1/2 a million dollars in revenue.
But hey please don't pay any attention to me there are more fifteen years olds that need to be dealt with by police:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-06/student-arrested-from-parramatta-school-attended-by-15yo-gunman/6829876
quote:Parramatta shooting: Student arrested from same school attended by 15yo gunman - by David Spicer and staff - Updated 36 minutes ago
Student sits on the ground outside Arthur Phillip High in Sydney while surrounded by police.
Police in western Sydney have arrested a student on his way to Arthur Phillip High School, the same school attended by the 15-year-old who shot a man dead at Parramatta's police headquarters last week. New South Wales Police said they spoke with a teenage boy on his way to school this morning in relation to alleged posts on social media. They said the student then threatened and intimidated police and he was arrested.
It comes after Farhad Jabar shot and killed 17-year police force veteran and accountant Curtis Cheng at close range outside the Parramatta police headquarters on Friday. The Year 10 student was killed by police in front of the building after he shot dead Mr Cheng. There was a heavy police presence at the school this morning which is just metres from the scene of last week's fatal shooting. The student arrested this morning had his belongings emptied on the footpath. He was handcuffed and taken away in a police van to Parramatta Police Station.
The arrested student told the ABC that police took offence to him videoing them on his mobile phone. The ABC saw a senior police inspector looking at the content of the boy's mobile phone. Students at Arthur Phillip High School returned for the first time today since the fatal shooting last week. The NSW Department of Education is offering counselling services to students and teachers this morning. A number of students expressed their shock at the shooting incident, describing Jabar as quiet, polite and "a nice kid". Students who knew Jabar said he enjoyed playing basketball at the school.
Parents must take stronger action to deter children at risk: police
Yesterday, NSW Deputy Police Commissioner Nick Kaldas said parents with children at risk of radicalisation must take a stronger role to deter them from violent influences. He said families and the community, rather than police, were the key to stamping out terror-related violence.
Deputy Commissioner Kaldas said the reaction since the shooting showed the Muslim community abhorred such violence and some were fearful of retaliation. Police said they believed the shooting was politically motivated and was linked to terrorism. Deputy Commissioner Kaldas said police were already on high alert for the possibility of retaliatory attacks. The shooting has sparked new conversation between the Federal Government and the Muslim community about how to best tackle radicalisation and extremism here in Australia. Yesterday, prominent Muslim community leader Dr Jamal Rifi said Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull's efforts to combat the problem are a "quantum leap" from the Government's previous approach.
Now smear me with the tree hugging leftie brush all you want but what I want is an end to the violence and killings. I seek the most effective way and after extensive reading into the topic (some of which I have commentated on here in this thread and its predecesors) the answer lies in the approach taken by Indonesia. Unfortunately, for us in Australia, it also involves stopping the senseless killing of civilians in the Middle East. Everytime there is an 'unintentional' Hospital bombing or 'extensive collateral damage' we here in the West shrug our collective shoulders and say 'oh well', 'badies vs. badies' etc. we occupy the moral low ground and this is why we have the seeds, and possibly fruits, of radicalisation at our feet. Here in Australia we additionally have the refugee torture/rape/death industry to cause impressionable young people to think that we are monsters. Moral high ground? Collectively we'd need a telescope.
Not only that but as a problem it is barely worthy of our attention. How loving scewed does your world view have to be when you, as one of the richest nations on earth, callously claim that people coming from poorer countries are obviously economic refugees? We'll duh, Duhtton. http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/immigration-minister-peter/6829856.
I actually think this new mob are more dangerous (and immoral) than the last because they may actually manage to sell it, see also Rudd, K.
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How many dog whistles can you get in your mouth? Ask Father Chris Reily,
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quote:Chris Riley’s advice to Muslim leaders: actions speak loudest THE AUSTRALIAN OCTOBER 7, 2015 12:00AM
Muslim leaders often fail to back their rhetoric against individual acts of Islamic terror with concrete action, leading to a gulf that makes it more difficult to tackle radicalisation, according to Father Chris Riley, the founder of the successful charity Youth off the Streets. “You’ll hear them on radio when there’s a crisis,” he said, but they did not follow through with concrete programs. “They are so divided they can’t agree on anything,” he said. The federal government’s program to counter radicalisation of Muslims had been failing because it concentrated on “celebrating each other’s cultural differences” rather than integrating the young men with the broader community. While some Muslim leaders had told him they might launch a program if government funding were forthcoming, the real imperative was to be active, by any means possible now, including crowd sourcing. “If kids are in trouble, get off your backside and do something, they are people from your community,” he said.
In an opinion piece in The Australian today, Father Riley, the director of an acclaimed program for troubled youth, writes that “the failed anti-radicalisation strategies have attempted to help these young people by focusing on celebrating each other’s cultural differences through ideals of harmony, road safety and sex education. “While well-intentioned, this approach overlooks one vital thing in that a sense of belonging can only be established through experience,” he writes. “Only through experiential learning, working with groups in collaborative programs, can we start to help these young people feel like they belong in Australia.”
NSW Deputy Police Commissioner Nick Kaldas said Muslim community leaders often had no control over the people police needed to target. “You’ve got to get closer to the weeds,” he told ABC’s 7.30 program last night. “They have the best intentions but in many ways the community leaders cannot control or exert influence over kids who are heading in the wrong direction.” In an interview with The Australian yesterday, Father Riley cited the case of a 19-year-old from western Sydney whom he believed was vulnerable to radical Islamic propaganda, a situation that has become disturbingly familiar. “At least six of our kids from the western suburbs went to Syria, and two of them were killed almost immediately,” he said, explaining they had left to work or fight with the Islamic State terror group. “These kids have lost any sense of belonging to anyone, and therefore they are extremely vulnerable. They have such a sense of hopelessness that they will go anywhere that says they will have them.”
Father Riley had very little faith that either the federal government or Muslim community leaders were going to do much good for the 19-year-old, so he decided to intervene himself through direct interaction with the youth. He travelled with him on public transport to allay his fears that non-Muslims would attack him or verbally abuse him, and gave him a traineeship to learn to be a youth worker. Father Riley believes government programs don’t get at the root cause of disenchantment among Muslim youth, which he identifies as a lack of a sense of inclusion and purpose. Instead, the programs use intellectualised concepts like de-radicalisation. “What sort of word is that? Who would teach that in a classroom?” he said.
