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Angry Diplomat
Nov 7, 2009

Winner of the TSR Memorial Award for Excellence In Grogging
50k per person is a loving pittance for having one's entire life deliberately thrown down the shitter by a genocidal administration imo.

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Angry Diplomat
Nov 7, 2009

Winner of the TSR Memorial Award for Excellence In Grogging
We've been seeing less and less of most every kind of bug out here on the outskirts of Ottawa. Except box elder bugs. Those motherfuckers have been goddamn thriving and I hate them.

Angry Diplomat
Nov 7, 2009

Winner of the TSR Memorial Award for Excellence In Grogging

Wistful of Dollars posted:

I'm not letting weed turn me gay. :colbert:

Your loss imo, more weed for my husband and I

e: I can't wait until "bitching about weed prices in Ontario" is the new "bitching about liquor prices in Ontario"

Angry Diplomat
Nov 7, 2009

Winner of the TSR Memorial Award for Excellence In Grogging

vyelkin posted:

Dying for Wynne's weed profits

Kathleen Wynne's pot monopoly is turning everyone gay and this proves that she is the queer representation we have been needing. I am eager to vote Liberal again so that more of our critical infrastructure can be sold or contracted out to incompetent monopolistic assholes, because being slowly bled into poverty by a dysfunctional hell bureaucracy is the fondest wish of all us Ontario Gays

Angry Diplomat fucked around with this message at 03:54 on Oct 26, 2017

Angry Diplomat
Nov 7, 2009

Winner of the TSR Memorial Award for Excellence In Grogging

PittTheElder posted:

Yeah it's pretty crazy. The NDP has run basically a perfect show, no major missteps yet, but it'll still be a damned tough run in the next election.

I have a feeling this might have something to do with the fact that conservative media owners typically a) loving love the oil industry and b) are absolutely not shy about telling their peons what to publish

e: it will never cease to be absolutely loving incredible to me that the notion of a leftist media conspiracy has any traction at all when motherfuckers like Rupert Murdoch and his lovely son walk upon this Earth

Angry Diplomat
Nov 7, 2009

Winner of the TSR Memorial Award for Excellence In Grogging
After the relentless clusterfuck of broken promises we've seen, I would literally rather vote for an actual house fire than a Liberal candidate in every future federal election for the rest of my life.

I mean, that coffin only really needed one more nail, and that was them swearing up, down, and sideways that they'd pursue electoral reform and then immediately changing their minds when FPTP gave them a majority, but god drat they have just been filling that loving coffin with so many nails that it's more nail than coffin at this point

Angry Diplomat
Nov 7, 2009

Winner of the TSR Memorial Award for Excellence In Grogging
Yeah like it's straight up a given that I won't vote conservative because I'm not rich, an idiot, a psychopath, or PT6A, but it was nice having two other vaguely viable options in each election. It feels weird and unpleasant to be an NDP man by default because all other parties are either unconscionable or untenable. I don't think this is how democracy is supposed to work.

Angry Diplomat
Nov 7, 2009

Winner of the TSR Memorial Award for Excellence In Grogging

flakeloaf posted:

I thought we'd agreed two years ago that a liberal government that broke promises would be in every way better than a conservative government that kept them. You don't get to uncurl the monkey's finger after you get your wish.

A lot of things are better than a Conservative government behaving as it can be expected to, but that doesn't mean we have to pretend that a Liberal government doing the same isn't also loving terrible and unacceptable. "lovely, but not as lovely as it could be" is a really amazingly bad standard to which to hold the actual, top-level governance of one's entire country imo

Angry Diplomat
Nov 7, 2009

Winner of the TSR Memorial Award for Excellence In Grogging
Nuclear everything imo. Wanna play Angry Birds on a nuclear mobile phone

Angry Diplomat
Nov 7, 2009

Winner of the TSR Memorial Award for Excellence In Grogging

Guillotine

Angry Diplomat
Nov 7, 2009

Winner of the TSR Memorial Award for Excellence In Grogging

lmao this owns

Angry Diplomat
Nov 7, 2009

Winner of the TSR Memorial Award for Excellence In Grogging

namaste faggots posted:

I'm good with loving the RCMP in any way possible. gently caress the RCMP

Feels weird as hell to be agreeing with you, but here I am.

Angry Diplomat
Nov 7, 2009

Winner of the TSR Memorial Award for Excellence In Grogging

Wirth1000 posted:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/scheer-trudeau-payette-divine-intervention-1.4385895

Why not actually criticize the person who made those comments to begin with or even criticize both Trudeau AND Payette? Why just focus on Trudeau?

This guy's got a sterling career ahead of him in boxing, with reach like that.

Angry Diplomat
Nov 7, 2009

Winner of the TSR Memorial Award for Excellence In Grogging
Trudeau promised electoral reform and then point-blank went back on that, and that seems to have seriously pissed off a pretty good number of younger folks from my (admittedly anecdotal) experience, so I'm not sure it's quite that cut-and-dried.

