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corn in the bible
Jun 5, 2004

Oh no oh god it's all true!
There are no pre-rendered scenes in Majora.

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DoctorKill
Jul 23, 2013

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Part 8: The Spiders Are All In Tune

New episode, heavily featuring spiders. I finally get to show off a randomizer exclusive trick, and also Dish talks about pizza a whole lot. We also beat goron race with little difficulty, no thanks to my loving co-commentators who refused to hold hands with each other and chant, even a little bit.

Mak0rz
Aug 2, 2008

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Calling Twilight Princess a "bad game" is kind of unfair. I thought it had among the best dungeons and boss battles in the entire series. The rest of the game is ugly, boring, and lacking in charm at worst.

TooMuchAbstraction
Oct 14, 2012

I spent four years making
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Hell yes I'm going to turn my avatar into an ad for it.
Fun Shoe

Mak0rz posted:

Calling Twilight Princess a "bad game" is kind of unfair. I thought it had among the best dungeons and boss battles in the entire series. The rest of the game is ugly, boring, and lacking in charm at worst.

The dungeons are mostly ehh; the forest/spirit one is bad and the only other one that sticks in memory is the yeti manor which was actually pretty decent. The boss battles are universally awful. Wait for boss to make themselves vulnerable, use dungeon item on boss, stun boss, hit with sword, repeat. It's playing out a glorified quicktime event, with a ton of waiting in between opportunities to actually make progress.

Twilight Princess in general was bad enough to convince me to stop buying Zelda games sight-unseen.

MagicBoots
Mar 29, 2010

How about we pump the atmosphere full of methane?
You put me on Cargo handling optimization?! I am the premier defense specialist in the entirety of the UN!
Don't you dare pull my funding!
You can't cut back on funding!
You will regret this!

Mak0rz posted:

The rest of the game is ugly, boring, and lacking in charm at worst.

Ugly, boring and lacking in charm. But otherwise a good game.

Zenos Paradise
Apr 2, 2011

Did somebody say honeypot?
Yeti and sumo wrasslin' was good enough for me to consider it an alright game that I would like to play through exactly once and never again.

Mak0rz
Aug 2, 2008

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TooMuchAbstraction posted:

The dungeons are mostly ehh; the forest/spirit one is bad and the only other one that sticks in memory is the yeti manor which was actually pretty decent. The boss battles are universally awful. Wait for boss to make themselves vulnerable, use dungeon item on boss, stun boss, hit with sword, repeat. It's playing out a glorified quicktime event, with a ton of waiting in between opportunities to actually make progress.

"Wait for boss to be vulnerable" is basically how Zelda bosses have always been since they became 3D. I just thought they were a little more fun in TP. Oh well :shrug:

MagicBoots posted:

Ugly, boring and lacking in charm. But otherwise a good game.

:ssh: I said the non-dungeon parts.

Shame you reset the cycle, Doc. Didn't you miss the chance to get the other scrub title deeds? You were holding one of them when you saved, but I can't remember what item gave it to you.

TooMuchAbstraction
Oct 14, 2012

I spent four years making
Waves of Steel
Hell yes I'm going to turn my avatar into an ad for it.
Fun Shoe

Mak0rz posted:

"Wait for boss to be vulnerable" is basically how Zelda bosses have always been since they became 3D. I just thought they were a little more fun in TP. Oh well :shrug:

Counterpoint: Majora's Mask. It is amazing how much better the fights are in MM vs. in Ocarina of Time; practically every enemy is either always vulnerable to something or can be baited into making themselves vulnerable.

Then Wind Waker came along and they forgot everything they learned. :sigh:

DoctorKill
Jul 23, 2013

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Mak0rz posted:

Shame you reset the cycle, Doc. Didn't you miss the chance to get the other scrub title deeds? You were holding one of them when you saved, but I can't remember what item gave it to you.

I can't just get more scrub title deeds, I have to wait until I find them. I need to find Swamp and Mountain Title deed, and turn them in to get whatever items I get from Mountain and Ocean scrubs.

