Gunthread II: The Gunnening

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Rahu: Feb 14, 2009; let me just check my figures real quick here; Grimey Drawer

Effectronica posted:

the gun advocate argues that police will not defend you

The supreme court argues this as well.

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CommieGIR: Aug 22, 2006; The blue glow is a feature, not a bug; Pillbug

C.M. Kruger posted:

Hmm.

Thinks his opponents are subhuman

Describes them as "goblins"

Rants about how morally superior he is

Wants to ban guns

Cites holocaust denial websites

Tell us Tezzor, have you ever shot your niece because she wanted to date a dashing young Stormtrooper instead of you? Have you ever fled to Argentina via U-Boat? Are you a vegan?

Oh man, who ripped a nasty one in here?

# ? Oct 19, 2015 03:07

PCOS Bill: May 12, 2013; by FactsAreUseless

Jastiger posted:

This is a good post that has yet to be addressed.

PCOS Bill?

The South is the best part of the US

# ? Oct 19, 2015 03:08

CommieGIR: Aug 22, 2006; The blue glow is a feature, not a bug; Pillbug

PCOS Bill posted:

The South is the best part of the US

There it is again. Open a window of something.

# ? Oct 19, 2015 03:10

Jastiger: Oct 11, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

It is demonstrably the worst, but you should focus on the Gunt hing. its a point I've raised with some pro gun people I know. Why is it OK to have guns for self defense in all cases except *laundry list of arbitrary things*. If one has a felony, they don't deserve a gun? If one has depression, they shouldn't have a gun? How do we find out?

Either all citizens have a right to self defense or they don't. One can't be pro gun rights for citizens and then try to restrict citizens on arbitrary information.

# ? Oct 19, 2015 03:11

Panzeh: Nov 27, 2006; "..The high ground"

If you look at the leading advocates of gun control during the off-season it's a cavalcade of democrats who are basically a who's who of pro-privatization anti-labor pro-charter politicians.

# ? Oct 19, 2015 03:13

PCOS Bill: May 12, 2013; by FactsAreUseless

Jastiger posted:

It is demonstrably the worst, but you should focus on the Gunt hing. its a point I've raised with some pro gun people I know. Why is it OK to have guns for self defense in all cases except *laundry list of arbitrary things*. If one has a felony, they don't deserve a gun? If one has depression, they shouldn't have a gun? How do we find out?

Either all citizens have a right to self defense or they don't. One can't be pro gun rights for citizens and then try to restrict citizens on arbitrary information.

I responded to that post

# ? Oct 19, 2015 03:20

gohmak: Feb 12, 2004; cookies need love

PCOS Bill posted:

Nearly fifty years after John F. Kennedy first condemned corrupt leadership in the American labor movement, it is still plagued by rampant corruption, embezzlement, racketeering and influence from numerous organized crime organizations. From penny-ante theft to multi-million dollar embezzlement schemes, labor leaders continue to violate the trust of the members they claim to represent.

The labor movement is nothing but the sum of its many parts�millions of working Americans who�ve entrusted union leaders to spend a portion of their hard earned salary for the benefit of the collective good. Financially speaking, the sum of the movement�s parts totals more than $10 billion dollars annually in mandatory dues and controls another $400 billion in financial assets in strike funds, pension plans, and health care benefits.

In fact, in just the last five years, hundreds (maybe thousands) of labor leaders at all levels of the movement have been convicted of embezzlement, corruption, racketeering, or engaging in organized crime. The problem is rampant, getting worse, and yet the unions seemingly refuse to address it.
Key Findings:

The Labor-Management Reporting and Disclosure Act�s (LMRDA) reliance on self-government, public disclosure, and ultimately deterrence has failed;
The Department of Labor�s (DOL) Office of Labor-Management Standards (OLMS) has investigated and prosecuted union leaders for embezzling more than $100 million in union dues since 2001;
Investigations by the DOL�s Office of Inspector General, which investigates labor racketeering and organized crime�s influence within the labor movement, has resulted in more than $1 billion in fines, restitutions, and forfeitures;
Fewer than 5 percent of unions audited by the DOL received unqualified passes.
https://www.unionfacts.com/article/crime-and-corruption/

UNION... BAD? NO NOT CAN BE!

