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Amethyst
Mar 28, 2004

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This is the best OP so far, by a mile

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Amethyst
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ewe2 posted:

gas op ban thread

ban ewe2

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Birb Katter posted:

Sniping stops today - Tony Abbott

Australia is still fukt, please remember to eat your onions.

































Quoting to appreciate, and preserve. I'm sure some idiot mod will edit it to include such trenchant information as "the irc channel where you can talk to the worst posters" or "party affiliations for each individual poster, for some reason"

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Negligent posted:

So what if Tony Abbott ate an onion?

See how quickly the left falls back on mainstream perceptions of "normality" when it suits them. You shall eat vegetables only in the approved manner, comrade!

Tony Abbott eating an onion was extremely funny

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I walk past barangaroo every day and honestly, it's fine. it's just another part of the high rise cbd, and it make sense

I wish it didn't have a loving casino though. gently caress casinos

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This is a vomit worthy opinion piece, IMO

http://www.smh.com.au/business/comment-and-analysis/president-obama-was-wrong-australia-is-not-like-the-us-20151002-gjztja.html

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Whoops, sorry. On the upside we agree again, perennial enemy Monster Under Your Bed.

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Ian Winthorpe III posted:

Hey everybody, hopefully you're all gearing up for a great weekend. Just thought i'd plug a couple of new episodes of my podcast that may be of interest to all those who care about this great land and our future and want the Sheeple to WAKE uP!

The Conez and Doh Show: Now on Souncloud and Itunes



https://soundcloud.com/user-456894491

Issues discussed include Adam Goodes and racism in sports, the psychological roots of transgender politics, the first moments of White Australia and it's orgy at Sydney Cove, Corey 'Party Boy' Worthington, Muslims, objectification, Wagner vs the Black Eyed Peas, my new 'Aussie Freedom Party' dream analysis, gaining respect through sexual artistry, the empowering feminism of Thatcher and Rhonda Roussey, drug policy and Kerry Packer's opinion of Malcolm Turnbull.

Semper Fi Auspol!

Which one is you, again?

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Mar 28, 2004

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Can someone PLEASE post the age, race, and occupation of the people who got murked so we can determine how much the thread can joke about it? There are clear guidelines.

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Pred1ct posted:

Apparently Newman just wrote a biography in which he is very, very bitter about being voted out.

Edit: to expand - http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/oct/02/campbell-newman-calls-media-pack-of-bastards-over-his-treatment-as-premier

Oh hells yeah

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http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/compulsory-insurance-for-cyclists-nsw-government-considers-schemes-20151002-gjztv2.html

Australia is lame

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Hobo Erotica posted:

This is from the end of the last thread, but it's calling it a 'medical procedure' which illustrates the lack of understanding of the issue. It's like calling offshore detention an 'immigration procedure'. That doesn't mean that what it actually entails isn't potentially objectionable. In this case, they're talking about the termination of human foetuses. In their view, life begins at conception. While admittedly debatable, it's not arbitrary or indefensible. Where do you think it begins? At what point would you stop allowing abortions? 14 weeks? 22 weeks? 28 weeks? Full term? Unless it's full term there's a line there somewhere, so what consequences should there be for the parties involved if they cross the line?
In the mind of these people the line is at conception, and crossing it is the most serious crime, the literal murder of society's most pure and defenceless beings, so calling for the most serious punishment is not logically inconsistent, or even surprising.

I guess what I'm saying is you'd do well to try a bit harder to understand where people are coming from.

Agreed.

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I don't have the slightest reservations about abortion whatsoever. I am perfectly fine with late term abortion purely at the mother's discretion.

But I don't believe the voices anti-abortionists should be suppressed, either.

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Anidav posted:

The days of penalty rates are numbered as we move to a seven day economy, says Malcolm Turnbull.

Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet hosed

Seriously gently caress this poo poo.

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Mar 28, 2004

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Everyone is talking about the economic impact, but what about the cultural one? Sunday being a day of rest is an old tradition. A tradition that maintains some tiny modicum of social cohesion. With that gone the walls between all of us get even higher.

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Mar 28, 2004

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On the other hand, the public won't vote for this will they? Right?