KeiraWalker
Sep 5, 2011

Me? Don't worry about me...
Grimey Drawer
Oh, god, I am laughing my rear end off at that thing with the gold skulltulla. The giant arrow cracked me up for half the video, then the victory music/pictures... ahh, man. I think I need some oxygen.

Mak0rz
Aug 2, 2008

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TooMuchAbstraction posted:

Counterpoint: Majora's Mask. It is amazing how much better the fights are in MM vs. in Ocarina of Time; practically every enemy is either always vulnerable to something or can be baited into making themselves vulnerable.

Haha I guess we'll have to agree to disagree because apart from Goht and Majora they were either irritating (Gyorg) or just outright boring (Odolwa and Twinmold).

DoctorKill posted:

I can't just get more scrub title deeds, I have to wait until I find them. I need to find Swamp and Mountain Title deed, and turn them in to get whatever items I get from Mountain and Ocean scrubs.

:doh: right, of course.

What gave you that deed anyway? I assume you eventually picked up the real item, thus killing your chances of picking it up again? I just vaguely remember one of your guests talking about it.

CaptianKatsura
Feb 28, 2011

I'm not Katsura, I'm Captain Katsura!

Mak0rz posted:

Haha I guess we'll have to agree to disagree because apart from Goht and Majora they were either irritating (Gyorg) or just outright boring (Odolwa and Twinmold).


:doh: right, of course.

What gave you that deed anyway? I assume you eventually picked up the real item, thus killing your chances of picking it up again? I just vaguely remember one of your guests talking about it.

He got the town deed from the Ocean Spider House, and then traded it in for beans. Since the spider house only gives it's prize once, Dr. Kill can never get the town deed or magic beans again, barring glitch trickery. Good thing both of those are basically worthless!

DoctorKill
Jul 23, 2013

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So this isn't relevant to the Randomizer, but in my OoT thread I posted this:

DoctorKill posted:

Fun fact about the Shadow Temple: if you aren't wrong warping into it, it REQUIRES you to have Zelda's Lullaby, for the boat.

But this is no longer true! I'm a bit late in mentioning it but about a month ago Skater, the same person who discovered GIM and a whole bunch of other tricks, proved you could get to the boss room without riding the boat, and a decently easy setup was made over the next few days.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAtn0GQfbmw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmnbe1d56gE

Just thought I'd post that for anyone who's interested, it's a really cool trick.

TooMuchAbstraction
Oct 14, 2012

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Oh, incidentally, AGDQ had a pretty awesome 100% speedrun of Majora's Mask. I felt like I actually had a good grasp of what was going on during it, thanks to your LPs. Thanks, DoctorKill!

DoctorKill
Jul 23, 2013

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Yeah that was a good run, all the runners are talented players and they keep the commentary up, or at least one of them does. I just don't usually recommend 100% runs to people because they are very long and I get the impression most people don't like watching such long runs. I was really into it though.

Glad I could help you understand what was going on though! I probably managed to show off most of the tricks they use in some fashion but there's a lot of small things they do for heart pieces, or some Japanese exclusive things. One particularly cool moment is here, getting the heart piece in Pirate Fortress, which uses a setup that only works in JP version. You could probably do the trick in English but as far as I know no one's made a consistent way of doing it. Cool stuff though.

Male of the Century
Jan 7, 2004

PISH-POSH!
That heart piece was the only time in watching a speedrun where I was as excited watching it as the guy was explaining it. How would anyone have thought of doing that?

DoctorKill
Jul 23, 2013

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Part 9: Stoned in Pirates Fortress, Making Some Unagi

This one's another low key episode, but we finish up messing around with sword upgrades, and I test out a theory I had about bottle duping. Other than that, we clear out Pirate Fortress and the Eel Spire, which I didn't show off in the main LP. Too bad there's no cool tricks in there! Just eels.

curse of flubber
Mar 12, 2007
I CAN'T HELP BUT DERAIL THREADS WITH MY VERY PRESENCE

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IGNORE ME AND ANY DINOSAUR THAT FIGHTS WITH ME BECAUSE WE JUST CAN'T SHUT UP
I noticed these threads get few posts for some reason, so I thought I'd say that this is a really good interesting LP, it's literally the only SA LP I'm watching, and I haven't watched an SA LP in donkey years . Super interesting, good job, A++++-+; I put a minus in there because nothing's perfect, no 10/10s from me.