A bad union is better than no union. Ask the NRA

# ? Oct 19, 2015 03:22

Who What Now: Sep 10, 2006; by Azathoth

PCOS Bill posted:

The South is the best part of the US

Sherman's only failing in life is that he didn't destroy nearly enough of the south. Namely all of it.

# ? Oct 19, 2015 03:23

Who What Now: Sep 10, 2006; by Azathoth

Worthwhile things the South has ever given the world:

*circkets*

# ? Oct 19, 2015 03:26

Jastiger: Oct 11, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

PCOS Bill posted:

I responded to that post

I feel like you dodged it

# ? Oct 19, 2015 03:27

DeusExMachinima: Sep 2, 2012; This poster loves police brutality, but only when its against minorities!

Put this loser on ignore immediately!

Jastiger posted:

It is demonstrably the worst, but you should focus on the Gunt hing. its a point I've raised with some pro gun people I know. Why is it OK to have guns for self defense in all cases except *laundry list of arbitrary things*. If one has a felony, they don't deserve a gun? If one has depression, they shouldn't have a gun? How do we find out?

Either all citizens have a right to self defense or they don't. One can't be pro gun rights for citizens and then try to restrict citizens on arbitrary information.

I'll take this.

If you're out of jail/an institution you get your rights back. If you don't want Person X to have their rights back, they don't get out. If they do get out and you don't like them having their rights back you can stuff it.

If this enables more people to make a choice to end their lives, ill-advised or not, that's their choice. Domestic abusers who have made threats on someone's life should be locked up and had the keys thrown away. No more special fluffy treatment for them, they're guilty of deadly assault. Anything falls in the cracks here, too bad. Not having second-class citizens (outside of jail or involuntary mental holds) is more important.

# ? Oct 19, 2015 04:05

Effectronica: May 31, 2011; Fallen Rib

Rahu posted:

Please settle down with the personal attacks friend, we are all gathered here in this thread to discuss how guns are cool and rad

Now to focus on your the words in your post, that I read.

For this example we will assume that Anwar al-Awlaki did absolutely nothing to encourage domestic terrorism, as that is the least amount of encouragement possible.

To encourage domestic terrorism more than zero, they must have done something, anything at all, to encourage domestic terrorism. I am asking you what that is.

I wrote, in the original post you did not read, an exact answer to that question. I will not repeat it, because I have a religious obligation not to repeat myself when talking to rats, lice, other vermin, etc.

You could demand that you need an exact quote, from an NRA member, in support of "you'll take my guns from my cold, dead, hands", "gun control is just the thin end of the wedge for banning guns outright", and "we shouldn't use emotion determine our reaction to mass shootings". But this is facile, and plainly a case of valuing the form but not function of debate, just like the nasal whine of fallacy names endemic to gun advocate posts. So, basically, go jump in a lake.

# ? Oct 19, 2015 04:13

Rent-A-Cop: Oct 15, 2004; I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

DeusExMachinima posted:

Not having second-class citizens (outside of jail or involuntary mental holds) is more important.

I feel like that would require a functional justice system.

# ? Oct 19, 2015 04:14

Effectronica: May 31, 2011; Fallen Rib

DeusExMachinima posted:

I'll take this.

If you're out of jail/an institution you get your rights back. If you don't want Person X to have their rights back, they don't get out. If they do get out and you don't like them having their rights back you can stuff it.

If this enables more people to make a choice to end their lives, ill-advised or not, that's their choice. Domestic abusers who have made threats on someone's life should be locked up and had the keys thrown away. No more special fluffy treatment for them, they're guilty of deadly assault. Anything falls in the cracks here, too bad. Not having second-class citizens (outside of jail or involuntary mental holds) is more important.

So you live in a parallel universe where reform is impossible for crimes if it would make sense to restrict gun ownership for people guilty of them. What a hellscape.

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exmarx: Feb 18, 2012; The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.

Somebody can make another gun thread when the next mass shooting happens. Shouldn't be too long a wait :angel:

# ? Oct 19, 2015 04:18

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