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Apparently there is a big push in Spain to abolish the siesta too. Globalism is cool

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Way to support public education Shorten, you loving dickhead.

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Milky Moor posted:

I worked a job where I was potentially working five of any seven days a week. People who've never done this - AKA Turnbull - can't understand that that does to your ability to have a life beyond work. It absolutely destroyed my hobbies and social relationships as well as my general health and wellbeing as a consequence of that. It's hosed. We should be moving to a four-day working week, not seven!

There is a reason why so many hospitality workers are alcoholics.

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I can see them running a campaign about how great it would be to go to the mall on Sunday and how the Unions want to destroy it. Also the entire retail sector will dump millions on the campaign

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open24hours posted:

A true conservative would force the shops to close on Sundays.

Seriously. What the hell happened to "conservatives"? I guess if the old order you want to restore is actually medieval feudalism they're being consistent.

Actually, now that I think about it, even medieval peasants had Sundays off.

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Lol good poo poo

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Can everyone please stop trawling the internet for racist nobodies to post? You aren't helping, you're making it worse.

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Saying it's all the cops' fault is an equally stupid addition to that list.

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BBJoey posted:

Ah okay so we just round up this small group of people and the problem's solved, we don't need to change anything else like our attitudes towards asylum seekers or our military action in the Middle East, there won't be any more radicalisation? Well that's good to know, thanks for solving the problem.

He didn't say "problem solved", nor did he say anything about ignoring our cultural problems. Get a grip.

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-07/breast-cancer-gene-cant-be-patented-high-court-rules/6833232

quote:

The High Court has ruled the breast cancer gene BRCA-1 cannot be patented.

Two-time cancer survivor Yvonne D'Arcy, from a modest neighbourhood on the outskirts of Brisbane, has led the legal battle over the ownership of the patent by US company Myriad Genetics.

At the heart of the case was the concern that ownership of the gene patent could stifle the research and development of treatments for genetic diseases.

Ms D'Arcy argued the genes existed in nature so were discovered rather than invented.

Lawyers for Ms D'Arcy told the High Court the genetic material covered in the patent was merely isolated, and was not eligible to be patented under Australian law.

But Myriad Genetics argued patents ensured innovation could be commercialized for everyone's benefit.

This is a serious precedent. I'd like to hear what someone in the medical/pharma sector thinks about it, and the competing futures here. On the one hand we have expensive, R&D heavy drugs incentive by stacks of money. On the other, we have public, open research available to anyone who wants it.

I lean towards the latter, but I don't really know enough to make that judgement strongly.

I also find the idea of patenting a human gene philosophically repugnant.

Amethyst fucked around with this message at 02:08 on Oct 7, 2015

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Yeah they do it periodically. Same with bicycle helmets.

Amethyst fucked around with this message at 05:50 on Oct 7, 2015

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Diet Crack posted:

Lock up all impressionable kids.

This is a really inappropriate and stupid response to what was just posted, dude. I mean I know we are against the police state here, and I agree with you that the raid last year was poorly conducted.

But CCTV of a kid meeting suspected terrorists hours before a murder? Come the gently caress on. This isn't the time to be all "hurr duur paranoid stupid cops what's next their going to outlaw punk music lmao"

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I think he agrees with the critique in the article he posted.

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open24hours posted:

Not really. Some of her points are reasonable but she's all over the place.

"...the current younger, fresher and angrier crop of violent extremists" reads like a quote from the Simpsons and "They were, as difficult as it may be to accept, active participants in their own radicalisation. Their choices were wrong and misguided, but they were their choices nonetheless." is an absolutely bizarre claim to make about to make about children bordering on victim blaming and seems at odds with an article saying we shouldn't speculate. Implying that that he was a willing participant with full agency is just as counterproductive as implying that he was brainwashed.

She isn't referring to the kid there. She's referring to the research into 100 "lone" jihadists she has been conducting over the years at curtin university.

What she says about the kid amounts to "it's too early to say what caused this", which is the only reasonable thing anyone has said about this whole mess.

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open24hours posted:

Perhaps there's a good reason to separate the actions of 15 year old you know almost nothing about from the actions of another 100 'lone jihadists' rather than trying to conflate them, especially if you're trying to argue against speculation.