Spelling Mitsake
Oct 4, 2007

Clutch Cargo wishes they had Tractor.

Megaspel posted:

I noticed these threads get few posts for some reason, so I thought I'd say that this is a really good interesting LP, it's literally the only SA LP I'm watching, and I haven't watched an SA LP in donkey years . Super interesting, good job, A++++-+; I put a minus in there because nothing's perfect, no 10/10s from me.

Agreed! I rate it 29/30

Kaiser Mazoku
Mar 24, 2011

Didn't you see it!? Couldn't you see my "spirit"!?
The eels look like penises.

Mak0rz
Aug 2, 2008

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3 frames at 20fps is not one whole second, it's three twentieths of a second (or 0.15 seconds). 20 frames is one second.

Ometeotl
Feb 13, 2012



It's MISSEL! Or SISSLE!
I confused myself...



He was exaggerating for comedic effect.

curse of flubber
Mar 12, 2007
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IGNORE ME AND ANY DINOSAUR THAT FIGHTS WITH ME BECAUSE WE JUST CAN'T SHUT UP

Mak0rz posted:

3 frames at 20fps is not one whole second, it's three twentieths of a second (or 0.15 seconds). 20 frames is one second.

did you know mountains aren't actually as big as mole hills? No one has ever been able to successfully make a mountain out of a mole hill.

Mak0rz
Aug 2, 2008

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Ometeotl posted:

He was exaggerating for comedic effect.

Megaspel posted:

did you know mountains aren't actually as big as mole hills? No one has ever been able to successfully make a mountain out of a mole hill.

Impossible. I will not believe it!

curse of flubber
Mar 12, 2007
I CAN'T HELP BUT DERAIL THREADS WITH MY VERY PRESENCE

I ALSO HAVE A CLOUD OF DEDICATED IDIOTS FOLLOWING ME SHITTING UP EVERY THREAD I POST IN

IGNORE ME AND ANY DINOSAUR THAT FIGHTS WITH ME BECAUSE WE JUST CAN'T SHUT UP
Look into your heart piece, you know it to be true.

DoctorKill
Jul 23, 2013

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Part 10: I Want to Beat Great Bay, I Want to Eat the Moon.

The next few episodes turn out to be very productive! We get a lot of stuff done in this episode alone, getting through the archery games and great bay temple, as well as a few other things. We also learn a little bit about ourselves, and a whole lot about Dish.

The main goal right now, besides beating dungeons, is trying to find Kafei's mask, because there are a couple of items locked behind that quest. Finding the Deku Princess is also important since she's required for a mask. So those are our Holy Grails.

Also, I know the pace of the LP has been a bit slow, at least slower than the main ones, so I'm gonna try to put out videos a little faster. We actually don't have that much left to go so I should be able to manage it.

ninjewtsu
Oct 9, 2012

i really like this lp. do you have any plans on doing another when this one finishes?

The MUMPSorceress
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I laugh like a fuckin' maniac every time I see that Lenny Kravitz video and none of my friends or family understand why.

DoctorKill
Jul 23, 2013

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ninjewtsu posted:

i really like this lp. do you have any plans on doing another when this one finishes?

Thanks for saying that, but nope! After this is over I'm spent. I liked doing these but they heavily depended on me knowing a lot of cool stuff to show off, and I just don't know any other games as well. It's been fun though.

ManxomeBromide
Jan 29, 2009

old school
The discussion of familiarity with motion in different games struck home pretty hard for me; I grew up on Mega Man and I definitely have trouble in Super Mario or 3D Zeldas.

