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The Muffinlord posted:I tried to make one but it got claimed by Sunrise, no joke. 
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Begemot posted:Or what Operation Meteor was even supposed to accomplish in the first place. i thought the answer to this was literally "pfff i dunno, we're terrorists that didn't think that far ahead"
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Jun 29, 2016 01:03
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they built the giant death robots that are absolutely essential to your terrorism plan (i assume they use the gundams to perform the meteor/colony drop in the original plan, since i guess the terrorists don't actually have any other armed forces) i don't think the terrorists really had much choice, also it sounds like the terrorists were actually the insane ones while the scientists were (reasonably) sane (in comparison). maybe the terrorists were too crazy to question it and too happy about having giant death robots developed for them to care enough to question it.
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Jun 29, 2016 01:50
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Does the movie cut anything from the original episodes?
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Jul 7, 2016 11:59
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i hope that after the substantial problems they ran into coming up with choreography for 6 fighters, they've figured out something that works for the upcoming series
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Jul 13, 2016 11:09
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T.G. Xarbala posted:Well Zeon apologia is a big deal in Japan. is this actually the case, or does it just exist in some form and over here in the wwest we're overexposed to the eastern side of things having some minor pro-zeon tendencies
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Jul 18, 2016 02:56
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Philosopher King posted:If wing is the worst gundam why doesn't anyone use comparisons between it and the characters to anything else? ?????????? what makes you think wing is the worst gundam?
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Jul 18, 2016 10:40
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Arcsquad12 posted:So I found out that Full Frontal's Side Co-Prosperity Sphere is actually based off of Imperial Japan's Co-Prosperity Sphere from WW2, and not Napoleon's Continental System like I had originally assumed. Interesting, but my point still stands that a trade system like that can only be enforced by military might, which Neo Zeon sorely lacks compared to the Federation, who would crush their efforts to strangle them out of trading with the colonies via mass mobilization. your point still stands? was there an argument over this???
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Aug 28, 2016 22:25
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meh. not really.
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i watched the series first, then the films later the films have fairly janky pacing and the passage of time gets a little weird, but if you just wanted to know the story of MSG then they work great. you could get a little more out of watching the 40 or so episodes of the original series instead, but i'd recommend watching a different anime that you a=haven't already half-seen over that tbh. the stuff that was cut out of the movies was cut for a reason, you're essentially just trading the movie's less natural pace for the tv show's 4 times as long runtime. you didn't miss anything important or even particularly good by watching the movies, so unless you're really interested in having the true original gundam experience it's not really worthwhile imo
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Sep 2, 2016 11:05
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heero is great here is a demonstration: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7SloE7AjqI
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Sep 4, 2016 05:25
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PBS Newshour posted:Oh my God why am I not watching the dub?! You should! It's like half the fun of gundam wing!
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Sep 4, 2016 07:54
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Zechs having to do a fight in earth's orbit and saying "no thanks on the flying robot, I'll be participating in this fight entirely in free fall instead" was as stupid as it was badass The fact that he actually won is some pretty nice icing on the cake
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Sep 6, 2016 18:31
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it's blocked in america too
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Sep 7, 2016 01:36
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field journalists following around soldiers documenting horrible atrocities sounds like a pretty good gundam premise ngl
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Sep 19, 2016 07:49
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tbf isn't the deal with goufs and doms that they were made by two separate giant robot companies? the company that made the zaku developed the gouf at the same time that some other company was developing the dom, so both designs were completed at roughly the same time, but zeon chose to mass-mass produce (as opposed to the light mass production that the gouf had, i guess?) the dom over the gouf am i getting this right? that's how i thought it worked, which kinda sorta explains some of the weirdness behind the 50 different robot variations
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Sep 19, 2016 13:06
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Lemon-Lime posted:I'm not saying they were, I'm saying that the pace of technological advance during the OYW was insane and stuff made at the start of the war was completely obsolete six months later, never mind by the end of the year. what's the usual wartime pace for these things? how long did it take for tanks launched at the start of WW2 to become obsolete?
