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Eiba
Jul 26, 2007


Is there any reason Rey can't be Luke's kid? I mean, she seems pretty young, but Han doesn't seem to recognize her or guess that she might be his daughter. I mean, anything's possible, there's a bunch of ways she could be Han's kid and I honestly think that's most likely, but I think the alternative is interesting.

That would also change the dynamic of Kylo and Rey- rather than being twins (again), they would be defined by their common grandparent. Darth Vader. That emphasis could be a bit more upsetting for Rey. Especially if she thinks Luke let her down or whatever (clearly something's gone wrong with Luke's story because he hasn't made a new Jedi order yet). She'd have no pride in her background, only shame and self-doubt.

Being ashamed of her birthright while being all buddy-buddy with Han seems a bit silly, even if he doesn't have anything directly to do with it.

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Eiba
Jul 26, 2007


Gonz posted:

Perhaps Rey is unaware of her lineage, also.
At the start, probably. But the last summary I read said that Han takes her and Finn to that force sensitive pirate lady who tells her ~something~, and she spends the rest of the movie making Finn carry Anakin's light saber until the climax.

Though putting it that way... perhaps she just gets told it had been used to kill dozens of children by Darth Vader. That would be a sympathetic motive for not touching the thing.

Eiba
Jul 26, 2007


Fragmented posted:

You assholes almost had me blacklist any internet star wars discussion. I thought there was an actual script leak or something. So far this sounds like poo poo you would regularly read in magazines and poo poo. Has the main thread gone super "no spoilers!" nerd or what?

Edit: you should rename this thread spoiler speculation because this is pretty weak so far(thankfully)
Most of the plot has been leaked (accurately or not). Kylo Ren kills Han. Luke doesn't appear until the very end.

There's a few bits we don't know specifically. Like Fin, Han, and Rey get told something important at the halfway point by the pirate lady, and Kylo Ren and Han have some sort of meaningful exchange before he dies, but we don't know that Kylo is Han's son.

Assuming the leaks aren't bullshit.

Obviously the discussion is going to center around the few things that aren't known, rather than most of the film that is known. But to be honest, this thread basically exists because we know that Han dies and that knowledge being out there understandably upsets people who are avoiding spoilers.

Eiba
Jul 26, 2007


Kylo Ren has to be Han and Leia's. I mean, not just anyone can up and kill Han. It's gotta mean something.

Han being killed by his own son, and Kylo Ren killing his own father means a lot more than if he was killing his uncle.

Rey being Luke's does raise the question of who the mother is, but fortunately we've got a whole two other movies to explore that. It's an opportunity to add to Luke's back story (what happened between movies at least), which is going to be relevant sooner or later.

Eiba
Jul 26, 2007


LORD OF BUTT posted:

That is actually a fair point, though, why would he be signed on for more if his character dies in this one? Han's not force-sensitive, so he couldn't show up as a force ghost. Flashbacks, maybe, but kinda doubtful.
Apparently there's a message Luke has left for Rey near the end of this movie. Han may have left a message to a loved one... or even his son. If Kylo Ren is to be turned from the dark side after killing his father, some positive words from Han might go a long way.

Gonz posted:

This may or may not be bullshit (it's almost certainly bullshit):

http://comicbook.com/2015/11/08/huge-spoiler-last-name-of-star-wars-the-force-awakens-character-/

Finn Calrissian, eh?
His name comes from his stormtrooper serial number.

Eiba
Jul 26, 2007


Groovelord Neato posted:

lmao. you're defending obscenely rich people being crabs about what made them obscenely rich.
No, you're just being really unimaginative and that guy is pretty spot on.


Imagine you're an actor. And you personally don't like, I dunno, romantic comedies (replace with any genre you're actually not too enthusiastic about). You got into it for playing sci-fi action heroes. But one day you get offered a gig in a romantic comedy, and, whatever, it pays well and won't be too hard so why not? Turns out to be the highest grossing romantic comedy of all time. You've made it big and you're set for life, and there's legions of... I don't know, middle aged ladies out there who think you're just precious or whatever. You can never go out in public again without being recognized for that one movie. You'll probably have it's cheesy lines quoted to you on the street for the rest of your life.

But whatever. You're rich now, right? It's okay. You do the circuit, keep up enough enthusiasm for the cameras, get on with life.

But deep down in your heart you don't really like that movie. You never will. It's just not your thing. It's kind of unpleasant to be associated with.

How annoying of you.


Harrison Ford doesn't sound like one of the most pleasant of people in general, but your specific criticism is idiotic.

Eiba
Jul 26, 2007


Kelp Plankton posted:

Why would there be nerd rage over killing off a character that nobody knows anything about
You don't need to know anything about her. Just look at her! Soo cool! :swoon:

Call it the Boba Fett effect if you want.

