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PoizenJam
Dec 2, 2006

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jm20 posted:

Prior to outright repealing C-51, which should happen, there should be made a report that outlines the number of events prevented, and whether or not the information gathered under c-51 as being the root cause for that preventative action. Blackout the events all you want, I want to see concrete examples and numbers made public as to the efficacy of the blanket charter abuse to date.

I know you're not this naive but drat is it ever cute when people think partisan politicians actually give a poo poo what policy analysts say.

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PoizenJam
Dec 2, 2006

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EvilJoven posted:

*Half of cabinet is women* MISOGYNY MISOGYNY THESE WOMEN DON'T ALL OCCUPY THE MOST INFLUENTIAL OF CABINET POSITIONS.

Holy loving poo poo turn it off for a bit.

I get what you're driving at but let's be honest- you could rephrase this line of reasoning to sound pretty appalling.

Take for example:

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*gay sex is no longer illegal* HOMOPHOBIA HOMOPHOBIA THESE GAY PEOPLE STILL CAN'T GET MARRY.

Holy loving poo poo turn it off for a bit

If your goal is full equal representation and equality, half measures don't cut it; and no amount of inequality, no matter how small, is justified.

PoizenJam
Dec 2, 2006

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CLAM DOWN posted:

Well, he's not wrong.

This. I've been gaming since childhood- born in 88 and the NES was my first system, but somewhere around my mid 20s I got real tired of the community in general. I've never seen a group of people so angry and unpleasant as FPS-pros and the MOBA community, and hearing 'human being', 'bitch', and all kinds of racially motivated epithets being thrown around lost its appeal. That plus the samey-ness of most competitive multiplayer MOBAs and FPSes got old.

Then gamergate happened and I pretty much opted out of identifying as a 'gamer' at all. I'm happy playing my single player games and roguelikes

PoizenJam
Dec 2, 2006

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jm20 posted:

The CF is more about wanton sexual abuse than domestic violence resulting in the death of spouses. Though I bet both are much higher than the national average.

CF also doesn't give much of a poo poo about racism, sexism, or homo/transphobia despite claims of having a 'zero tolerance' policy for those kinds of discrimination.

Didn't stop any soldiers on any of my courses or taskings from yelling 'human being' 4 dozen times a day and harassing female co-workers. I complained about it once and got sent to a loving chaplain. Good job guys, send the LBGT soldier to a catholic chaplain because he's the target of homophobic insults. Right on. :v:

PoizenJam
Dec 2, 2006

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Coolwhoami posted:

poo poo, it's turning excuses into money, that's god drat alchemy right there.

Converting the lies and excuses of politicians into cold hard cash would be the greatest boon on humanity since agriculture.

PoizenJam
Dec 2, 2006

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PT6A posted:

Because no one else delivers roast chicken when I'm drunk or high, duh. Why anyone would dine in at either of those chains is completely beyond me, though. Apparently it happens!

Because myself and my partner are debt ridden loser students who still like to go to a 'sit down' restaurant once in a while.

But really I just no longer have a rotisserie cooker :(

PoizenJam
Dec 2, 2006

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The Dark One posted:

In these moments of pain and tension, let us bond over the fact that Canadians from every region have the capacity to be extremely poo poo:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/steve-smith-spaniards-bay-1.3416539

Oh God gently caress this story so hard and the ignorant baywop fucks marching their children out in support of a man's right to harass women with hardcore pornography in the workplace.

I can't believe I made it out of the bay without becoming a homophobic, sexist redneck gently caress.

PoizenJam
Dec 2, 2006

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Seriously I am never moving back to the shithole that is most of rural Newfoundland (or rural anywhere, really). I will not subject any of my hypothetical future children to that kind of culture.

But my primary avenues of employment are government work and academia so thankfully I'll be staying far away from rural communities for the forseeable future. I have been having some fun relentlessly mocking the supporters on CBC Newfoundland and Labrador tho.

Edit: A lot of people are trotting out the standard 'PC gone mad!' and oversensitivity arguments so I've had some good luck turning the tables and essentially asking if these men are too sensitive to be told they're being unprofessional.

PoizenJam fucked around with this message at 07:47 on Jan 23, 2016

PoizenJam
Dec 2, 2006

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vyelkin posted:

http://www.cp24.com/news/federal-government-to-sign-trans-pacific-partnership-1.2750826


lol yeah you guys we're totally signing this but fingers crossed we might not ratify it in the end!!