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Sep 20, 2016 10:19
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what exactly do you mean by obsolete? like, the zaku 2 was relevant up until the very end of the war, even though its specs got pretty heavily outclassed halfway through, right? the only mobile suit from the OYW that i can really think of as becoming irrelevant would be the zaku 1
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Sep 20, 2016 10:58
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Well the gouf is a straight upgrade to the zaku isn't it? And it's meant to fill the same role? Once the war was underway zeon wanted a successor to the zaku and both the gouf and the dom were presented. Zeon chose the dom over the gouf for reasons that I don't remember off the top of my head, but the gouf was a fully adequate zaku++ in its own right. Ramba ral wasn't stuck with some specialist machine, he was piloting essentially a stronger zaku. Just like the black tri stars were piloting slightly different stronger zakus. They all filled the same battlefield role, just at different levels of strength.
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I've watched 4 episodes of war in the pocket and while it's clearly building to something big and good, for having spent an hour and a half watching it I can't say there was anything I really especially enjoyed. I'm fully expecting to love it once I finish it, but I really can't help but feel like "it's kinda boring for like an hour and a half" is a nonnegligible criticism, and also one that is not shared by thunderbolt (which I'm pretty sure is in my top 3 most favorite animated works right now)
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Oct 10, 2016 16:39
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I don't only care about action and violence. But the other stuff I care about is mostly dramatic emotion, and war in the pocket has been pretty subdued on that as well. I don't think what I've seen so far is bad, so much as it feels like 90% set up for later events. And, while I'm sure the payoff is very good, the wait being an hour and a half before getting to the good stuff is a substantial problem for me. There hasn't really been any conflict, violent or not, between any characters yet (though there's been an awful lot of foundation laid for future conflict) and there hasn't been any other kind of heavy emotional impacts either.
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Oct 10, 2016 18:20
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I haven't read the origin nor watched episode 3, but my take on it was basically "fake identities don't come out of nowhere, especially not when you're becoming an officer in the military" so it made sense to me that char aznable was an Actual Person that happened to look a lot like char, who casval murdered so he could walk around Looking Like Casval In The Zeon Military without getting shot I also like the idea that casval wears a mask/shades at all times not only because it's crazy fashionable, but because Real Char had brown eyes and it'd be a dead giveaway if he didn't hide it
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Oct 16, 2016 23:36
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I showed gundam thunderbolt to a friend of mine who barely knew what gundam was and she loved it. It helps a lot that things like "is zeon the bad guy or is the federation the bad guy?" And "why are these two sides at war?" Kind of really aren't The Point, and at the level of an individual soldier in a contained little pocket of a larger conflict, really don't matter. The female character problem isn't a big deal imo, more worth bringing up in a critical discussion of thunderbolt than in a recommendation. It's not as good as it could be with the female characters but nothing bizarrely gross or weird happen with them, from a critical standpoint the lack of Strong Female Characters is just the closest thing to a major shortcoming that thunderbolt really has.
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Oct 23, 2016 02:30
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Guy Goodbody posted:Do the male leads have much more agency than the female leads? sorta? they certainly use their agency way more. i mean one of the female leads is the commander of the ship so i guess it kinda depends on what you mean by "agency." her plotline is about how she can't handle the pressure of being the leader. the other female lead is a scientist who's plot is about how she's betraying her most close held morals in the face of the pressure of war. both of the male leads are thematically about being totally consumed by war, body and mind. the male leads certainly feel a lot more "in control" of their actions, in that neither of them are really getting emotionally torn up over their decisions the way the female leads are, while the female leads are both thematically about doing things that they don't want to do
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Oct 23, 2016 03:30
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i guess what it boils down to is that both of the female leads' plots are very heavily concerned with their own personal emotions, and how them being emotional humans affects their decisions, while the male leads' plots are about losing themselves in senseless violence. so, from a meta-thematic perspective, fairly traditionalist gender roles. as darth walrus said earlier, it really wouldn't be a problem if there was a female lead who wasn't following that theme, because the stories themselves are well written and the female leads are fairly well realized characters. but that's not the case, so it's a little unfortunate to think about.
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Oct 23, 2016 03:37
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Improbable Lobster posted:One of the females leads is constantly disrepected by her subordinates, cries all the time and never accomplishes anything. The other cries all the time and never accomplishes anything. the scientist certainly accomplished something. it just wasn't what she wanted to accomplish. i'm pretty sure the commander girl had a scene where someone was saying "congrats, only 3 casualties that mission!" or whatever and she went to her room to break down because any casualties is too much for her, so assumedly she's not totally incompetent either.