Youth Off the Streets programs, aimed primarily at 15 to 21-year-olds, include schools and an outreach program with counselling, emergency accommodation, and other support services. It emphasises “service learning”, where youths on the program help others. During the Victorian bushfires, the program took a group to play ball games and otherwise engage with the children of families adversely affected, allowing their parents to concentrate on rebuilding their lives. Another initiative took a group to Queensland after the floods to help clean up houses. “It’s about inspiring kids and giving them belonging by getting them involved in service to the community,” Father Riley said. With the 19-year-old, Father Riley tried to break down the young man’s sense of alienation within the broader Australian community.
He listened to the youth’s claim that he and other Muslims felt persecuted by Australian authorities and some of the citizenry. “This is a racist nation. People are defacing their mosques. They just have to deal with this every day,” Father Riley said.
When the youth started claiming stories in the newspapers about ISIS committing barbaric acts were false he drew the line. “I told him, ‘If you believe the media is making this stuff up, you can’t work for me.’” Around Easter this year, the youth came up to Father Riley and said: “I love you brother, see ya.” Not long after, Youth Off the Street got word that the mobile phone it had issued the youth had been found sitting at the airport. Program officers informed the Australian Federal Police who, Father Riley said, tracked the 19-year-old down as having gone to Jordan, the last heard of him. “It’s tragic, this kid was such a good kid, and a real leader.”  Comedy->Tragedy->Inspiration->Comedy->Tragedy. It's a wild ride.
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Comic releif?
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-06/peter-garrett-retracts-details-of-alleged-clubs-nsw-money-offer/6831408
quote:Peter Garrett, former Labor minister, retracts details of alleged Clubs NSW money offer By the National Reporting Team's James Thomas Updated about 4 hours ago
Former Labor minister Peter Garrett has retracted comments he made during an interview for a documentary that he was offered "hundreds, if not thousands of dollars" by Clubs NSW shortly after he entered federal politics. Labor's star recruit at the 2004 election, Mr Garrett said he was handed an envelope at a function hosted by the clubs and hotels industry welcoming newly elected MPs. "A representative came to me and said, 'look, great to see you coming into politics, and we're happy to provide some support'," Mr Garrett said. The former member for Kingsford-Smith in Sydney said he returned the envelope once he discovered there was money inside it. "I didn't count it," he said. "But it was hundreds, if not thousands, of dollars. "I wasn't going to accept money from them or from anyone in that way. "But it was a very early taste of the way in which this sector could actually operate."
This revelation was meant to be included in an upcoming ABC documentary, Kaching! Pokie Nation, as well as in Mr Garrett's autobiography. But after being contacted by the ABC for this story, the former Midnight Oil frontman disowned those comments. The former minister now says after speaking with his former staffer Kate Pasterfield, who was also there, that the envelope did not contain cash, but instead a cheque made out to his electorate office, which he said he returned. He also said the event in question took place before he was elected, which would mean the possible offence of bribery or attempted bribery of a public official would not apply.
Wilkie 'deeply shocked' by allegations
Mr Garrett has requested his original comments be excised from both the documentary and the book, in light of his memory failure. Publisher Allen & Unwin and the documentary makers are now scrambling to amend the record according to Mr Garrett's new recollection. Federal independent MP Andrew Wilkie, who signed an agreement with the former Labor government to curb problem gambling, said he was "deeply shocked" by the allegations and Mr Garrett's response. Why he would now abandon that story and talk about there just being a cheque in an envelope, it beggars belief. "For him to turn around now with a completely different story is unfathomable, completely out of character for the man," Mr Wilkie said. "Why he would now abandon that story and talk about there just being a cheque in an envelope, it beggars belief."
International Bar Association anti-corruption committee co-chair Robert Wyld said Mr Garrett's original claims deserved closer scrutiny. "I've been told by politicians, former politicians and their staffers of a number of such payments being made across the board from all corners of the political spectrum," he said. Monash University's Dr Charles Livingstone has researched the public health impacts of gambling addiction for two decades. He said he was aware of two federal politicians — an independent and a Liberal — as well four NSW MPs who were offered substantial sums of unreceipted cash. Mr Wilkie and others believe the industry's attempts to buy political influence were obvious. "How then do you explain so many politicians not acting in the public interest?" Mr Wilkie said. "Something must explain their behaviour." Clubs NSW issued a statement saying it "unequivocally rejected" the "false" claims. The Australian Hotels Association did not respond to the ABC's request for comment.
Chase the blame game.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-05/parents-must-steer-youth-from-radicalisation-nsw-police-chief/6828366 - It's parents!
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-04/government-calls-on-families-to-fight-against-teenage-terrorism/6826392 - It's families!
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-06/parramatta-a-hot-spot-for-extremism-terrorism-expert-says/6828106 - It's Parramatta!
Reverse round http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-07/police-raid-properties-across-western-sydney/6832618 - It certainly isn't being targeted by police due to religious connections.
Never once in any of the very public blaming and shaming is the effect of our actions in the Middle east or towards refugees mentioned. You know, the actual reason that otherwise mild mannered people might consider doing unreasonable things because the barbarity appears accepted, embraced, entrenched and immovable.
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-08/liberal-party-director-brian-loughnane-to-stand-down/6836562
quote:Brian Loughnane: Liberal Party director stands down, to be replaced by former Howard COS Tony Nutt By political editor Chris Uhlmann Updated about an hour ago
Liberal Party federal director Brian Loughnane has announced he is standing down. Mr Loughnane told Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull of his decision to resign yesterday. It is expected he will be replaced by the NSW state director and Liberal Party stalwart Tony Nutt. Some Liberal MPs see Mr Loughnane's departure as the natural conclusion to the leadership spill which felled Tony Abbott. There has been internal disquiet about the party's leadership troika, because Mr Abbott's former chief of staff Peta Credlin is married to Mr Loughnane. There was also speculation that the relationship between Mr Turnbull and Mr Loughnane was strained. The ABC understands Mr Loughnane told Mr Abbott that he would not be running another federal election campaign. Mr Loughnane has been the party's federal director since February 2003.
