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everythingWasBees posted:I doubt I'll ever finish Zeta. You should. It's a good show.
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Raxivace posted:The best Zeta episodes are the ones Imagawa did. This is not surprising in the least.
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Oct 13, 2015 22:31
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Logicblade posted:Episode 8 was pretty tame, I suppose we needed an 'Amuro is leaving White Base' kind of episode. I don't know if we've got another confirmed kill this episode, but one of those grunts definitely didn't eject the cockpit this episode, so I'll just call it a kill. Anyway that's probably it for me today. I hope you stick with the show, if only because I want to know how high this number is at the end.
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Oct 13, 2015 23:11
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Logicblade posted:Marbet seems pretty cool. You know she's just ready to kick some rear end, but she never really gets a chance to. Here's hoping she gets a chance to show off before bad things happen to her. Reading your first impressions is really interesting, and I don't want you to take this as criticism, but you don't need to spoiler tag everything. The show is 22 years old, it's fine. Droyer fucked around with this message at 01:45 on Oct 14, 2015 |
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Oct 14, 2015 01:32
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Fun Victory Gundam fact: Uso was originally intended to be a descendant of Char Aznable, but that idea got scrapped at some point during development.
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Oct 14, 2015 03:16
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muike posted:afaik it's just a popular idea that was never official but all the staff (except tomino) are fans of Gundam wiki said it was true, but they've been wrong before so
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Oct 14, 2015 03:27
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dogsicle posted:woah, was the all Gundam OPs vid taken off youtube? Yeah, a while ago.
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Oct 14, 2015 04:21
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Gyra_Solune posted:Nah not every Gundam OP ever, just probably the ones they're still selling or something. But yeah King Records has been on a copyrighting roll...like literally what do you have to gain from like, axing all the cool Steam Detectives songs, who even remembers that show exists??? You misunderstand. Not "all gundam OPs" but "the all gundam ops" video. There used to be a single video that had all of them, but it's gone now.
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Oct 14, 2015 04:34
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I first heard about Gundam when someone recommended I watch SEED. Several years later i decided to go back and watch the rest of Gundam.
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Oct 14, 2015 12:14
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Srice posted:I would not be surprised if people have been complaining about cute girls ruining anime since shortly after it existed I would not be surprised if people have been complaining about cute girls ruining anime since shortly before it existed
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Oct 14, 2015 17:55
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I can't imagine the elderly care much for Gundam. Gundam certainly doesn't have many kind things to say about them.
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Oct 14, 2015 18:31
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Sharkopath posted:Robots aren't cool anymore. This is wrong, actually
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Oct 14, 2015 18:33
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Logicblade posted:Docker Iqq is a pretty cool guy. His obsession with motorcycles knows no bounds, but it is rather awesome. The Adrastea is cool, in a silly way.
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Oct 14, 2015 19:52
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It's me, I'm the guy that doesn't hate the bikes and tires in Victory
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Oct 14, 2015 19:56
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Please do not talk about upcoming plot points when you know someone else is going through a show for the first time.
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Oct 14, 2015 20:32
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Darth Walrus posted:That's not a spoiler, really. Everything I've said should be broadly apparent from what he's seen so far of the Zanscare Empire, and the show doesn't really bother hiding that Fonse is in charge. I mean, I guess you could argue that 'no, there is no twist, things are as they seem' is a spoiler, but it's about as mild as they come. I'm arguing you shouldn't talk about something that hasn't happened yet, when someone is going through a show for the first time.
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Oct 14, 2015 20:49
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Srice posted:I feel common sense rules are the best, in that the shows are so old that in a general conversation there's no need for tags but if someone is going through one of them for the first time and posting about it, might as well be polite. Yeah, this
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Oct 14, 2015 20:54
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Gyra_Solune posted:who does the face in the middle of the tag belong to i recommend you watch both Gunbuster and Diebuster, if you haven't.
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Oct 15, 2015 07:12
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Ernie Muppari posted:i don't recognize that character from gunbuster though? That's because she's Nono, from Diebuster
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Oct 15, 2015 08:03
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Logicblade posted:Welp... Episode 18 cleared. I didn't think they were gonna kill off Shakti, but i guess they did it. Now she, the dog, Suzy and the baby could all still be alive, but being ejected into the cold vacuum of space without anyone knowing about it seems like a death sentence to me. It's like going overboard on a cruise ship, but worse. I hope you're not dropping the Usso kill count. I really wanna know how high it gets!