PoizenJam
Dec 2, 2006

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I don't really get nihilism being inherently depressing. I consider it quite liberating. I'd even go so far as to say nihilism, combined with my rejection of free will, ultimately increased my compassion toward my fellow man. Boosted my overall happiness and even time spent volunteering. This is all we have. We're all victims of circumstance, so just try to be good to one another.

I'm nearing 30 and I've been through some pretty poo poo periods. I know statistically speaking worse poo poo is likely to come too. That being said nothing thus far has shaken my belief, and said belief has been relatively stable since I gave up being a libertarian shithead almost a decade ago.

PoizenJam
Dec 2, 2006

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Rime posted:

Should we even feel pity for people this stupid? That kid will probably get a much better upbringing in adoptive care, based on how the parents decided to shuffle off the mortal coil. :colbert:

Don't you think 'why are these people so doing stupid things?' Is at least a pertinent question instead of just writing addicts and users off as some kind of Darwinian mistake?

People rarely do things unprompted with no motivation, and drug use is intricately tied up in issues of socioeconomic status, education levels, and mental health issues.

PoizenJam
Dec 2, 2006

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sliderule posted:

It's not hypocritical to fail to categorize opiates in with weed in terms of harm. I put it to you that YOU are the one who is incorrect, sir.

The arguments used to support prohibition of 'hard drugs' are the same as arguments used in favour of prohibiting marijuana. It's equally flawed in both contexts. PT6A is right on this point.

That one is measurably more harmful than another doesn't change the fact when you prohibit the consumption of a substance, you've essentially just created a black market and all the bad things that come with it. And instead of taking in money from taxes, you're throwing money into a furnace trying to engage in a war on drugs. Meanwhile, the addicts and mentally ill (Whom this law is ostensibly designed to 'protect') have a harder time seeking help or getting treated as they are shamed and ostracized for using the substance.

I don't believe for one second if heroin was legalized tomorrow that there'd be a huge uptick in users of heroin, so perhaps you can explain to me what the practical benefits of prohibition are? Can someone tell me what the goal of prohibition is? By what measure could it be determined to be a success?

PoizenJam
Dec 2, 2006

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Every public policy option ought to have a purpose or goal, and a metric by which it can be judged as a success or failure. The purpose of prohibition seems to be the elimination of the drug's availability, yet prohibition of various substances has utterly failed in achieving said goal pretty much every time it's ever been tried- and in fact has caused measurable harm in many cases. Is there some other purpose I'm missing? What's the end game here? Do we just keep bad policy because it feels right? Because it makes non-users feel good and superior?

PoizenJam
Dec 2, 2006

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Helsing posted:

This is some high school level stupidity. We don't have to choose between two monolithic options, with A) being the status quo of militarized prohibition and B) being the total legalization of every dangerous and addictive recreational substance.

Try and follow through on your own logic here. I guess we should just legalize and tax anything people could ever conceivably want to use because otherwise there will be a black market. Guns, drugs, hell we had better start taxing and regulating the Ebola market before some mafia entrepreneur starts selling to children -- think of all the taxes we'd be missing out on then!

Should we have a militarized policing approach to drug users? No, obviously not. If somebody gets caught with a couple grams of heroin in their pocket they shouldn't be thrown in jail. Should dealers -- or even worse businesses -- be allowed to sell addictive and dangerous drugs with impunity just so that we can tax them? No loving way, that's beyond stupid. Maybe we should just open up the market for Monsanto to start making and selling designer pills while we're at it. I mean, what could go wrong?

We probably shouldn't try to regulate the emissions from cars or factories either. We should also stop trying to regulate building safety -- we're just going to create a black market for unscrupulous builders, and we'll lose out on more tax revenue.

Then tell me- what's the goal of prohibition? How can it be determined to be a success or failure? Clearly I'm not arguing that prohibition of anything and everything is unwarranted. You bring up guns, which is a good point - we have metrics that we use to determine whether such policies have a measurable effect. Rates of gun violence in crime, rates of suicide using guns. You mention car emission standard. Great- another policy for which we have a metric to judge the success of. Experimental drugs? Reasonable regulations and testing standards reduce the chance of a dangerous drug getting to market.

I don't feel the same can be said about prohibition of recreational illicit substances.

So please don't misrepresent the crux of my argument, or imply I'm some kind of an idiot. I expected more from you given your post history. I have worked in public policy for some time, and left only to pursue higher education and a position in academia. It isn't that prohibition/regulations are by definition a failure and never work for anything in any context. It's that there is no good metric by which we can determine whether such prohibition is a success or not for drugs.

