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VitalSigns posted:It's the amazing self-owns that keep me coming back to this thread. This. It's definitely what gives me the most entertainment-value here, watching JRode tie himself in knots and contradicting himself at every turn. Possibly the most perfect example yet being: jrodefeld posted:But what if I was concerned about an ISIS attack on Los Angeles? Would I be unreasonable in being extra cautious about Middle Eastern men who were also Muslims? Would that make me a bigot, even though the clear evidence shows that nearly all ISIS members are Muslims who are of Middle Eastern descent? Offering up the definition of bigotry in action, followed by... jrodefeld posted:I worded that imprecisely. What I meant was if you were a member of the police or homeland security who was investigating a purported plot by ISIS to attack Los Angeles, would you make the assumption based on the statistics that the attacker would be of Middle Eastern descent and also a Muslim? Or would you really think it is reasonable that you'd suspect the elderly Jewish grandmother just as much as the twenty-something guy who just flew in from Syria? Note the immediate shift of the goalposts and trying to obscure what he actually said. It's a thing of beauty: The absolute inability to recognize any error in the underlying views he himself holds on full display. Note especially the last, bolded part, where he's trying to imply that he would never be bigoted, while it would still be completely reasonable for a cop to be. "Oh poo poo, I said something that might have sounded a bit bigoted. However, I, JRodefeld, am not a racist or bigot! I am Libertarian! I am incapable of holding such silly ideas due to Logic and Reason and First Principles! Therefore, I only made an error in my presentation! As soon as I fix that, they will see that I am not racist at all." Like I said earlier, JRodskij, you're not very good at this, are you?
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Alhazred posted:And yet my country (Norway) which is pretty loving far from being libertarian have less income inequality than yours: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_..._World_Bank.svg Let me see if I can't anticipate jrode's rebuttal here... First off, that list if from the World Bank, which is run by Second, even if it were unbiased, Norway is a state, therefore, ergo, concomitantly, ipso dolor, hasta lumbago, it is only achieving this through theft from the productive members of society and transferring that stolen wealth to worthless parasites and it is thus immoral. Third, Mises. Fourth, it doesn't count because Norway is using dirty fiat currency instead of pure, unadulterated, lovely gold. Fifth, *Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrt* ... Let's see if I'm right! TLM3101 fucked around with this message at 18:23 on Feb 10, 2016 |
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jrodefeld posted:
 Jesus. loving. Christ. You actually went there. You really went into Nazi-territory, full-tilt, and without even stopping. "If they can be of use, by all means, use them. But if not? gently caress it. If someone wishes to take care of the useless material, I'll graciously allow it. Otherwise, let them die." Your philosophy is a moral black hole of utter iniquity that debases, debauches and perverts every single good impulse of conscience, and blights humanity itself by its mere presence. TLM3101 fucked around with this message at 15:56 on Feb 11, 2016 |
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Feb 11, 2016 15:53
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SedanChair posted:I'm struggling with the fact that Jrod realizes Only Built 4 Cuban Linx is a great album. You know what? Jrod's managed to change my mind on an issue. After that loving stunning statement about the mentally and physically disabled, I am become a born-again fan of the second amendment, because god drat it, with people like jorde on the loose, I am feeling a powerful urge to be armed and at least go down fighting before the inevitable march to the ovens begin. Seriously, this is the first time I've actually been both livid and loving terrified by what his outlook on life would mean for the rest of us if some dread cosmic alignment of stars should actually give him and his ilk a chance to put their nuttery into practice. Titfucking Christ! [edit] - There was something here. It's moved down a bit. - TLM3101 fucked around with this message at 16:49 on Feb 11, 2016 |
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Feb 11, 2016 16:20
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Nolanar posted:I'm honestly shocked that you're surprised. He's always had this mealy-mouthed viciousness to his opinions on welfare (and healthcare). We have no obligation to our fellow man in his mind. Oh sure, he'll call it immoral to abandon them in the cold, but it's worse to try make anyone do anything about it, because taxes are literally (literally) worse than poor people dying. Like Caros was saying, it doesn't count as a bad thing to be stopped unless you can point to a specific villain. I should probably explain my rather... visceral reaction. I have two nieces, the eldest of which is... differently abled, shall we say. Thankfully, not very severely, but enough that she's going to have difficulty managing on her own as she grows up. Now, my nieces are the only children I can actually stand for any length of time, and the eldest's specific disability make her very social, very outgoing, and overall a bundle of pure joy and delight. There are, however, expenses associated with her condition. Medicines, a need for special education, and she will most likely never be a 'fully productive member of society'. And jrode, the smug, condescending, parasitic, worthless shitstain, has the loving gall to say that if she's not productive enough, if she doesn't fit his arbitrary definition of 'useful'? There's no real obligation for anyone to care about her. So yeah. That kind of brought it home in a very intimate fashion just how nakedly, unabashedly evil his outlook on life is. Hence why I blew up like that and why that hit me so hard. I'm only human, and he suddenly made it about family in the clearest way possible. And while I realize that he'll never actually have a chance to actually put his vile, twisted excuse for an ideology into practice, seeing it put so bluntly and utterly callously? That got to me. TLM3101 fucked around with this message at 16:57 on Feb 11, 2016 |
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Feb 11, 2016 16:54