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Oct 15, 2015 08:49
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Logicblade posted:Another episode down, and we finally figured out who Shakti's mom is. The Queen of Zanscare herself. Oh man. Usso was ready to take some heads, but once again reinforcements showed up before he could add some notches to his kill count. I don't know how to feel about Chronicle, he's not competent enough to be threatening, but he's not incompetent enough to be funny either. For the Char Clone of the series, he really only feels like that because he wears a mask on earth. I think that it may be a stretch to call him a Char. Yeah Chronicle's definitely one of the weaker Chars, along with Mr. Bushido and Zeheart.
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Oct 15, 2015 21:20
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Logicblade posted:Oh man, there have been a few skirmishes this episode, and Usso is back on the board after taking a ten episode hiatus. He shot down three mechs this episode, but one of the pilots ejected before the mech was destroyed. I got to say, Usso is a dirty little cheater, suggesting the use of microwaves to induce nausea. I mean it's clever, but wow. Some weird relationship drama this episode, and Junko's death flag could not be raised any higher at this point. She's probably dead next episode. We'll see if the League can actually take out the Kelas Guilie next episode. I love the giant dick n' balls cannon
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Oct 15, 2015 21:53
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I didn't mind AGE's character designs at first. I was never a huge fan of them, but they were fine. Problem is though later on it feels like there's a shift in character design, so an early character and a later character look like they belong to two different shows.
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Oct 15, 2015 22:50
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Yeah the Abigorbine is based on the Abigor. I gotta say I prefer it in purple over the bluish green of the Abigor, but purple is my favorite color so 
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Oct 15, 2015 23:31
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Most of the cast of Zeta being assholes was partly the point, so I don't really count that as a negative in that sense. I can understand people not liking it though.
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Oct 16, 2015 17:01
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Zedd posted:Good, cry more Noredo don't be rude to noredo, she's cool
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Oct 16, 2015 19:49
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Logicblade posted:Ha... ha... ha... Usso has become a destroyer of worlds this episode. He had already destroyed two mechs by the first half of the episode, bu he had to man the cock and balls cannon and fire it himself, destroying at least eighteen Zanscare battleships with it. I don't know how large the crew would be for one of those, but let's give a conservative estimate and say 100 people. That brings Usso's kill count to... 1800, plus 24 previous to that. Welp, I didn't expect him to get that many kills, that's for sure. Also of note, the second last Shrike Team member died. I was right, Connie did last the longest. Now let's see if she can survive another 15 episodes (I seriously doubt it.) These are the types of numbers I was looking forward to
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Oct 17, 2015 13:11
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Logicblade posted:The Gedlavs are just the silliest things... Anyway, Katejina seems to be a frighteningly competent pilot, she's constantly getting the better of Usso to the point where I'm thinking she's actually the Char of the series. Oliver is basically making the biggest death flag possible for himself, so I give him three, four episodes tops before he bites it. The kill count is unchanged, but I saw the preview for the next episode and... I don't think I want to watch it. The einerads are the best and I love them.
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Oct 17, 2015 23:53
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tsob posted:I'd say it was definitely intentional on Tomino's part, but I'm not sure it was really the point. Unless the point is "everyone's kind of an rear end in a top hat, but that's okay" or something, which it could possibly be but I don't think that was really something Zeta was shooting for. I haven't seen it in years though, so I may just be forgetting some fundamental stuff. Regardless, I certainly found it off-putting. I actually enjoyed that Kamille was a hothead with no foresight or restraint for a good chunk of the show because it made him an interesting lead - I just hated that everyone else was basically an rear end in a top hat too. Unlike 0079 or other shows there was no real feeling of camaraderie on the Argama. It felt like these were people who were only working together because they were left with no choice and who actually hated each other and had no desire to be there at all even though the major power in space was gunning for them and that should have created a rather oppressive "us versus them" feeling and caused people to bond purely based on overwhelming odds and shared experience. Outside of a handful of moments like Kamille bringing tapes back for Roberto and Apolly though, the crew of the Argama never really feels like they get at all. I feel like everyone being assholes is Tomino saying "War draws bad people towards it, and makes good people worse", which ties into the anti-war message that's common in Gundam
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Oct 18, 2015 01:36
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Raxivace posted:What's with Kamille's change in condition between the end of Zeta and ZZ? At the end of Zeta he just seemed to have reverted back to a four year old, and in ZZ he seems full on comatose. Presumably his condition deteriorated offscreen.
