USPOL Nov: I would've preferred Huckabee have said nothing at all

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foobardog: Apr 19, 2007; There, now I can tell when you're posting.

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Republicans posted:

I miss that michael steele overlay.

I miss michael steele period.

From what I've seen of him afterward, he could have quietly started their necessary pivot away from racism, social conservatism, and scorched earth tactics, especially with the wins in 2010. But the suicidal fanatics thought that with a victory in 2010 and a true believer in 2012 they would have defeated liberalism forever.

Instead, the party is imploding to a regional rump party, rather than using people's short memories to suggest that they've always been at war with Eastasia.

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Mitt Romney posted:

If by rump party you mean national party which controls 70% of state legislatures, Senate, House, Supreme Court and is one president away from complete control of the federal government.

Any fights or differences are purely based on tactics and not ideology. The GOP have been very effective at passing legislation nationwide in the states they control.

The GOP's influence and power over America as a whole has only grown over time since 1994 until now (and likely until 2020 at minimum). 06-10 is the only blip in that timeline.

I don't deny this, but I guess I'm hoping I'm seeing the speaker debacle, and the primary as the light being brightest right before it goes out.

Audacious hope, I know. :obama:

# ¿ Nov 2, 2015 08:17

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The Iron Rose posted:

This is from a couple pages back, but I identify as a democrat and like FPTP so I'm literally the Great Satan

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Identifying as a Democrat is OK, really only LFian Marxoteens like me would whine, but there's not very much going for FPTP besides it being simple.

It's guaranteed to create two parties or only regional third parties at best, a majority of votes can and often do end up wasted, and voting against rather than for just ruins anyone's sense their voice is heard.

If there are literally only two possible choices like yes or no, it works, otherwise?

# ¿ Nov 2, 2015 18:24

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Radish posted:

Feeling bad for Steele is like feeling bad for Boehnor because he has to deal with the Tea Party. Don't. Strip out all the horrible social conservative stuff and they are still trying to regress the country to a pre-FDR standard for labor where children have to work in schools if they can't afford meals and you can fire a woman for being pregnant since that affects your bottom line.

Having someone who can at least be somewhat reasoned and bargained with is a good thing even if they are against basic parts of your platform.

Yes, never stop pressing the issue towards the right solution rather than the politely expedient, but if you can get something that can help people now go for it.

Admittedly, the Republicans trending back to 90s west coast Republicans is still not placing them in a good place, but it's a poo poo ton better than fanatics burning poo poo to the ground.

# ¿ Nov 2, 2015 18:31

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The Iron Rose posted:

FPTP promotes moderation in politics, and limits the range of acceptable political ideologies in a given system. It's why, say, UKIP isn't more popular. It screws fringe leftist/rightist parties and generally produces either two or three mostly centrist parties.

Which is great, the entire system is build upon slow, moderate change in one direction or another and I have no problem with more radical candidates being effectively shut out of the political process.

Funny I posted my call for moderation right after, but there's a lot to be said for the necessity of radical voices to drive the conversation in that direction.

If those are stamped out, you basically get a lazy political class who have no major differences on policy and require extreme measures to result in changes.

It's why America always does the right thing only after it's tried everything else.

Plus from a voter standpoint, feeling like you're throwing your vote away is killer for participation.

# ¿ Nov 2, 2015 18:35

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Spiffster posted:

Then what was the point in releasing something that can just be hand waved away so easily? Anon usually does a better job then this when they do have their mind set to do something. This just seems a little off and somewhat pointless.

Anonymous is, obviously, loosely organized, and has no real control over the name. Any jackanape can claim they are doing its work.

# ¿ Nov 2, 2015 19:00

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mcmagic posted:

Ladies and Gentlemen, your Liberal Media:

http://www.ibtimes.com/msnbc-hosts-who-went-palm-springs-koch-junket-score-historic-koch-interview-2165269

How gracious of the most visible of the American House of Lords to actually involve themselves with the people.

e: I just want to mention how much I love this old political cartoon, and especially the fact it's still completely accurate:

foobardog fucked around with this message at 20:57 on Nov 2, 2015

# ¿ Nov 2, 2015 20:49

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Captain_Maclaine posted:

And he subsequently blew it off as "well I don't endorse that sort of behavior but boy, you have to love how passionate my supporters can get right?"

It's a good sign of white privilege, because when the New Black Panther party showed up at polling places, conservatives acted like Obama ordered them to himself.

Trump? Aw, shucks, people get a little excited, don't ya know?

# ¿ Nov 3, 2015 00:11

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DaveWoo posted:

Yeah, the main criteria for my parents is that they "don't sound like a typical politician". Their actual policies are secondary.