ScoMo may not have realised that the treasurer's chair included a poison chalice:
http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/penalty-rates-under/6836080
He really doesn't sound confident and unfortunately all the facts and figures of the economic portfolio are not generated 'on water' so you can't just extemporise. 
And just when you thought you'd heard it all before:
http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/investigation-reveals-nuclear/6835832
quote:Investigation reveals ISIS nuclear links Thursday 8 October 2015 6:16AM
Earlier this year Islamic State militants warned they would soon be in possession of their first nuclear weapon. An ISIS propaganda magazine revealed the plan was to get hold of an atomic device from weapons dealers and use it against the West. A new investigation by the Associated Press reveals that smugglers with suspected Russian links are in fact shopping nuclear materials to Islamic State and other terrorist groups. The report says gangs in Moldova are driving a black market in nuclear materials with the explicit intent of connecting sellers to extremist groups.
AP's Chief correspondent in Turkey, Desmond Butler broke the story and he joins RN Breakfast.
hosed up if true.
Call me fixated, but just once I would like them to mention the two elephants in the room when discussing radicalisation (ie) Civilian killings in the Middle East and Assylum Seeker treatment:
http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/tackling-youth-radicalism/6836046
quote:Tackling youth radicalism Thursday 8 October 2015 7:52AM
Youth radicalisation is under scrutiny in the wake of last week's killing of a police employee by a 15 year old boy in Parramatta. The shooter attended the local public Arthur Phillip High School, which remains the focus of investigations by NSW Police. Former principal Silma Ihram is the founder of the Noor al Houda Islamic College, now called the Australian International Academy and she joins RN Breakfast.
So close (she actually mentions the Middle East and government policy in general terms). Resources for youth support services you say? http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-15/budget-2014-youth-unemployment/5455906 
Hey that Blimp Smelting! :
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-08/labor-lists-10-infrastructure-projects-it-will-back-if-elected/6835660
quote:Bill Shorten to announce 10 infrastructure projects Labor will back if they win next election by political reporter Dan Conifer Updated about 2 hours ago
Federal Labor is vowing to support a rail link to Sydney's new airport as well as Melbourne's Metro Rail project if the party wins the next election. Opposition Leader Bill Shorten will today announce 10 infrastructure projects Labor would back in government. quote:10 projects Labor would back
Rail line to Sydney's Badgerys Creek airport, connecting the Western and Inner West and South lines
Melbourne's Metro Rail
Brisbane's Cross River Rail project
Gold Coast Light Rail stage two
Ipswich Motorway
Pacific Highway
Queensland's Bruce Highway
Tasmania's Midland Highway
Electrification of the Gawler rail line in Adelaide
Pledge to support public transport in Perth, possibly the State Opposition's Metronet plan.
Now that is a difference between Turdbull and Squonking I can get behind.
This raises more questions than it answers. Let's hope nobody gets screwed over...(lol):
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-08/bluescope-workers-vote-yes/6836414
quote:BlueScope Steel workers vote to forfeit jobs, working conditions in bid to prevent Port Kembla plant closure Updated 55 minutes ago
BlueScope Steel workers have voted in favour of a union-devised plan to forfeit jobs and working conditions in a bid to prevent the closure of the Port Kembla plant. In recent years the company, Australia's largest steel manufacturer, has faced financial troubles as the industry has been hit with weakening product demand and a global glut of cheap production. In August a review into operations at the New South Wales Port Kembla plant was launched, lead by BlueScope chief executive Paul O'Malley. The company announced a cost-cutting target of $200 million for the plant, with plans to cut up to 500 jobs from its workforce forming part of the strategy. The Australian Workers Union then, following weeks of intense mediation, presented a counter-strategy to Mr O'Malley yesterday afternoon. Part of the proposal would see workers agreeing to hundreds of job cuts to in turn save the plant from complete closure.
And finally:
Don't click it ->http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-...672316b95b7d8a0
quote: Sydney raids expose teen terror links THE AUSTRALIAN OCTOBER 8, 2015 12:00AM
Raid arrests may hold key to teen shooter (Now we've done with the jump to conclusions scare headline lets skip to the bit where we admit to speculation)
Two teenagers arrested by police yesterday following counter-terrorism raids across western Sydney regularly attended one of the city’s mainstream mosques alongside the 15-year-old who shot dead a police employee on Friday. (Moslems go to mosque! Shocking!) The two, 18-year-old Raban Alou and a 16-year-old who cannot be named, were among five people arrested when hundreds of officers raided four homes in Sydney’s west yesterday morning. Detectives investigating the killing of 58-year-old Curtis Cheng are also pursuing possible links between others of those arrested in yesterday’s raids, the gun used in the attack and one of Sydney’s most powerful Middle Eastern crime gangs.(Lebanesse builders are making our kids fat!) Both teenagers — the elder held by police overnight, the younger released without charge late last night — are of Kurdish descent, as was 15-year-old gunman Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar.(Told you we shouldn't ever trust a Kurd!) They also attended the same school, Arthur Phillip High in Parramatta. Both had previously been identified by authorities during a counter-terrorism operation in September last year. As police confirmed they believed Jabar did not act alone, the revelation that both teenagers were previously known to detectives has raised questions about the ability of law-enforcement agencies to prevent terrorist attacks.(So even given the ridiculous powers they already had police couldn't do anything to prevent an attack? Best give them more!)
Federal Justice Minister Michael Keenan said yesterday Australia was facing a “very difficult security environment” that had deteriorated over the past year, “largely because of events which are beyond our control”. He pointed to the threat posed by terrorist group Islamic State, telling Sky News “that malignant entity that has now taken over parts of Syria and Iraq is exporting terror into Australia”. Australian Federal Police Acting Deputy Commissioner Neil Gaughan said yesterday that in recent years, counter-terrorism authorities had identified hundreds of “persons of interest”. “We have disrupted six attacks, we have a large number of persons of interest across the country and we have a large number of persons on the periphery of those investigations that we clearly cannot monitor 24/7,” he said. (If it is only hundreds, then I would actually argue you do have the resources, ASIO alone employes nearly 2000 people, Neil but hey wouldn't want to spoil one of the few opportunities to shill for more budget or authoritarian powers)
More than 200 officers from NSW police and the AFP were involved in yesterday’s raids. Mr Alou was arrested at a house in Wentworthville, the same property where his older brother Kawa was detained in the Operation Appleby raids in September last year, the largest counter-terrorism operation in Australia’s history. At the time, Kawa Alou was released without charge.