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Oct 18, 2015 01:48
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Logicblade posted:And I thought the Tomliats were made of explodium... the Gedlav just destroys everythiing when it goes up. The V2 is looking very slick, I am a fan. I am not a fan of Lupe trying to take a bath with a 13 year old boy... The rest of the episode was cool though. The V2 is probably my favorite protagonist Gundam. It's like the giant robot version of a sports car and I love it.
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Oct 18, 2015 04:05
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TNG posted:Uhhh, no Zaku, boy. 
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Oct 19, 2015 02:01
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closeted republican posted:I think it' funny how Elepo Ple is the standard "uguu so cute ^_^" Gundam character among fans that attracts all the pedos, but in the actual show she's a genuine psycho-bitch that opened fire with funnels while on an occupied playground in Axis, attempted to murder Leina in cold blood while Leina was suffering from an untreated gunshot wound, and is the type that would attack you with an axe she dug up in the garage if you didn't pay attention to her all the time. Judau's reasoning for letting her join the team feels like it's basically "Oh god, she's nuts. Better play along with her or else". Gundam ZZ actually predates the moe fad. I an terribly sorry, but not everything can be blamed on cute girls. Also please don't use the term "psycho-bitch"
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Oct 21, 2015 00:44
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Reds posted:Just because she predates the official concept of moe doesn't mean she doesn't qualify for all of the criteria. And people are extremely willing to forgive a character's often extremely negative traits based on whether or not they think they're cute regardless of the era. Please do not post your essay on why moe is bad in the Gundam thread
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Oct 21, 2015 01:55
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Srice posted:I like Puru. I liked that one of the Evolve episodes gave a happy ending to one of the Purus. They've had real harsh lives.
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Oct 21, 2015 01:56
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TNG posted:Ple is both a deliberate attempt at marketing to pedophiles as well as a massive in-joke at their expense. Fits with ZZ in general really, in that lots of toyetic and 80s cultural forces are driving it and that it's an absurd mess that is having a laugh at its audience most of the time. Even the "serious" aspects of the show are kind of silly in a melodramatic "Gundam" way. Please do not post about pedophiles in the Gundam thread
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Oct 21, 2015 02:04
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TNG posted:Yes, but the way in which ZZ "follows the themes" is to an absurd level. A show with a super toy Gundam whose design precludes it from ever being an effective toy, comically absurd villains even when the show is being serious, and just generally ramping up everything in hilariously reductive ways. I'm not saying the show is bad, but it also stays silly throughout and gets even more-so. It's 80s toy commercial excess, and 80s Japanese nerd culture, and Tomino's own brand of amusement and contempt for the whole thing wrapped into one. It's kind of amazing. Weirder and crazier is right, but I very much think Tomino was having a laugh at the very concept of Gundam shows since the Original and Zeta had become such phenomenons and the production time leading into ZZ was so short. I think you're projecting what you want tomino to be onto everything he's done, and forcing ZZ to fit that mold.
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Oct 21, 2015 16:27
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Shinjobi posted:Marida would have been perfectly fine if you change her ending. Yeah, her backstory is pretty grimdarky, but I was willing to go along with it so long as there was a light at the end of the tunnel. One thing I think The OVA did well was how it never really went into detail on Marida's backstory like the books did (I think). She should have survived though, se was the coolest character in Unicorn
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Oct 21, 2015 20:12
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ImpAtom posted:Nah, it does. It doesn't go into excruciating detail but she has a flashback which makes things real clear. Oh. Praise retracted then
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Kanos posted:I really can't stop harping on this. Then I will. This is exactly what I mean when I say the old thread had the same repetitive argument over and over. Either say something new or change the topic of conversation. p.s. This isn't directed towards you specifically Kanos, but I feel I have to put my foot down now.
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