I think the fact that the Presidential race is sometimes more about electing America's Father shouldn't be overlooked. It's completely part of the idea behind the type of candidate you'd like to have a beer with and Obamarama.

# ¿ Nov 3, 2015 21:31

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The image of being an outsider is often orthogonal to the reality. In 2012, Gingrich was "the outsider candidate". Gingrich, one of the most visible and popular Speakers of the House.

Remember, daddy giving you a job in the Texas Air National Guard means you are a war hero while actually going to war means you are an appeaser.

# ¿ Nov 3, 2015 23:32

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blue squares posted:

What is it like to live in a state that isn't run by idiots?

Not so fast, my friend. While those good things are happening, our tax crank's measure to require the legislature to offer a supermajority requirement on tax increases or sharply cut the sales tax is leading.

Washington is like all other states. Conservative assholes in the countryside balanced out by queer Socialists in the cities.

# ¿ Nov 4, 2015 18:31

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JT Jag posted:

My biggest takeaway from this article is that we need to make an English version of the German word "fachidiot".

I propose "Fascidiot": an idiot who hides his idiocy behind a fascade of competency in one area.

The English word for 'fachidiot' is 'fachidiot'. :colbert:

That's what's great about English. We don't putter around like French and try to make a word fit (Americans at least), we just take that word. You should remember this if you feel some angst over schadenfreude interrupting your weltschmerz over the common kulturkampf.

# ¿ Nov 6, 2015 23:18

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This won't hurt Carson at all. I woke up to my mom posting "Well Ben Carson made the media look like fools," on Facebook.

I think he might actually have psychological issues. A delusional narcissism, but I'm not a psychologist.

# ¿ Nov 7, 2015 23:35

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My mother is a retired God drat American Troop Hero, so you pinkos can get bent.

But drat does she have lovely political views.

# ¿ Nov 7, 2015 23:55

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FourLeaf posted:

How do states with open primaries work? I am very young and don't know. Do you choose one party's primary to vote in, or can you vote in both?

You used to be able to choose for each race in many states (but only one for each race), but the parties got that blocked. Now you just choose one.

You may also hear a jungle primary called an open primary and in that case all candidates are on the same ballot, and then top two move to the general regardless of party.

# ¿ Nov 8, 2015 10:57

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Lotka Volterra posted:

If there were a bunch of swastikas etched (or better yet, painted with poo poo) into White House bathrooms and (god knows why) Obama said that "Systematic oppression is your fault", I'm pretty sure impeachment proceedings would start yesterday.

Perhaps this would be the only way to get the Republicans in Congress to seriously attack racism.

# ¿ Nov 9, 2015 18:46

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Maarek posted:

The whole point of a protest is to force people to pay attention to you. You want the media to cover it so people can't just ignore the issue you care so much about. What, exactly, is the goal if you are throwing reporters out?

It's an interesting problem, because many reporters are just looking for that one thing they can use to delegitimatize the protest. It might be the same reason you refuse to let James O'Keefe in.

# ¿ Nov 11, 2015 02:50

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zoux posted:

James O'Keefe has never represented himself as a credentialed journalist.

PUGGERNAUT posted:

I'm not sure the reporters trying to get in to the protest had the, shall we say, "reputation" James O'Keefe did, though. Does anyone know anything about the reporter(s) filming?

He's merely an example. The point is that mainstream media has generally shown themselves in the past to not have protests' best interests in mind. Whether because of ideological malice or simply favoring exciting exceptions over boring commonality or a delusional adherence to "truth in the middle", reporters are not your friend.

Why do you think companies prefer to send out press releases rather than let a reporter in to investigate?

# ¿ Nov 11, 2015 02:56

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Bluedeanie posted:

Apparently Hunter M. Park was arrested in Rolla, and authorities say he was not on or near campus at the time the threats were made on yikyak and other social media, according to the Columbia Tribune. Correct me if I'm wrong but that's absolutely not how yikyak works, correct? Is it possible that he spoofed his location to post in the mizzou area, or is there another guy they need to be looking for?

There is a different Missouri public university there, perhaps they have a shared one? But yeah, I thought YikYak was much more limited to location than that.

# ¿ Nov 11, 2015 17:30

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How are u posted:

All the whining by journalists about how the sanctity of their profession has been disparaged is really loving rich. Talk about thin-skinned.

Sure, your profession has become a glorified signal booster for corporate press releases from the sister companies of yours, but if you complain about that you get fired. Put some whiny liberals in their places, wrap it up with how millennials have embraced PC GONE MAD, and now we're hitting the hot takes that will take us viral and give us a smidgen of ad revenue.

# ¿ Nov 11, 2015 19:44

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Combed Thunderclap posted:

He kind of has a Lex Luthor look without the hair.