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Five men were arrested during raids in relation to the shooting of police worker Curtis Cheng last Friday. Picture: NSW Police.
More than 200 officers executed warrants in Guildford, Wentworthville, Merrylands and Marsfield on Wednesday morning. Picture: NSW Police.
The 16-year-old, who cannot be identified for legal reasons, was also identified in the Operation Appleby raids and was last year arrested for waving an Islamic State flag and screaming “slaughter all the Christians” outside a Maronite school. He has expressed his support online for a range of potentially extremist material, including Islamic State propaganda and that of notorious British preacher Anjem Choudary, who has been charged with encouraging support for the terrorist group. Both teenagers were allegedly regularly seen in the company of Jabar at Parramatta Mosque, where the gunman would attend prayers while skipping school and which was the last place he visited before Friday’s attack. Both are also believed to be associates of Omarjan Azari, who was arrested during Operation Appleby and whose Guildford home was also raided yesterday.
Mr Azari was subsequently charged with conspiring with Islamic State to attack a person at random on a Sydney street, kill them and film the attack. He has since been charged with conspiring with another Sydney man, Mohammad Ali Baryalei, to send money to Syria. Both Mr Azari and Mr Baryalei also used to pray at Parramatta Mosque. A third man arrested during yesterday’s raids, Mustafa Dirani, was targeted by police during Operation Appleby. He was released by police without charge yesterday afternoon, as was a fourth man, Talal Alameddine, who had been arrested along with his brother Rafat at their home in Merrylands. Rafat Alameddine was not detained as a result of the investigation into Mr Cheng’s killing, but was arrested in relation to an outstanding warrant for alleged fraud offences. The Alameddine home was raided in February by police, after a tip-off about a possible drive-by shooting at a Sydney trial.
One key focus of the investigation into Mr Cheng’s killing is how Jabar came to possess the .38 calibre revolver used in the attack. Detectives are pursuing the possibility it was obtained through a Middle Eastern crime gang. Neither Alameddine brother was charged over the February raids. A close relative of the two, who asked not to be named, said: “They can be a headache, they are too much of headache. Boys are boys these days, I have known them since they were born. It’s impossible for them to be involved in this terrorism stuff. They are silly … they go out, they’ll be mischievous, but not any of this.”
Other neighbours said the family had lived in the Merrylands home for about four years, and were regularly visited by police. “Three months ago, I think, there were 50 police vehicles here,” a neighbour said. “Police go to the house a lot.” At least one of those arrested yesterday was understood to have been a Shia Muslim. Islamic State is a Sunni organisation, suggesting the lure of the group is powerful enough to overrule established ethnic and religious ties. Asked whether her organisation had “dropped the ball” by failing to identify the links between Jabar and those arrested yesterday, NSW Police Deputy Commissioner Cath Burn said: “What is reasonable is to actually give an assurance that we are doing our utmost to keep everybody safe.”
Jabar had not been known as a threat to police before the attack, she said. “He was not a target to us … we can’t be with everybody every single second of the day.”
The Alameddine brothers have clearly been the subject of ongoing police targeting. That much can be established. The rest is speculation including the 'Middle East crime gang*' gun supply and yet the headline was - "Sydney raids expose teen terror links" They did nothing of the kind and reasonable people will wait until the inquests are complete before slapping such irresponsible labels onto things that aren't in anyway known or certain.
* "one of Sydney’s most powerful Middle Eastern crime gangs" So many we can only speculate on the most powerful of them
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quote:V8 driver David Reynolds apologises for offensive comment about female team
Supercars boss James Warburton was quick to disown the ‘disgraceful’ remark directed at Bathurst 1000 team of Simona de Silvestro and Renee Gracie
Ford V8 Supercars driver David Reynolds has apologised after being fined $25,000 for making an offensive remark about an all-female team at the Bathurst 1000. V8 Supercars boss James Warburton was quick to disown the “disgraceful” comment directed at Ford duo Simona de Silvestro and Renee Gracie following Thursday’s practice. Former Sauber Formula One test driver De Silvestro and Queensland’s V8 development series star Gracie are the first all-female team at Bathurst since 1998.
Asked about the team, Reynolds said: “Don’t you mean the pussy wagon?”
“Reynolds’ comments were disgraceful and completely unacceptable in our sport and he has been fined $25,000,” Warburton said. “Women are an integral part of our sport, whether they are fans, drivers or team members. “And V8 Supercars will continue to support and promote female participation at all levels of our sport.” Reynolds said he had personally apologised to both drivers. “I unreservedly apologise for a comment I made in a press conference earlier today in relation to my female teammates,” he said in a statement. “While it was intended to be humorous, I understand it has caused offence. “As I stated in the press conference, I genuinely hope they perform well as they are both highly talented, as they showed today with their pace. “We all get on very well and I’ve spent a lot of time with them this week helping them prepare for this race. “People know I am a little left-of-centre with my humour but I understand today I took it too far. “I have personally apologised to Renee and Simona and I fully accept the penalty handed down by V8 Supercars and any subsequent team sanctions.”
The female team were already motivated to silence critics at Mount Panorama after V8 great Dick Johnson claimed they were “a million to one” and had no chance of finishing their first Bathurst 1000. The pair took two seconds off their best time to finish second last in a 26-strong field in the final practice session on Thursday. “Dick Johnson hasn’t finished heaps of races, so he can’t talk,” Gracie said on Wednesday. De Silvestro – one of only three women to notch an IndyCar podium – said before practice it would be good to silence the critics. “I think we will prove them wrong,” she said. In all, 31 women have contested the Bathurst 1000, with a best placing of sixth – Australia’s Christine Gibson (1981) and France’s Marie-Claude Beaumont (1975)
Speaking of toxic, any thought that the new face of terror, Turdball, was going to actually change the direction of the ship rather than just the bunting..