I mean, hopefully she'll be a more interesting character than Boba Fett, but even if she had just as minor and relatively pointless of a role, she'd probably have a similar following just based on how cool she is aesthetically/conceptually.

And I'm fine with that. :colbert:

Eiba
Jul 26, 2007


Kanji Club?

Kanji Club!?

That is either the best or worst name for a group of interplanetary raiders.

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

Yeah looking at it even further the design on the right kind of sucks. Its just a cartoon character, just an exaggeration of some old wrinkly old man with a soggy left eye. The one on the left is legit unsettling and enticing. It's really loving cool.
What kind of hosed up cartoons have you been watching? The one on the right is collapsing into itself with some sort of internal decay. He's literally rotting away with age like a month old jack-o-lantern.

The one on the left is just burned. It's a pretty hosed up burn, but it doesn't combine that superficial disgust with the horror of entropy and age like the other one does.

Eiba
Jul 26, 2007


Jose Oquendo posted:

It was obvious as day. Not sure who could have missed that.
No need to be a jerk about it. Not all of us have memorized every corridor in Star Wars. I knew it was a meaningful corridor, but I didn't know for sure it was Bespin until that guy posted what he did, so I'm thankful he did.

Eiba
Jul 26, 2007


Lunchmeat Larry posted:

What real spoilers do we know about so far? I haven't really been paying attention.
Exterior filming in Dubrovnik for a space casino setting, and possibly a speeder chase scene where Finn rides a space horse.

Possibly Leia goes into a coma and someone else takes leads the resistance in her absence.

If you're looking for fairly reliable spoilers, this is where you want to check. They have lots of pictures of stone beehive huts being constructed, presumably for scenes on Luke's hermit planet without actually filming on Skellig Michael, which is amusing to me because the huts we saw in the Force Awakens were legitimately made by Irish monks, and their designs are being copied faithfully for a modern sci-fi movie.

Eiba
Jul 26, 2007


I think the valid argument is more, "This exciting connection to an obscure character is not especially appealing to the target audience."

If they explain Snoke from scratch, audiences will get that. If he's the old Emperor's Sith teacher, that reads as "impressive super evil guy" and does the job nicely, without any additional lore.

If he's related to one of those funny looking badguys in that cartoon... well, I mean, sure he could be. But why? It'd be an extraneous detail that wouldn't add to the story in the movie and would possibly constrain what they could do if they were going to make an original backstory for Snoke.

I'm not convinced by the argument "he can't be original!" or "he can't be Plagueis!" It's probably one of those two options.

Eiba
Jul 26, 2007


Waffles Inc. posted:

From like two pages ago—seems like the beats could line up with some of the trailer stuff
You mean the one from two pages ago... that started out by outlining the trailer that would be released today to establish credibility and got it 100% wrong?

This trailer confirmed it to be nonsense.

Eiba
Jul 26, 2007


thrawn527 posted:

How so? Actually asking.
Assuming we're talking about the 4chan screenshot quoted a couple posts ago, read the last paragraph in the first post. It says the trailer's going to have an opening shot with Snoke, end on a shot of Snoke's guard, and bunch of other stuff that's not in the trailer. The prediction is made so that we can verify that this person actually has insider information. It actually verifies that the person did not have insider information.

Eiba
Jul 26, 2007


thrawn527 posted:

Ewoks are cute. Porgs are cute. BB-8 is cute. Star Wars creates opportunities for merchandising.
It's funny how the "cool" things never get this kind of reaction. Just the cute things. No one made a compilation of Kylo Ren's mask merchandise. Or Darth Maul back in the day.

"Cool things aren't just there to sell toys, they're cool and I like them! I don't like this cute thing... therefore it only exists to sell toys."

Cool things are cool and cute things are cute and this whole movie is indulgent feel-good entertainment. Nerds getting worked up about things that don't target them directly are pathetic.

Porgs are cute. :3:

Eiba
Jul 26, 2007


Man, just imagine what it's going to be like when there's an actual major movie out with porgs in them. Feels like everyone's lost their poo poo one way or another over them and all we have is some merchandise... well, a whole ton of merchandise, and like half a second in a trailer.

Eiba
Jul 26, 2007


Wild Horses posted:

you cannot say i didn't try
You tried to throw a bucket of water on the flames. You threw a bucket of gasoline on some embers instead.

I guess you still tried.

Porgs are great though and there's nothing wrong with what's happening in this thread. Let it all burn.

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Eiba
Jul 26, 2007


Doronin posted:

I think Solo is going to be fine. I really just want to see a Star Wars movies with fairly low stakes where some folks steal some poo poo.
Yeah, that's about where I am.

I don't really care about Han Solo, and people are right that giving him a backstory and explaining everything about him in one incident is kind of lame... but since I don't care about him, I don't care about all that. If you put that aside it looks like it'll be a fun crime adventure in the Star Wars world. That should be fun to watch.

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