Honestly looks way more like a venerable leader like this. Like, yes, probably an rear end in a top hat, but someone who gets respect. I'm thinking a Police Chief who's tired of McGurnacle being a loose cannon.

# ¿ Nov 12, 2015 00:53

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Petr posted:

Bald people don't get elected president anymore.

Obama Power will soon go away, I will be Fuhrer some day.

# ¿ Nov 12, 2015 01:16

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Hollismason posted:

Like seriously if he maintains his poll numbers is it possible we could see Trump as a presidential nominee because seriously when is he going to crash and burn.

I really want to believe that the Establishment Republicans will pull some trickery at the convention and select Bush or Rubio (probably Rubio). Trump will run 3rd party, and then we get 1968.

They might instead suck it up, and hope he doesn't go too rogue.

# ¿ Nov 19, 2015 23:36

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Dapper_Swindler posted:

but thats what we are doing almost every day. bombing the poo poo out of them. What would be any different. other then Boots on the ground or whatever the newest scheme is.

No, you see, Obama is Weak on Terrorism despite constantly bombing and droning the Middle East, just like he's Bad for The Economy despite unemployment dropping.

Fox News said it, I believe it, that settles it!

# ¿ Nov 19, 2015 23:42

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Hollismason posted:

Why would you even think this?

I guess you can hope he's like Lex Luthor realizing that he has more power right now than he would as President, but that is assuming Trump is half as self-aware as Luthor.

# ¿ Nov 19, 2015 23:48

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Hollismason posted:

Can we go back and just quote all the people from the last 6 months saying Trump is going to burn out by X event. It's so loving weeeeird , like what the hell is going on?

Trump is like the villains in Funny Games. He knows he's in a movie, and he keeps rewinding and fixing it.

# ¿ Nov 19, 2015 23:54

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Kurtofan posted:

Didn't Lex Luthor become president in the comics.

I don't really read comics, I just saw this scene from the cartoons:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sI0vtqxoG1k

# ¿ Nov 19, 2015 23:58

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Tiler Kiwi posted:

Ignore lists are for the weak.

Agreed. Post with Honor.

# ¿ Nov 23, 2015 07:17

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zoux posted:

Well I think both sides want to yell at an actual representative of the other side where they can't get fired or beaten up.

Pretty much. Feeling angry has short term benefits on mood, and so much of our conversations seem organized around contorting reality so you can be righteously angry.

This isn't to say there's not a lot of poo poo to be angry about, there loving is, but that no one is the rational calm super genius they think they are.

# ¿ Nov 23, 2015 20:17

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BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:

Thanksgiving is about conquest. We must stand alone, victorious.

Thanksgiving is about being grateful to those that aid us even when we're being assholes.

# ¿ Nov 23, 2015 20:19

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Speaking of the media generally being terrible and useless, there's this Medium post of someone catching them in the act of trolling Twitter for PC GONE MAD: https://medium.com/@parkermolloy/5-things-the-media-does-to-manufacture-outrage-ba79125e1262#.jqbczkn8s

Tie this with the incredibly obvious hamfisted attempts at reporters pestering people experiencing a disaster, and they've gotten really bad (though they were never good).

# ¿ Nov 23, 2015 22:42

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Joementum posted:

Treating the media with contempt seems more applicable today than ever. Nixon, good on football and hating reporters.

# ¿ Nov 23, 2015 22:44

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Hillary Clinton might be the Democratic Nixon, and I think I'm OK with that.

# ¿ Nov 23, 2015 23:03

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Mr Interweb posted:

So ISIS says they plan on attacking New York.

Anyone wanna explain to me what the conservative logic is of Obama wanting Isis to attack A major Democratic stronghold like that?

It's not too hard. He wants his version of the Reichstag Fire so he can implement laws banning our guns and freedom. Alternatively, he's a spineless wimp who will try to apologize to ISIS and let them come in and sting us frogs with their scorpion tails.

# ¿ Nov 23, 2015 23:48

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Luigi Thirty posted:

Why do you read all these books just to get angry and double your blood pressure about political movements you can't do anything about?

Adrenaline is a hell of a drug.

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# ¿ May 15, 2024 14:19

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Thump! posted:

Yeah, I was gonna say this is alphabetical by last name, how exactly is the SC GOP trying to gently caress over Trump here?

Actually, who is listed first is a big deal, but usually only in very low interest elections. Lots of people just pick the first name when they don't know the candidates, or stop at the first one they like when reading the list. It can particularly screw over lesser known independent candidates.

In Washington state, the order is randomized to make up for this. It's probably not really going to be an effect in such a high profile ejection.

Here's an article on it: http://insight.kellogg.northwestern.edu/article/first_among_equals

# ¿ Dec 1, 2015 00:06

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