Angry Diplomat
Nov 7, 2009

Winner of the TSR Memorial Award for Excellence In Grogging

Furnaceface posted:

Are you trying to say that PT6A has more room to grow that CI? Because that seems kind of harsh.

It's basically true though, PT6A is a gently caress-you-got-mine Canadian and CI is just a purely gently caress-you Canadian

Angry Diplomat
Nov 7, 2009

Winner of the TSR Memorial Award for Excellence In Grogging
See, I'm a little concerned that Trudeau's whole administration is going to be defined by a non-stop cavalcade of embarrassing high-profile poo poo like this by the time the next election rolls around, and people will vote in the Conservatives because the NDP is left of centre which means they're socialist which means they're communist which means they want to make Canada into the USSR

e: and then Canada will continue selling weapons but won't even pretend to have a moral excuse other than "money is good"

Angry Diplomat fucked around with this message at 23:32 on Nov 6, 2017

Angry Diplomat
Nov 7, 2009

Winner of the TSR Memorial Award for Excellence In Grogging
I'm pretty sure I've literally never heard "middle class" used in any context outside of incredibly rich people downplaying their wealth and modestly successful people trying to distance themselves from the working class. I don't know if that's just an Ottawa thing or what, but that's where I'm at.

Personally, I've been under the impression that it's basically a FYGM dogwhistle for a long time. It gets surreal to see a Liberal candidate whining about the poor put-upon middle class, Heart Of Our Economy, and then look around at all the working-class guys I go to work with every day and realize that absolutely nothing this person just said will ever meaningfully apply to them in any way.

There are only two classes: those who work if they're able, and those who don't need to work.

Angry Diplomat fucked around with this message at 22:26 on Nov 7, 2017

Angry Diplomat
Nov 7, 2009

Winner of the TSR Memorial Award for Excellence In Grogging


lmao

Angry Diplomat
Nov 7, 2009

Winner of the TSR Memorial Award for Excellence In Grogging

EvilJoven posted:

Go to a protest and scream and hit people because screaming feels good and inflicting pain on people you don't like is a thrill denying fascists a platform is the duty of all free and righteous people

Angry Diplomat
Nov 7, 2009

Winner of the TSR Memorial Award for Excellence In Grogging
Hitting Nazis is actually inherently good under all circumstances, but if you are going to do it you should at least conceal your identity and move with a group of similarly civic-minded citizens, because the police are there to enforce legality, not morality.

Angry Diplomat
Nov 7, 2009

Winner of the TSR Memorial Award for Excellence In Grogging
I think he might have put a little irony on that one.

But Nazis definitely have it coming.

CLAM DOWN posted:

^^^ there's regularly violence at all sorts of protests?

Cite examples, if you'd be so kind? There is also regularly no violence at all sorts of protests.

e: also, if Nazis aren't automatically included under someone's "people I don't like" well, hmm, hmmmmmm,

Angry Diplomat fucked around with this message at 18:50 on Nov 9, 2017

Angry Diplomat
Nov 7, 2009

Winner of the TSR Memorial Award for Excellence In Grogging
So what are you getting at? I'm confused, it's been a long week.

A lot of violence at protests that don't involve fascists seems to either come from or be provoked by the cops, or result from a very long and predictable buildup of anger and tension that the cops had every opportunity to try to defuse but instead responded to with more riot shields and pseudo-military dickwaving, so I'm a bit nonplussed here.

Like I'm not trying to poo poo on the cops, but this idea of nihilistic Black Bloc anarchists who show up to protests just to throw bricks is largely a paranoid right-wing fantasy and if another protester tries to convince you to do something to that effect he is absolutely 100% a cop

EvilJoven posted:

No I loving don't think it's good and if you take that post and the two before that as anything other than me expressing my extreme distaste at the fact that I now see the spotlight both on the left and the right being taken up by people on both sides who are screaming nonsense, arguing in bad faith, destroying property, hurting maiming and south of the border sometimes killing each other because of selfish reasons and cheap thrills, actions which are escalating the horrible state of the political climate here south of the border and across the globe, then gently caress you.

I haven't hurt anyone.

Ah yes, there are indeed good people on both sides

Angry Diplomat fucked around with this message at 18:54 on Nov 9, 2017

Angry Diplomat
Nov 7, 2009

Winner of the TSR Memorial Award for Excellence In Grogging

CLAM DOWN posted:

I don't know what you're getting at either. Those anarchists/Black Bloc/whatever are definitely a thing, although it's a lot less common than people think.

I guess we're both confused then? I think I misinterpreted your post as insinuating that left-wing violence at protests was a common occurrence. That's my bad.

Angry Diplomat
Nov 7, 2009

Winner of the TSR Memorial Award for Excellence In Grogging

Kraftwerk posted:

Hitting Nazis is cool and fine, but I think the point of his comments is that a lot of these people are just looking for something to be angry and outraged about rather than a legitimate concern for the issues.