I do have to say though that your Zora handling is actually really great; seeing you blaze around and corner with Zora form is something that makes me want to play Majora's Mask more than really anything else I see about it.

ninjewtsu
Oct 9, 2012

DoctorKill posted:

Thanks for saying that, but nope! After this is over I'm spent. I liked doing these but they heavily depended on me knowing a lot of cool stuff to show off, and I just don't know any other games as well. It's been fun though.

tbh you're funny enough that i'd enjoy just watching you play a game you can't show off a million speedrun tricks of :v:

Simply Simon
Nov 6, 2010

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ManxomeBromide posted:

The discussion of familiarity with motion in different games struck home pretty hard for me; I grew up on Mega Man and I definitely have trouble in Super Mario or 3D Zeldas.

I do have to say though that your Zora handling is actually really great; seeing you blaze around and corner with Zora form is something that makes me want to play Majora's Mask more than really anything else I see about it.
Funnily enough, I only started playing Mega Man 2008ish. My first extensively played console game was Yoshi's Island though, and that is no comparison to normal Mario jump mechanics. I played Super Mario World after YI and was like "why the gently caress is it so hard to make Mario do what I want to; also I want to flutter, like, always".

Mega Man clicked with me a lot because it is really mechanically predictable and controllable. Mario, unless you spend a LOT of effort (or had ample practice as a kid), is very hard to get consistent results with.

ninjewtsu posted:

tbh you're funny enough that i'd enjoy just watching you play a game you can't show off a million speedrun tricks of :v:
same

The MUMPSorceress
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ninjewtsu posted:

tbh you're funny enough that i'd enjoy just watching you play a game you can't show off a million speedrun tricks of :v:

agreed. you're funny and pleasant to listen to so i'd watch you just play whatever your favorite games are.

Demicol
Nov 8, 2009

:bandwagon: I'd watch a "normal" LP by you if you ever were to make one, I really liked both your OoT one and this one!

Cartheon
Jun 1, 2014

Help me, Oppan. You're my only hope.
I'll jump on the bandwagon and agree that you're funny enough to do regular LPs or at least co-commentate on other's LPs.

Octatonic
Sep 7, 2010

Cartheon posted:

I'll jump on the bandwagon and agree that you're funny enough to do regular LPs or at least co-commentate on other's LPs.

See, this here is the real trick. Recording and editing is a lot more work than blabbin on about pizza tumblrs.

Suspicious Dish
Sep 24, 2011

2020 is the year of linux on the desktop, bro
Fun Shoe

Octatonic posted:

See, this here is the real trick. Recording and editing is a lot more work than blabbin on about pizza tumblrs.

:yeah:

DoctorKill
Jul 23, 2013

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Dish is actually being very modest, to tell you the truth this LP is mostly him. Between scripting out every word we say and the constant iterations he makes on the bot that is actually playing the game (to make it seem more realistic), he spends around 40-50 hours a week on this venture. I don't even physically speak anymore, I gave him sound samples of me saying all possible English phonemes and he just stitches them all together to make audio. I'm just coasting right now, poo poo's great.

DoctorKill
Jul 23, 2013

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New episode! I thought Dish did a great job making up my audio, everything you crafted sounds exactly like stuff I would say!

Part 11: Stone Tower more like Bone Boner

We finished all over Great Bay in the last episode, and in this one we take in Stone Tower. Since we already have the light arrows, the dungeon let's us come inside easily, and we penetrate its depths, turn it inside out, and deal with its one eyed monster, before the episode comes to a premature and unsatisfying ending, all the while having a nice conversation about how people see innuendo everywhere, even when it's not there.

I had a bit of trouble finding a good stopping point for this episode so it's stops before we complete Stone Tower, that'll be for next time. We get all the fairies though, and I get to show off a few things new things, mostly bat-related. We also talk about Dark Souls, because people can't play video games anymore without referencing it.

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Admiral H. Curtiss
May 11, 2010

I think there are a bunch of people who can create trailing images. I know some who could do this as if they were just going out for a stroll.
Old Man Murray still exists:
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