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jrodefeld posted:So, to paraphrase Bastiat, if we don't support a thing being done by the State we don't support that thing being done at all? It's sad that Bastiat crushed this fallacy a century and a half ago, yet you keep parroting it without understanding how fallacious the argument really is. No, it's true. And we have seen ample proof of it from the things you have posted in this thread. jrodefeld posted:We absolutely, positively have a moral obligation to our fellow man. And this obligation can be carried out through voluntary cooperation in a free society and does NOT require State aggression. Most libertarians, whether you agree or not, believe that if you care about your fellow man and his or her well-being, you should reject Statism and favor peaceful assistance and mutual aid to our neighbor. Moral obligations that you don't follow through on aren't worth poo poo, buttercup. And we already know that you have the integrity of a hagfish and the morals of a tasmanian devil on meth, so we know exactly how much your bleating insistence on 'voluntary cooperation' is worth; about the same as a bucket of stale goat-cum. jrodefeld posted:So the claim that libertarians have black hearts, and secretly chuckle about the prospect of mass starvation and widespread suffering is worse than dishonest, it is downright abhorrent. You know, this I'll give you. You're actually worse, because you dress your evil up as 'compassion' and 'liberty'. It's simply that to you, since other people aren't actually people at all, but things to be used and then discarded, you aren't capable of mustering any empathy for them. jrodefeld posted:Let me cite another common "lifeboat" scenario that is thrown against the libertarian position. If a poor person is starving and steals a loaf of bread from a store, is he or she committing an act of unjustified aggression? ... And to repeat this a - what? fourth time now? - This is different from what happens now how exactly? Also, that part I've bolded? This is why I keep hitting that 'quote' button whenever you manage to crawl out of your den to vomit your bile out into the world. Furthermore, I absolutely stand by what I said earlier: TLM3101 posted:Your philosophy is a moral black hole of utter iniquity that debases, debauches and perverts every single good impulse of conscience, and blights humanity itself by its mere presence. and I would add that the reason I now hold this view, jrode, the reason I'm this negatively inclined towards Libertarianism, is because of you; Your callous contempt for the lives of others, your butchery and twisting of language, your snide and condescending dismissal of the poor and the marginalized, but most of all, for your utter, sheer gall of trying to argue for depriving other living, thinking, feeling human beings of the only thing keeping them alive and the affront to basic human decency that it is to call your 'solution' compassion. Every single argument that you have made in favor of your position is - by any commonly understood definition of the terms - immoral, unfeeling, cruel, and evil.
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Feb 12, 2016 07:23
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SatansOnion posted:For those of you whose eyes just kind of slid off that Tom Woods article--and I for one could hardly blame you--let me summarize: According to him, the Confederacy was more principled, stable, and moral than the Union has ever been, and its defeat was a triumph for the forces of collectivist evil over the morally upright ... So, what you're saying is that yet another of jrode's favored thinkers - so called, anyway - is an unabashed defender and apologist for racist slave states. Quelle surprise. I am shocked, shocked I say, to discover this. How could noted not-racist jrodefeld, a man who has been in the same room as a black person at one point, a man who professes a deep and abiding love for even the most Entartete music, have been so cruelly, viciously deceived? Truly, the mind boggles.
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Feb 13, 2016 08:00
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ToxicSlurpee posted:To be honest I think the jrode thing has played itself out at this point. Permabanning him would probably be the best option at this point. I don't think there's any more comedy to extract and he's already proven himself to be a colossal shithead. Personally, I want to see if he has more Nazi-inspired policy he'd like to advocate for. Besides, I've learned a lot from other posters in the thread, and I like learning new things, so... 
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Feb 14, 2016 04:12
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YF19pilot posted:Okay, so Marx and Engels it is. There are worse authors to start with, even if you end up disagreeing with them entirely. Also check out Antonio Gramsci while you're at it. Oh! And Rosa Luxembourg. As for nationalization - Yes, absolutely, yes. Certain things really should not under any circumstances, be left to the 'free market'. Healthcare being the most obvious and immediate example, but firefighting, sanitation, infrastructure, etc. are all things where the state can do a much, much better job than any market-enthusiast could ever hope to try. Which is, incidentally, one of the most common complaints from capitalists: "If government begins to interfere in the market, we won't be able to make a profit/compete!" Gee, I wonder why that would be? TLM3101 fucked around with this message at 06:50 on Feb 14, 2016 |
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Feb 14, 2016 06:42
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On that note, jrode: Any other Nazi-inspired policies you'd like to argue for?
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Feb 16, 2016 03:32
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Who What Now posted:I suppose you believe it's in the slave owner's best interests to keep his slaves fed, so of course you'd think there's be fewer hungry people, I suppose. Of course, if the slaves happen to be mentally of physically challenged or disabled to the point of being unable to work, then there's no real obligation for them to do anything, really. Let the worthless subhumans starve.
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Feb 16, 2016 03:45
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Juffo-Wup posted:I'm still worried about this Same here.  Please be okay, Caros.
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Feb 16, 2016 04:35
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jrodefeld posted:I have to single out this post because of how un-self aware it is.  edit: Apologies, but holy hell, how do you even write something like that, jrode, and avoid immediately collapsing into a black hole from the sheer level of irony? God drat you are dense. TLM3101 fucked around with this message at 07:03 on Feb 16, 2016 |
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jrodefeld posted:
As has been pointed out already, but it bears repeating, all of those countries have social welfare states in one form or another. So, perhaps, jrode, just perhaps it's not that they're more Libertarian that is the reason why they're doing so well, but the fact that they are social welfare states? If a social welfare state with free healthcare, education, public housing and the like is Socialist and thus evil, why is it, then, that the US which has only a vestigial welfare system at best is not top of the list? Oh right. Because 'leave it to the free market/no taxes' is bullshit.
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