Right, but the thing here (wrt in-person protests specifically) is that it's not "a lot of" people, it's a small handful of assholes. There was a pronounced anarchist presence at the Parliament Hill counterprotest I went to recently, and every time some Nazi came by to pick fights they would basically circle around him and mock him, isolating him and hustling him to the edge of the group so they could just shove him out (to be immediately marched away by the cops, natch). They're not stupid; they don't want to give the police an excuse to come down on them.

Anybody throwing bricks etc at a previously peaceful protest is either a world-class piece of poo poo or intentionally trying to disrupt the protest.

Social media is a whole different thing obviously, but ignorant angry people with a platform is hardly a new dynamic.

Angry Diplomat
Nov 7, 2009

Winner of the TSR Memorial Award for Excellence In Grogging
The TPP is bad, our economy is bad, and our voters are bad, but not as bad as the politicians they elect. This is a bad country that makes bad decisions. I hope this post has been informative

Postess with the Mostest posted:

True, we need winter equalization

lmao :golfclap:

Angry Diplomat
Nov 7, 2009

Winner of the TSR Memorial Award for Excellence In Grogging
No no, we should move all the snow and ice north to combat the melting of the ice caps

Angry Diplomat
Nov 7, 2009

Winner of the TSR Memorial Award for Excellence In Grogging

You know, I used to think there should be no platform for fascists and their lovely apologists, but now I'm thinking the gallows would suit them nicely

Angry Diplomat
Nov 7, 2009

Winner of the TSR Memorial Award for Excellence In Grogging
I'm just waiting for EvilJoven to use the term "virtue signalling" or accuse someone of reverse racism at this point.

Angry Diplomat
Nov 7, 2009

Winner of the TSR Memorial Award for Excellence In Grogging

JawKnee posted:

waiting? he's absolutely used the first, unsure about the second lol

lmao of course he has. Of course.

Angry Diplomat
Nov 7, 2009

Winner of the TSR Memorial Award for Excellence In Grogging

Wealthy Cabal Rejects Canada For Not loving Its Own People Hard Enough; Trudeau "Deeply Embarrassed," Says Aide

Angry Diplomat
Nov 7, 2009

Winner of the TSR Memorial Award for Excellence In Grogging

Reince Penis posted:

https://twitter.com/VancouverSun/status/931370132173094917


tl;dr : Proud boys go to a feminist bar where they've been told they aren't welcome, one gets bottled, :qq: to the newspaper.

This owns.

Angry Diplomat
Nov 7, 2009

Winner of the TSR Memorial Award for Excellence In Grogging

PT6A posted:

If your goal is less terror, which is probably what it should be, then imprisoning these people or shipping them off to a hellhole (where they will be imprisoned, and possibly tortured) is not going to work. We know that's only going to lead to an increase in radicalization, and further marginalize these people from society, which is going to constitute a sort of positive feedback loop that will create some really pissed off, radicalized terrorists with more connections to other people who feel similarly.

So, what are our options? We can either kill them, or treat them well and de-radicalize them under supervision. The first option is very practical, of course, but morally and ethically untenable. Which leaves us with "treat them well and de-radicalize them" as the only real option. Yes, it sucks that we have to spend money on that poo poo instead of providing housing for the homeless and whatnot, but it's the only way we can ensure the long-term safety of our society without crossing a major ethical red line. We should also figure out why they went nuts in the first place and use that information to prevent other people from doing it in the future.

I had to triple-check that it was you posting this. Seems like only yesterday you were asserting that sending our military overseas to bomb people is actually smart and good :psyduck:

Angry Diplomat
Nov 7, 2009

Winner of the TSR Memorial Award for Excellence In Grogging
There are definitely quite a few Canadians that nominally consider themselves "progressive" but don't actually give any kind of a meaningful gently caress about other people, largely due to being utterly incapable of looking outside their own perspective. Folks like that are absolutely susceptible to the alt-right's deliberately stilted interpretation of the principles of free speech, because oppression is a thing that happens to other people, and the idea that they themselves might suffer consequences for saying something, even if it's realistically something they would never say, is ridiculously frightening to them.

Political centrism is rife with cowards and sycophants imo.

Angry Diplomat fucked around with this message at 01:35 on Nov 23, 2017

Angry Diplomat
Nov 7, 2009

Winner of the TSR Memorial Award for Excellence In Grogging

DariusLikewise posted:

Disband the RCMP imo

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Angry Diplomat
Nov 7, 2009

Winner of the TSR Memorial Award for Excellence In Grogging

cowofwar posted:

I loving hate partisans so much. Blue santa, gently caress you.

Blue Santa is like regular Santa except instead of giving children presents, he gives all of the presents to the job creators, and some of the presents trickle down to the subset of children whose parents work for those job creators (the rest of the presents go directly to the job creators' children or are placed in offshore present shelters).

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