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-09/malcolm-turnbull-plea-for-mutual-respect-after-parramatta-murder/6841892
quote:Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull appeals for all Australians to show mutual respect following 'brutal murder' By political reporter Anna Henderson Updated about 9 hours ago
Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull has delivered a public plea for all Australians to foster a culture of mutual respect, following what he has described as a "brutal murder" and "act of terrorism"(Bullshit Turdball, you don't know that. And it's not like you motivation for declaring it terrorism isn't 100% transparent) in Parramatta. It is a week since 15-year-old gunman Farhad Jabar shot and killed police accountant Curtis Cheng as he was leaving police headquarters in Sydney's west. Police have been preparing for the possibility of unrest and anti Islamic sentiment in the area, after a week spent investigating what triggered the attack.
After days without taking questions from reporters, Mr Turnbull held a media conference in Sydney to deliver a public appeal for unity and respect.
"Respect for each other, respect for our country, respect for our shared values, these are the things that make this country one of the most successful countries in the world, as a multicultural country in particular," he said. Mr Turnbull delivered his strongest assessment yet of why Mr Cheng was shot dead outside the Parramatta police headquarters. "He was murdered in an act of terrorism by a 15-year-old boy, motivated we believe by extremists' political and religious views," Mr Turnbull said. (In turdball we trust. ffs. Give me a break. And obviously those 'extremist' views are coming out of a mosque near you!).
The Prime Minister warned anyone preaching (What if it wasn't a preacher?) hatred or extremism is undermining the success of the nation(And it is in no way extreme to torture, rape and kill people in your care, good to know). "It is not compulsory to live in Australia, if you find Australian values are, you know, unpalatable, then there's a big wide world out there and people have got freedom of movement," Mr Turnbull said. "Those who seek to gnaw away at that social fabric are not part of the Australian dream, they are not advancing the interests of our great country. Australia, my friends, has the greatest future ahead of it. So if we want to be respected, if we want our faith(<-SCCCCRRREEEEEEEE *dogwhistle*), our cultural background to be respected, then we have to respect others. That is a fundamental part of the Australian project. Not all extremist talk — intolerant, hateful speech — not all of it leads to violence. But it's where all violence begins. And we have to call it out(What like Chris Kenny and Andrew Bolt?).We have to call out the language, the examples of disrespect, the language of hatred wherever it is practised."
His comments come after Parramatta Mosque chairman Neil El-Kadomi told worshippers, "if you don't like Australia, leave".
Opposition Leader Bill Shorten echoed the same sentiment on Friday, saying: "If you really hate Australia, well then you should go".
Mr Turnbull has again spoken to the family of Mr Cheng, this time to pass on the condolences of British prime minister David Cameron following a phone call on Thursday night. Last weekend Mr Turnbull held a phone conference with Muslim groups but he has now travelled to Western Sydney to talk directly to Islamic representatives about conditions in the lead-up to the shooting. He said the face-to-face meeting helped coordinate the continuing political and community led response to the killing. Australia's police and security agencies will hold discussions next week about what else can be done to tackle extremism and whether any current policies need changing. The talks will be led by Federal Government counter-terrorism coordinator Greg Moriarty and its recommendations will be considered by the Prime Minister and state and territory leaders at the next session of the Council of Australian Governments.
Welll yes Turdball I do find ' Australian values are, you know, unpalatable' so do a bunch of other people but I also think that minority views should be respected and even nurtured. What an utterly crystal clear call for homogeneity and the marginalisation of minorities. Good loving job. This is actively creating the next round of 'radicals', but that's no a problem as far as you and your painted wagon of right wing nut jobs are concerned.
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-13/nsw-government-calls-for-tougher-counter-terrorism-measures/6848582
quote:George Brandis flags tougher controls on teenage terror suspects as NSW pushes for tougher laws By political reporter Stephanie Anderson, staff Updated about an hour ago
Attorney-General George Brandis has said he is comfortable with restricting the movements of terrorism suspects as young as 14 under counter-terror laws to be tabled next month.
The NSW Government has written to Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull criticising existing anti-terrorism laws as inadequate and calling for them to be strengthened. Senator Brandis told the ABC he was comfortable with the proposed laws — to be introduced in three to four weeks — saying Islamic State militants were reaching out to younger people in Australia. "Fourteen is not too young an age for an order of this kind to be made," he said. "Under the legislation, there will be particular protections and safeguards for minors in the 14 to 17 age category. There will be various measures that will limit the capacity of police to question or deal with minors in a way which is regarded — given the age of the person — to be unreasonable."
Premier Mike Baird has also requested federal changes to extend the length of time terrorism suspects can be kept in custody for questioning. Under current federal laws, a terrorism suspect can be kept in custody for up to four hours before a court application needs to be made to extend the detention period to up to eight days. The NSW Government wants that changed so suspects could be held for up to four days, with a court able to extend the detention period to 28 days. It also wants courts to be given more power to withhold sensitive information from terrorism suspects.
Senator Brandis said there was no legal impediment for the NSW Government to introduce its own laws extending the detention period, but said it may be unconstitutional for the Commonwealth to do so. "Detention without charge could be seen, for an unreasonably long period, to be a form of executive detention and therefore in violation of Chapter Three of the Constitution," he said. Deputy NSW Premier Troy Grant said the fatal shooting of a police accountant outside NSW Police headquarters in Parramatta earlier this month highlighted the need for change. "Clearly the events of Parramatta have demonstrated to the whole country that 14 is the appropriate age that police need to have these [control order] powers to protect the community," he said. "We'll continue to work with the Federal Government in other aspects of the legislation to give police more capacity to question and gather evidence from suspects than they are currently allowed to under the Commonwealth legislation."
Opposition frontbencher Richard Marles said Labor would work with the Government on the laws but stopped short of committing support. Mr Marles said the issue "transcends politics" in the wake of the fatal Parramatta shooting. "As events of these kinds occur, it's important that the law keeps pace with them," he said. "We will listen to what the Government has to say, we want to get briefings ... we actually need to see what's being proposed here by the Government."