I think contextualizing an event like this in real world research, counter to the hordes of brainless pundits blaming it all on parents/culture/police/whatever else they pull out of their rear end is a reasonable and in fact responsible thing to do.

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open24hours posted:

Sure, but it would probably help if people knew what what actually occurred during the event they are trying to contextualize before writing an article about it.

This is a really bizarre reaction, though, since the broad thrust of the entire article, which you haven't focused on at all, agrees with you 100%.

The small section you are focusing on is there to demonstrate how flawed existing media speculation is. It isn't to say "this is definitely what is happening". It's there to demonstrate the uncertainty around cases like this.

quote:

The fact is that radicalisation is not just a complex process but a rapidly changing one. Any attempt to develop profiles of violent extremists today may no longer be relevant tomorrow. More importantly, perhaps, attempts based on flawed understandings of radicalisation are bound to fail.

As long as politicians and commentators (academics included) continue to speculate about the plethora of factors implicated in radicalisation the same old narratives dominate the way in which we talk about tragedies like the Parramatta shooting and we learn nothing.

Personal motive, individual history, psychological state, mental wellbeing, social situation, family context, personal relations, social identity, ideological attachment – instead of this speculation, we should be taking the opportunity to truly learn something about how and why this young boy was radicalised.

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Hobo Erotica posted:

Is this a bong joke? She's a good friend of mine

It's not a joke. I'm disgusted the ABC is pushing drug culture onto our children at such an early age.

Next time you're snorting coke with your ABC hipster friend at a absinthe bar in Surry Hills, tell her she should be ashamed of herself.

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-20/missing-documents-relating-to-trade-union-royal-commission/6870756

We are so utterly hosed with shorten in charge. Good job ALP, you had every opportunity to take advantage and you threw it away by putting a corrupt apparatchik at the top.

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open24hours posted:

Are you going to present an alternative argument?

You offered zero justification in yours.

Given the range of views on this issue in the community, it seems to me like the line should be somewhere in between conception and birth. Where that is is a source of endless debate about trimesters and brain waves and foetal development, but it seems like the best path to a reasonable compromise for everyone.

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open24hours posted:

Discussions about brain waves and whathaveyou are just a desperate attempt to escape the inherent arbitrariness of the process.

I don't think so. The difference between a zygote an embryo, and a fetus is one area where the distinction is plainly obvious.

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open24hours posted:

Maybe in a morphological sense, whether it's ok to kill one and not the other isn't so clear cut.

Not being clear cut doesn't mean it's arbitrary.

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open24hours posted:

Do you think it's not arbitrary?

I haven't expressed my personal view, but I'm not going to reduce the other arguments down to a cartoon sketch. Arguments like bifauxnen's about the fetus' relationship to a woman's body are reasonable. Arguments from the other side about the personhood of a fetus after a certain stage of development are similarly reasonable. With a fraught issue like this, we compromise as the debate progresses.

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open24hours posted:

Both of those arguments rely on an abritrary decision to grant rights to a foetus/baby at some point. There's no objective transition from non-human to human.

You are pretending there is no philosophical basis behind those ideas. The notion of personhood isn't granted arbitrarily outside of a hypothetical made up situation for the sake of an argument. Animal Rights activists aren't acting arbitrarily. When a woman talks about the inviolable boundaries of their body as sovereign, they are doing so on the basis of their own personhood, granted through a philosophical dialectic.

When an anti-abortion activist claims personhood on behalf of a foetus based on neurobiological signifiers, or even spiritual beliefs, they aren't doing so arbitrarily.

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open24hours posted:

It's more that I think the distinctions, even if couched in philosophical language, are arbitrary. I know that a lot of people think that their beliefs about the permissibility of early-term abortions and the impermissibility of late-term abortions have some basis in reality. I disagree with them.

Arguing that because you can detect certain brainwaves in a foetus means that they are a human is no less arbitrary than arguing that once they reach a certain length they become human.

If you believe that it's completely arbitrary then there is no rational basis for 99% of our entire legislature. Your position is a nihilistic black hole.

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