Edit: Quite frankly any public policy that lacks a metric to assess its success/failure is just as bad as an unfalsifiable hypothesis.

PoizenJam fucked around with this message at 20:32 on Jan 28, 2016

PoizenJam
Dec 2, 2006

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sliderule posted:

You're okay giving unlimited money to an opium addict?

Is today Strawman Celebration Day or something? Sweet Christ.

PoizenJam
Dec 2, 2006

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Well just to clarify, Helsing, my position is not that prohibition, as a concept, is inherently useless.

Just if we accept policy-makers statements that prohibition is ostensibly to 'reduce crime', 'improve health', and 'reduce availability of _____ substance', then by their own metrics drug prohibition has been an abysmal failure at best, and has exacerbated these issues at worst. And if that's the case we have little justification for maintaining the status quo. I did not intend the scope of my comment to extend beyond that.

Edit: Reading the rest of your post, you're right in that our ability to do any kind of careful controlled experiment to determine which policy is best is limited. You can't randomly assign people to countries with different regulations and laws, clearly. It's all going to be AB non-experimental designs- but that doesn't make it useless. We can still assess policies before and after implementation by the chosen metrics, and there's no reason to continue a failed policy.

Also important side note, I acknowledge that no amount of science or statistics can tell us what our values, as a society, ought to be- only whether we are effective in effecting such a value. If we have decided as a society that drug users are filthy subhumans who should be locked away, then yes, I guess our current system is effective. I just want honesty in the stated intentions and goals.

PoizenJam fucked around with this message at 21:42 on Jan 28, 2016

PoizenJam
Dec 2, 2006

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You can get addicted to anything, and it's hard to make broad assumptions about how addictive something is to everyone. I had a harder time kicking my WoW habit back in 2006 than I did kicking my cigarette habit. Heck I had a harder time cutting back on weed than cigarettes (mostly because I had free access to it through much of my undergrad years).

Yes there is a meaningful difference between substances which directly drive addiction, and things to which you develop a 'psychological addiction', but one isn't necessarily stronger than another, nor is it automatically worse (withdrawal symptoms notwithstanding!).

Edit: Funny, I just noticed I got my SA account the same day I quit WoW. Trading one addiction for another I guess :v:

PoizenJam fucked around with this message at 22:09 on Jan 28, 2016

PoizenJam
Dec 2, 2006

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Does WoW even qualify as gamer-crack anymore? That poo poo is old- surely the playerbase has shrunk tremendously by now.

PoizenJam
Dec 2, 2006

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You might want to pick a better target for your potshot than someone who spent the last two pages agreeing with you.

That being said freemium games are pretty lovely and exploitative, as are most micro transaction and DLC heavy games. But If anything *were* to be done I'd suggest restricting the abstraction of currency so that people realize they paid $40 for the loving duff brewery in Simpsons: tapped out. That poo poo is pretty weaselly.

PoizenJam
Dec 2, 2006

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PT6A posted:

We sell plenty of things off-the-shelf that can kill or significantly harm you if you don't dose it properly, or if you mix it with something else, including Tylenol.

The fact tylenol is on the shelf and not over-the-counter nearly negates the point of over-the-counter in the first place. I can't believe I only learned its safety margin recently and I was blown away.

PoizenJam
Dec 2, 2006

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Is this true of all multivitamins and all supplements? I used to use a multivit, omega-3 pills, and protein supplements when I was on a low-calorie exercise regimen.

PoizenJam
Dec 2, 2006

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Helsing posted:

Well there are actually two seperate medical questions here. One is whether there's actually any point in taking multivitamins or vitamin supplements. For instance, vitamin C supplements caught on almost entirely because of the discredited ideas of Linus Pauling. At best they are harmless, at very high doses they may cause liver failure.

Oh yeah, I'm quite familiar with his loony-streak over Vitamin C in the latter stages of his career.

Helsing posted:

However there's also a seperate issue: do these supplement pills contain the ingredients they claim to? The front-line documentary CI just posted is detailing stories where people purchased supplements that either didn't contain the products they advertised, or else contained additional harmful by-products.

This is quite worrying and lovely, though.

Helsing posted:

As far as the specific supplements you mentioned I think that most nutritionists and doctors agree that there are proven benefits to consuming mega-3s, and protein supplements, when combined with resistance training, have been proven to increase muscle mass. You really want to pay attention to who you buy those things from though. Also if you have any serious questions you should really just talk to a doctor and not trust what I or anyone else on the internet tells you.