New laws 'a breach of human rights'
The NSW Council for Civil Liberties said existing laws were adequate and the proposed changes would be excessive. "The proposed laws are undoubtedly going to be in breach of human rights standards," council president Stephen Blanks said. "The idea of detaining 14-year-old children for questioning without charge, and secretly for long periods of time, should be obviously unacceptable to the whole community."
Deakin University anti-terrorism expert Professor Greg Barton said control orders that limited movement and associations could prove useful. "I think the control order, even for children as young as 14, with proper checks and balances and limits, may well be a productive thing because it's a way of protecting them from malign influence," he said.
Called it. Get your radicalisation program from the nearest authoritarian stooge! Free to the under sixteens! No mention of controlling hand guns better, no mention of existing laws already being over the top and unnecessary, as well as ineffective. Some people are mentioning the enormous resource cost in monitoring control orders but don't expect that to feature in any debate about giving more powers to our fascist bully boys. I really hope that I'm not alone in thinking that we have, as a society, shown we are utterly incapable of looking after the interests of vulnerable young people. To authorise these fools to be in sole control of a fourteen year old with out access to representation for eight days? There aren't words.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-12/18-year-old-held-since-sydney-terror-raids-remains-custody/6847922
quote:Parramatta shooting: 18yo arrested over Sydney terror raids held for further 68 hours By Jessica Kidd Updated about 4 hours ago
Federal police have won a court application to keep a young man arrested in counter-terrorism raids in Sydney last week in custody for another 68 hours. The 18-year-old has been held in custody without charge since Wednesday morning when he was arrested during a series of counter-terrorism raids across western Sydney. He was one of four young men, aged between 16 and 22, who were arrested in connection with the execution-style shooting of police accountant Curtis Cheng outside the New South Wales Police headquarters in Parramatta on October 2. Three of the men were released without charge the same day.
But the Australian Federal Police (AFP) successfully applied to keep the 18-year-old in custody for a further 100 hours last Thursday. On Monday, they were granted an additional 68 hours to interview the teenager by a Sydney court. In a statement, an AFP spokesperson confirmed an additional period of 68 hours of "specified time" was granted by a NSW District Court magistrate. "The AFP must satisfy the judicial officer before whom the application is made that this specified time is reasonable and necessary," the statement read. "The legislation dictates that additional specified time of detention must not exceed seven days in total."
The man's lawyer, Hisham Karnib, opposed the application to keep his client in detention without charge. Outside the court, he told the ABC his client was doing "as well as could be expected". Mr Karnib also said that due to national security reasons he could not access the documents that the AFP used to make its application to the court. The 18-year-old can now be held without charge until early Thursday afternoon. The AFP cannot legally keep him in detention after that period unless they charge him with an offence.
This, but with a fourteen year old. They must be some pretty tricky questions requiring lots of working out because even HSC exams only go for three hours. Also shame on the ABC for calling them 'Terror Raids'. They were actually counter-terror raids although judging by their likely effects on their victims terror raids is strangely appropriate.
 Your rights, unless of course you're a white right wing nut job with a hand gun!
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Nah won't matter Turdball is going to romp it in.
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http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/prime-minister-convenes-urgent-counter-terrorism/6855878
quote:Prime Minister convenes urgent counter terrorism meeting to address violent extremism Thursday 15 October 2015 7:42AM (view full episode)
Police counter terrorism and intelligence chiefs will meet in Canberra later today in a bid to find new solutions to violent extremism. The Prime Minister has convened the urgent gathering, which will be led by the Counter Terrorism Coordinator, Greg Moriarty. The meeting comes as Federal Police confirmed a 12-year-old is among a group of radicalised young people suspected of helping a teenager murder a police employee in Sydney.
The AFP Commissioner Andrew Colvin says although progress has been made to stop foreign fighters, the issue of terrorism is getting worse in Australia.
Deputy Commissioner Shane Patton oversees the Counter Terrorism Unit for the Victorian Police and he'll be attending the meeting with the Prime Minister and intelligence chiefs later today. Shane Patton joins Fran Kelly on RN Breakfast.
Well yes Andrew in complete opposition to any known fact let's, on the basis of SECRET, claim that terrorism (a complete non event in Australia) is getting worse.
We apparently consider the occasional human sacrifice is necessary to placate the gods of police adrenalin, and on the data it would appear that this is a much more significant danger than terrorism in Australia. Even better the moment you start to look at the terror emperor the more you start to notice that he has no clothes. Radicalisation is a school problem? Well from personal experience locking people in a room with a single Australian school teacher pretty much guarantees radicalisation but it does immediately beg the question about adequate school funding and the obvious failure of the chaplaincy program. BUT WAIT A MINUTE! LOOK! LOOK OVER THERE! Oh sorry it was only a suspected twelve year old terrorist.
More to the point once the critical abilities are applied to the problem the issues of Asylum seeker treatment and Middle East adventurism become utterly unavoidable. Whoops! Better keep banging the The AFP Commissioner Andrew Colvin says although progress has been made to stop foreign fighters, the issue of terrorism is getting worse in Australia. It was so bad last night it made the sky cry! Really! The grass was wet and everything.
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-15/antarctic-ice-shelf-sea-level-rise-warning/6853780
quote:Antarctic ice shelf collapse and unstoppable sea level rise 'very likely' without tough climate action, say scientists ABC Science By Anna Salleh Updated about 4 hours ago
Warming of 1.5 to 2 degrees Celsius above current levels could lead to "unstoppable" sea level rise that would last for thousands of years, according to a new model of Antarctic ice sheets.
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So Dutton's defence of the situation just came out.
Lefty Lawyers wage lawfare again.
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Somewhere in Canberra a liquored up Blaft Sharten is melancolically singing the Seeker's hit "I'll Never Find Another You."
Also when it was reported Hockey had quit I assumed it meant he wouldn't be standing again. Nope he's going to force a byelection. What a huge sookie sack of poo poo.
