Grondoth posted:

I really wonder how everything's gonna shake out as the game matures. There's so many obviously broken things in this game that baffle me, which makes me think they're more focused on making things work than making things fair.
Although I realllly think hero power is a mistake. It's going to change the nature of the game completely, and make balancing along the experience very difficult. It's maybe my only worry, because it's a fundamental part of the gameplay that obfuscates differences in character loadouts and means there's no way to depower yourself. In V1 you could always throw on worse items. There's lots linked to it, but that can be changed(like having a power level to get into difficulties), but its presence will always be there and will make things confusing.

Cowcaster posted:

ok you can lick the chaos spawn but just this once

Hexenritter posted:

Of course I know there's a mute button, but I've had some genuinely good games with people who aren't shitlords and who can communicate so I'm not one to just automute everyone because of the occasional lovely pub.

Also, I was using those particular terms in my post there more to create a simple, easy archetype to identify the guy by. If you're an east coast millennial I don't automatically hate you, so don't worry.

edit: oh gently caress you all lol

The Big Bad Worf posted:

Whole game feels like it's not really ready for primetime. Yeah, beta, sure, but a good 2/3 of the maps are completely untested and major features aren't going to be ready on launch day.

Is there a wiki, guide, or resource to help digest what arbitrary power thresholds you need to meet on a per-difficulty basis to not feel gimpy?

Orv posted:

No poo poo? I had no idea it was him, totally doing it then.

A 50S RAYGUN posted:

am i reading this right? it goes live at like 4pm est?

Digirat posted:

The game’s design is worse than the first almost across the board...

Giant Isopod posted:

It's currently failing in the available hats metric, but I have faith

Atoramos posted:

Digirat cares a whole lot about the first game and how it balances/plays at the hardest difficulties, and its players like him that kept Vermintide 1 going as long as it did with as many updates as it got. More than likely he's right about a buncha stuff like how the new specials/shield rats are gonna effect handling large hordes of rats and such.

That said I poured like 80 hours into the first game and already 30 into the second and I don't think I'm ever going to hit a point where I'll care about any of it, because for my level of play the game's good and fun.

Coolguye posted:

speaking of projecting

he actually called out the additions to the mechanics as specifically what he has issues with, especially the hero power thing, which is dumb, bad, and baddumb. perhaps even dumbbad.



like i disagree with digirat on a bunch (just hit my ? if you want to see us arguing) but people are ragging on him for a bunch of poo poo they wished he said rather than what he actually said.

Digirat posted:

I’ve never called it “total bollocks” and wouldn’t still be here saying it’s a good game if it was. the problem is that it’s worse than the first game, a statement that really isn’t sweeping at all when I’ve explained numerous reasons why over loving weeks here. You’ve spent longer misrepresenting those reasons as all being “different than the first game” than you have actually reading them, so forgive me if I have a hard time taking a single word you post seriously

Coolguye posted:

you have been willfully misinterpreting every single not-entirely-positive thing that has been said about this game as curmudgeonly salt making GBS threads on the game's entire existence since you started posting here and posting junk like "just have fun with it until you're not" like the rest of us aren't doing literally the same thing between here and the discord. you don't even do this to me so much because i incessantly drop in 'don't get me wrong....' clauses precisely because junk like this is happening, but it still is super obnoxious and toxic. like just stop man, you are not smart or insightful when you do this junk and it makes it really loving hard to talk about a game that we're on a games forum in a games topic to talk about.


it didn't in VT1 and i see no reason why it would here

Coolguye posted:

if you want to set rules like this, don't get touchy when someone calls you out for being too proud to ask questions or clarify points instead of just taking as gospel whatever extreme reading that goes into your brain at first glaze. digirat literally already responded to you by saying that isn't what he said, i told you even before that that isn't what he said, this is not a discussion, this poo poo you're spouting isn't what he or anyone else said, yet you're continuing to pretend like it totally was guys, seriously.

your entire function in this thread has been to come in, get a first-grader's comprehension of what's being posted, respond smugly, and ignore all context surrounding the topic. like, loving stop, you're being an idiot.

Digirat posted:

The game’s design is worse than the first almost across the board...

Coolguye posted:

Unlucky7 posted:

Look, speaking as someone who WAS slightly scared off by Digirats posting, suck it up and get over it.

Coolguye posted:

you still have a first grader's reading comprehension because the entire point here is i do not want to 'move the needle' on your opinions, i could not possibly care less what your opinions are.

this isn't an 'agree to disagree' cop-out, you're acting like a child and i'm asking you to knock it the gently caress off. if you can't, then just do everyone a favor and stay the hell out of the new thread.

Third World Reggin posted:

I don't know who is worse but some how you are both idiot children