W.R.T. the comment about talking to a doctor- of course, if these were serious or critical questions about my health. I knew the benefits of a Centrum Multivitamin were iffy at best so I was most interested in omega-3 and protein supplements. Common wisdom is they're good for you, and I was wondering whether common wisdom was completely wrong on that point.

Count Roland posted:

CBC made a retraction a week or two ago on this story. They had their vitamins examined at a lab, and some big pharma's product was found to be dramatically lacking its supposed ingredients. Big news. Except the lab results were faulty, apparently.

I'm not one for conspiracies but that seems a little fishy on its face.

PoizenJam
Dec 2, 2006

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poo poo- I honestly thought motrin was the safer of the two. Don't know where I got that idea. I've been taking extra strength motrin pretty much daily for a while now. I had an arthroscopy and dual ligament replacement on my ankle in September and after the percocets ran out it was about the only thing that worked.

Maybe :420: would have been a better option :v:

PoizenJam
Dec 2, 2006

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advil on an empty stomach is pretty much a guaranteed vomiting fit.

PoizenJam
Dec 2, 2006

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Nocturtle posted:

The Honda fit has the best external visibility of any compact/sedan I've driven recently. This is helpful when driving on the QEW where tailgating is standard.

You know I always hear people talk poo poo about motorists in Southern Ontario, yet you all actually know how to perform a goddamn zipper method following a lane closure. People actually merge in an orderly fashion and let others in. And you actually let people merge 90% of the time when someone's blinker is on for any other unspecified reason.

Try driving in Newfoundland where literally nobody has heard of the zipper method or gives a poo poo about letting others merge. Oh, your lane is ending and you want to merge into my lane? gently caress you, buddeh, you picked wrong. It's a cutthroat game of blocking people from entering your lane or alternatively cutting them off to get into the lane. If you have the poo poo luck to end up in a terminating lane in bumper to bumper traffic, you could easily find yourself waiting 5+ minutes just for someone to actually let you in.

PoizenJam
Dec 2, 2006

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Hamilton is a breeze to drive in. One way streets are fine because the directions alternate pretty reliably. Miss your turn? Two streets down is another going in the same way. The lack of left turn lanes in Toronto may be pretty poo poo but again it's all a breeze compared to the east coast. St. John's has intersections like loving Rawlin's Cross and Ordinance/Military with 5+ roads converging on one intersection, as well as random patches of one way streets that have one or two legitimate exits but will otherwise lead you in circles. And the rest of the Atlantic provinces aren't much better.

Trust me when I say the fact most of Southern Ontario is a grid makes it infinitely superior to most of the rest of the country's garbage roads. European style roadways (ie. following terrain and features) are a special hell.

PoizenJam fucked around with this message at 19:57 on Feb 8, 2016

PoizenJam
Dec 2, 2006

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PT6A posted:

At least there's a reason for this, since streets weren't really "planned." What really sucks is when lovely fuckass suburbs in new cities (like Calgary) try to approximate the same thing and it's loving impossible to find anything. What was so wrong with a grid system? Why did we have to create a bunch of lovely concentric circles and culdesacs? Additionally, why the gently caress are you naming all the roads in a community with near-identical names???

I don't mind themed names- there's a division in Mount Pearl (St. John's sister 'city') where all the street names are various gemstones (Ruby Line, Emerald Drive, etc.) That's actually a somewhat useful heuristic for finding your way around town- even if you don't know exactly where a street is, you can usually get nearby and look around if you're desperate.

but holy poo poo that roadmap BallsFalls posted is hilarious and the planners must hate people.

PoizenJam
Dec 2, 2006

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Note the satanic abuse scares were drummed up by psychotherapists, but their primary opponent was a psychologist by the name of Elizabeth Loftus. So it's not like the controversy was wholesale manufactured by psychology- the biggest opponents were psychologists, predominantly from the science stream.

So it's not some kind of given the gender issues of today are just bad psychology.

PoizenJam
Dec 2, 2006

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Is there any trans focused thread on SA anymore? I actually have a good faith question about a clinical aspect- particularly, if our culture placed less emphasis on gender and sex 'matching', would transitioning still be as prevalent? Undoubtedly some would still feel their body is wrong, as body dysphoria is absolutely still a thing. But if we didn't give a poo poo about males doing any traditionally feminine things, nor vice versa, I'm wondering if the same pressures to transition would be felt by those who are transgender.