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Oct 23, 2016 03:41
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Guy Goodbody posted:I disagree about the dudes having agency, or being in control of their actions. They are both consumed by war, like you say, and it's not like either of them really have a choice in the matter. Darryl has three limbs taken from him, and if he hadn't "chosen" to have the forth one amputated they would've done it without his permission. They are very clear about what Darryl has lost, and none of it was actually by choice. And Io just becomes a crazy killer. I think the only real difference between the male and female leads in Thunderbolt is that the men lean into it and accept becoming weapons, but the women don't. i pretty much agree with this, but my point was more that the male leads don't have stories about how they're being consumed by their emotions the way the women are. were Io or Darryl to refuse to take the actions they did, they probably would be in much worse positions than the commander girl would be. but neither of their storylines involve having any difficulty making choices, while having problems with making decisions is basically both of the female leads' plots in a nutshell, so it comes off as the women having less agency, even though logically they have more/equal agency.
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Oct 23, 2016 03:49
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basically the question of "do the women have more agency than the men?" is one with some nuance to it, though the end result is still that thunderbolt isn't exactly a progressive work.
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Oct 23, 2016 03:53
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Oct 23, 2016 04:01
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oh lol, i didn't know that i mean obviously i knew she got super hosed up by the end but i wasn't aware of the specifics of it
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Oct 23, 2016 04:04
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was that in the movie and i just missed it in my 4 viewings, or is that what happens immediately after the movie in the manga?
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Improbable Lobster posted:I mean, the guy who said that also called her an incompetent rookie who only became commander because she's part of the rich elite and then he shot her . well yeah, but i thought his beef with her was more that she got her job through essentially nepotism (even though i think she didn't want it?) and that she goes off to cry in her room every time something happens. i don't remember there being much any other indications as to her actual effectiveness, other than obviously not being very morale inspiring. i don't really see why he'd lie to her about that, though there's plenty of reason why he'd get super mad about her reaction (no one who goes off to cry after being praised would rightfully be put in her position through merit)
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Oct 23, 2016 04:09
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Guy Goodbody posted:Did Io even know what happened to the Captain? the female characters don't exist purely to motivate the male characters. they have their own, fairly independent themes. that's why earlier i said, ninjewtsu posted:The female character problem isn't a big deal imo, more worth bringing up in a critical discussion of thunderbolt than in a recommendation. It's not as good as it could be with the female characters but nothing bizarrely gross or weird happen with them, from a critical standpoint the lack of Strong Female Characters is just the closest thing to a major shortcoming that thunderbolt really has. that being said, the fact remains that every female character is struggling with their emotions way more than the male characters and both have plots about being unable to do what they want to. which is certainly A Problem, but not to such an extent that thunderbolt is offensive for it or anything.
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oh i guess you meant that fridge is a term specifically used for killing off women for the purpose of motivating male characters. yeah i'd agree that calling karla fridged is a bit of a stretch in that respect, i'm kind of used to just reading fridged as an unflattering term for "female character dies."
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Oct 23, 2016 04:17
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I thought if the A is upside down the turn part of the title isn't needed
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Nov 3, 2016 18:35
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i hadn't ever particularly considered that amuro and char are gay for each other, but hoo boy is that quite of a bit of tomino saying "man amuro and char are maybe probably gay for each other" i find this very amusing, thanks for sharing
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Nov 10, 2016 14:35
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Which ones do
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Nov 13, 2016 03:52
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trailery a baoa qu is pretty weak, though the short bit where darryl's prosthetic arm fails him while he's fighting is a pretty good wrap up to where his story arc ends up taking him.
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Nov 13, 2016 04:51
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it's fairly good, though for me thunderbolt's best moment is the short scene transition between darryl's hand holding his father's hand, immediate cut to darryl's ruined arm in the exact same position it's just such a brutal sledgehammer of emotion that immediately conveys to the viewer that darryl losing his limbs is more than just a physical impediment, i love it so much
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Midjack posted:Please explain how Char goaded the Zabis into killing his dad while Char was in elementary school, because I don't remember that at all. I think that's just confusing sentence structure. Pretty sure the actual meaning is "the zabis might not have killed zeon. Also, if it wasn't for char, the zabis might not have started the war."
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