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/joe-hockey-exits-stage-left-as-prechristmas-byelection-looms-20151019-gkcv7h.html
quote:Joe Hockey exits stage left as pre-Christmas byelection looms October 20, 2015 - 7:50AM
Former treasurer Joe Hockey will formally quit Parliament this week ahead of an expected diplomatic posting to Washington, completing the baton-transfer to new Treasurer Scott Morrison and sparking a byelection in the blue-ribbon Liberal seat of North Sydney. The byelection is likely to be staged before the end of the year and would be conducted on the existing North Sydney boundaries despite a significant re-distribution underway in NSW by the Australian Electoral Commission.
Mr Hockey, the second-highest profile scalp in September's shattering leadership switch from Tony Abbott to Malcolm Turnbull, is set to make his final "valedictory" speech at 11am Wednesday . He confirmed his imminent departure to Fairfax Media on Monday. Mr Hockey's resignation ends a stellar parliamentary rise and reflects a determination on his part to make a clean break from politics now after the trauma of the leadership switch, and almost 20 years in the national Parliament. Mr Hockey stuck close to Mr Abbott as his leadership listed under the pressure of continually poor polling, and Mr Abbott repaid that loyalty despite pressure to replace his treasurer with Mr Morrison or even Mr Turnbull.
On Monday afternoon, Mr Abbott, Hockey loyalist Jamie Briggs and Mr Hockey enjoyed a coffee together in the parliamentary courtyard - their presence during business hours marking the extent to which the two senior men (at least) have been relieved of their previously crushing work loads. Mr Hockey is widely expected to take his wife and young family to the US to replace Kim Beazley as Australia's ambassador to Washington DC.
In another key diplomatic shift, Australia's ambassador to Beijing, Frances Adamson, will return to Australia as early as next month to take up a position as Mr Turnbull's foreign affairs adviser. Her appointment is a sign of the new Prime Minister's determination to become deeply engaged in China, and to avail himself of the most up-to-date advice. She is expected to be replaced by the accomplished trade negotiator, Jan Adams.
At one time regarded as a natural leader of the Liberal Party and a future prime minister, Mr Hockey now looks set to follow the former Labor leader Mr Beazley into the diplomatic corps, a man who himself had earned the title across politics as one of the best prime ministers Australia never had. Notification of Mr Hockey's retirement came as Mr Turnbull was pressured to name any material changes of policy from the government's previous positions since he replaced Mr Abbott. Shocked by the latest Fairfax-Ipsos poll which showed the Turnbull government streaking ahead the first time in 18 months, the opposition moved on Monday to tie Mr Turnbull to the unpopularity of the first Abbott-Hockey budget, suggesting the new leader is merely a better salesman wo is nonetheless selling the same bad policies.
"In terms of my own leadership as prime minister, a very obvious example is that the federal government is more than ready to finance urban infrastructure, road and rail, and does not discriminate between the two," Mr Turnbull said. The attack betrays a galloping fear within Labor that the next election has already been surrendered now that a popular prime minister is in place. Labor MPs insist "no one is panicking yet" after the poll put the two-party support for the government at 53-47 per cent - a result similar to the 2013 election. The proposed re-distribution of NSW seats, unveiled by the electoral commission on Friday, could see a slew of Labor MPs move to safer seats and the likely retirement of a Labor veteran as Australia's largest state loses a seat to Western Australia.
In the latest poll, Labor's primary vote fell six percentage points to just 30 per cent, while the Coalition's surged from 38 per cent since the last poll in August to 45 per cent. Before the publication of the poll, Labor MP Ed Husic conceded the opposition would have preferred Mr Abbott to remain prime minister, "but the fact of the matter is the country is better that he's not". Many Labor MPs contacted by Fairfax Media agreed with that assessment, but none would say so publicly. One MP said the poll result was "shithouse" and that "the battle field has shifted" since the switch to Mr Turnbull, with revivals for the Liberals under way in South Australia and Victoria and parts of Queensland and Western Australia, where Mr Abbott had been popular, now in play.
Meanwhile, in NSW, a series of proposed boundary changes including the abolition of the present seat of Hunter, as well as significant shifts in electoral boundaries in seats including Grayndler, Barton, Fowler, McMahon and Patterson has kicked off rampant speculation about Labor MPs moving to safer seats.
I want the Libs to get severely kicked at this byelection but they probably won't. But then I want us to stop murdering asylum seekers by proxy. Looks like I need a reality check.
Turdball is going to romp it in.
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Yeah engineers just need to build a bridge and get over themselves.
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What made him think that it would be a good idea to air his dirty laundry on the ABC? Public sympathy or something?
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I too would willingly complain about rape to a police force that has repeatedly done nothing about it in the past. Choice quote from the front page of the Arsetralian 'from her seaside accomodation'. Should get an award or two at the Border Farce Annual Victim Blaming Awards (BFAVBA) night. But why stop when you are clearly on a roll?
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-21/asylum-seekers-could-be-forced-into-warzones-david-manne-warns/6871214
quote:Asylum seekers could be forced into warzones under laws proposed by Federal Government, human rights lawyer David Manne warns By political reporter Stephanie Anderson Updated about 3 hours ago
Asylum seekers could be forced into warzones such as Syria under new laws tabled by the Turnbull Government (NOT NTATA this is fresh poo), a prominent human rights lawyer has warned. Immigration Minister Peter Dutton tabled a bill last week to strengthen requirements for people who are not refugees as described in the Migration Act, but cannot be returned to their home country due to risk of harm. The Migration Amendment (Complementary Protection and Other Measures) Bill 2015 seeks to rule out protection for people who face a "generalised" risk, can change their behaviour and can relocate to a safer part of their home country. The potential laws have been labelled as dangerous by human rights lawyer David Manne.
Mr Manne, the executive director of the Refugee and Immigration Legal Centre, told the ABC the proposed laws could see asylum seekers deported to warzones such as Syria. "These provisions run the very real risk, if they pass into law, of seeing people sent back to extremely dangerous war zones," he said. "These types of provisions are very hard to reconcile with the recent generosity and compassion seen in the humanitarian act of agreeing to take an additional 12,000 Syrian refugees." Mr Manne said the Government had not made a credible case for the proposed changes, which he said would affect "many people" currently under protection in Australia. The bill has been referred to the Senate's Legal and Constitutional Affairs Legislation Committee, with a report due early next year.