I'm well read on most aspects of LBGT issues, but the clinical aspect of trans is not one of these things. So as not to further derail, I can be PMed or you can simply link some resources that can help me out.

PoizenJam
Dec 2, 2006

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Ahh, E/N. I poked around D&D but turned up nothing. Thanks.

PoizenJam
Dec 2, 2006

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PT6A posted:

I would like to make the point that, considering there was no chance I'd vote for the NDP in the election before last, apparently I made the correct choice by supporting Harper over Ignatieff. I assume the apologies will be forthcoming from those who doubted me :v:

I voted for Stephen Harper before 2011 as well. Note I flirted with libertarianism and objectivism up until 2008/2009 before flipping to hardcore socialism.

PoizenJam
Dec 2, 2006

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How fast could a legalization bill be tabled if they really wanted to push it through? Because I just see them dawdling about and maybe doing a commission or two and humming and hawing about global treaties preventing them from acting.

I know it actually takes time to draft up a bill and define the new laws and business regulations; but surely this is something that could be pushed through sooner rather than later if there was any commitment to it, right?

PoizenJam
Dec 2, 2006

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PT6A posted:

People look only at the downsides of police brutality too much, IMO.

I was going to say 'new thread title' but this isn't the BLM or American Politics thread.

PoizenJam
Dec 2, 2006

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I can accept that Hamilton smells like poo, and that housing is expensive... But a lack of restaurants and eateries is not a problem Hamilton has.

PoizenJam
Dec 2, 2006

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For what it's worth I'm quite happy living in Hamilton. I live in the downtown core and the smell is really only bothersome a couple days a year when the wind is unfortunate. It's worse as you go north and east though.

It's dense enough that you get many of the amenities of a large city but without the claustrophobia inducing skyscraper jungle of Toronto. Mind you, this opinion comes from someone who previously lived in St. John's (110k) and Glovertown (2.2k) so I don't have much of a frame of reference for larger Canadian cities.

mojo1701a posted:

Well, I'm looking at renting just so I can be closer to my job on the west side and live in a place that's a) not with my parents, and b) with some actual life in it.

I should probably go post this in the Hamilton meet-up thread.


There's a Hamilton meetup thread? :O

PoizenJam fucked around with this message at 19:38 on Feb 20, 2016

PoizenJam
Dec 2, 2006

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I live in 125 Wellington under Greenwin management... The renovations are nice but it's very much a lipstick-on-a-pig situation. Cockroaches are somewhat of a guarantee and you can probably count on a bedbug issue at least once.

PoizenJam
Dec 2, 2006

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CLAM DOWN posted:

Sounds like such a lovely place to live, I'm jealous.

My frame of reference for what's acceptable is coloured by never having lived in a place where either of those species existed (Both cockroaches and bedbugs are nearly unheard of in NL). My understanding is cockroaches are basically a given in a downtown core, while bedbugs are much less acceptable.

I'm a really clean person and live on the top floor so I haven't personally had a problem with bugs of either kind.

PoizenJam
Dec 2, 2006

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Hence the preface to the post that I don't particularly know what to expect/what's acceptable since prior to moving to Southern Ontario I had never so much as seen a cockroach or bed bug.

PoizenJam
Dec 2, 2006

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Mad Hamish posted:

Hey man, I legitimately love living here, it can just be intensely frustrating when withered old white men who hate the non-rich block sensible civic planning because it would interrupt the blowjob they're getting from construction companies.

I just want Hamilton to have nice things!

Despite grievances I may have with Greenwin Property Management in particular (as noted earlier), I really do love this city. The city has improved quite a bit from the nigh-unsalvageable shithole it was when I first visited the place a dozen years ago or so.

And McMaster campus is quite a nice place to work.


Mad Hamish posted:

Holy hell , how many Hamilton goons do we have here? Is there a meet up thread?

Indeed it seems there is- though it seems low activity as of late; Hamilton Goonmeet thread

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PoizenJam
Dec 2, 2006

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Heritage not hate... Hmm... Sounds familiar.

But in all honesty, while I knew the Redskins and Indians had abominably offensive logos and/or names, I didn't know the Blackhawks logo was included in the criticism. But I'll take the word of natives and native spokespersons on my the issue because I'm not a Native and I'm not an rear end in a top hat. Tradition can suck it.

Besides the 'new' Blackhawk logo floating around lately is bad rear end as hell.

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