Syrian asylum seeker injured after repatriation from Manus Island
The legislation coincides with news that a Syrian man repatriated from Manus Island by the Federal Government has been injured during shelling on his village. Lateline tracked down the man, known as Eyad, who had arrived on Christmas Island by boat on August 4, 2013. The 29-year-old was flown home in August this year, having claimed to have signed a waiver provided by the Australian Government. "It's my own responsibility, not the Australian Government." Eyad said he had been picked up by government intelligence officers after landing in the Syrian capital, Damascus. He was later reunited with his family, but he said his village — caught between rebel militants and the Syrian government army in Daraa province —was dangerous. He said he was outside with his 54-year-old father last month when shelling began. "A shell dropped about four metres from us," he said. "The shrapnel killed my father at the spot and I was injured."
HOW DARE THEY GET IN THE WAY OF OUR CARS!
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-20/funding-cut-for-protection-of-endangered-koalas/6871010
quote:Funding cut for protection of 'endangered' koalas on NSW north coast, Labor says By Philippa McDonald Updated yesterday at 11:11pm
The New South Wales Opposition has accused the State Government of cutting funding for the protection of koalas on the state's north coast, a group which have recently been placed on the endangered list.
Opposition environment spokeswoman Penny Sharpe said the budget estimates process had revealed deep cuts to Saving our Species funding on the north coast. "They'll only spend $45,000 on the north coast to try and protect the koalas, at the very same time the New South Wales Scientific Committee (NSWSC) has just upgraded its status from vulnerable to endangered," Ms Sharpe said. "Last year $177,000, this year $45,000, for the whole north coast to save the iconic koala."
In statement to the ABC, a spokesman for Environment Minister Mark Speakman said the State Government had committed a record $100 million over the past five years to protect all threatened species, including the koala. "[The Government] has supported the development of comprehensive koala plans ... to protect koala habitat in Ballina, Byron, Bellingen, Tweed, Campbelltown, Palerang and Cooma-Monaro," the statement said. The NSWSC has made a preliminary determination that koalas over a large area of the far north coast are facing a very high risk of extinction in the near future.
The Tweed Coast has seen an estimated 50 per cent decline in koala numbers to as few as 150 over a decade. It is a decline that renders the population "unviable", the council's ecologist Scott Hetherington said. "You've got an extinction debt where there's the long-term impact of loss of habitat to development, then there's other issues such as diseases, cars and dogs," he said.
Koala zones have already been put in place to alert drivers to slow down in the marsupial's habitat. In a bit to restore some koala habitat, 65,000 trees have been planted, and housing developments must take into account the impact on the local populations of the animal. In warning koalas in the region were facing extinction, the NSWSC said over the past 150 years almost half of the "original vegetation cover has been removed or heavily disturbed". The NSWSC also said the four-lane Pacific Highway in the state's north had proved a significant barrier to koalas and the marsupials rarely used the underpasses and overpasses which had been constructed as fauna crossings.
The finding comes as conservationists wait on final approval from the Federal Government for an upgrade of the Pacific Highway near Ballina. The section of highway would impact upon what ecologists have described as a core koala habitat. Lorraine Vass, president of The Friends of the Koala, said the impact of the highway upgrade on the animal's population in the northern rivers would be catastrophic.
"If we let this population go to a local extinction, be it on our head," she said. Friends of the Koala have been fighting the proposed route for the highway upgrade for a decade and have asked for an alternate route through sugar cane fields to be put back on the agenda. However the Federal Government is standing by its proposal. "Roads and Maritime Services has already committed to a range of mitigation strategies, including investing tens of millions of dollars to provide connectivity structures for koalas to move under the new highway; fully fencing nearly 16 kilometres on both sides of the new highway (which will be connected to fauna crossing structures); and planting some 130 hectares of koala food," a statement to the ABC said.
Can't have one of the darkie rappers Oh no no no no! But this guy looks legit!
http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/anti-islam-party-australian-liberty-alliance/6871700
quote:Australian Liberty Alliance, new anti-Islam political party, launches federal campaign Wednesday 21 October 2015 8:06AM (view full episode)
Last night, a most unusual political event took place.
A new political party launched its federal campaign, but the public weren't invited. The media was excluded. The location was secret. And the campaign was launched by a foreigner. The Australian Liberty Alliance, an anti-Islam party, was launched by the controversial Geert Wilders, leader of the nationalist Dutch Party for Freedom. After being granted a Visa by the Government, he addressed the invitation-only crowd of 200 last night, outside of Perth. The party made its own recording of the event, though RN Breakfast has not been able to obtain a copy. However, James Carleton spoke before last night's launch with a director of the Australian Liberty Alliance, Andrew Horwood.  
And to finish you off in style a feel good piece!
http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/mental-health-expert-warns-its-toxic-to-describe/6871698
quote:Mental health expert warns it's 'toxic' to describe mental illness as permanent Wednesday 21 October 2015 8:14AM (view full episode)
In all the discussion around mental health—including the ABC's Mental As campaign—there's an emphasis on raising community awareness and acceptance of mental illness. But a British expert says a key word is too often missing from the conversation: recovery. Professor Mike Slade from the Institute of Psychiatry at King's College London, says it's 'toxic' to describe mental illness as a permanent disability. He's the keynote speaker at today's Grace Groom Memorial Oration at the National Press Club in Canberra. Professor Slade joins Fran Kelly on RN Breakfast.
So being made to declare you have a permanent disability ( Centerlink) is actively bad for you and prevents recovery? Lucky we aren't doing any of that shi 
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Oct 22, 2015 08:15
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In the sentence "White Male Responds terribly to valid criticism" the word "terribly" is totally redundant.
What was the no campaign like in Ireland?
http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/will-marriage-amendment-affect-children-surrogacy-and-religious-freedom-1.2214358
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/16/us-christians-no-campaign-ireland-gay-marriage-referendum
But does lead to a deluge of really great feel good stuff from the pro camp.
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You seriously believe this? So you'd support a woman having an abortion at 38 weeks because she decided she changed her mind about having a baby and wants to go on a long holiday?
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