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Junpei posted:You forgot Ninja. Ninjas' damage output drops off really hard after the early game. Nightseekers are arguably the best consistent damage dealers in EO4. The fact that they are the best consistent damage dealers is offset by the fact that they are very fragile, and only their Throw skills work with full effectiveness from the back line. A class needs to have weaknesses in order to be actually balanced.
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Yeah, but one of the best ways that Nightseekers can break a game is simple. Subclass Sniper into them, and their fragility drops because they can use bows to attack from range, while still being able to set up good damage by using their throw skills/proficiency.
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Dec 20, 2015 20:30
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why would you use bows with a nightseeker, that's a bad idea
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alcharagia posted:why would you use bows with a nightseeker, that's a bad idea I think he's referring to the fact that if you subclass Sniper on a class, and then equip a bow in the second weapon slot, the back row damage penalty for everything is eliminated? I think that's how it works?
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Dec 20, 2015 20:47
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I think that's how it worked, yeah. Not really sure how it's breaking the game, though! Besides, like, simply mechanically.
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Dec 20, 2015 20:50
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What? Bows have bad attack?
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I think we can all agree that Nightseekers are great and buffing them would make them more broken. Also, we just got past the first small maze, should we really be discussing something that doesn't become relevant until the second half of the game?
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Dec 20, 2015 21:23
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It depends how much you consider mechanics to be spoilers.
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Junpei posted:You forgot Ninja. Ninjas are not good damage dealers. They're supports. Nightseekers do not need anymore buffs. They are the strongest class in the game. And the throws deal terrible damage at all levels, 80%. So those aren't meant for dealing damage.
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Dr. Fetus posted:Ninjas are not good damage dealers. They're supports. Nightseekers do not need anymore buffs. They are the strongest class in the game. And the throws deal terrible damage at all levels, 80%. So those aren't meant for dealing damage. At least not directly. You forgot: Nightseeker's Proficiency increases damage done when the target is under a status ailment.
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Junpei posted:At least not directly. I seriously doubt that he forgot that. Something facilitating high damage does not necessari- ...  -ly make the skill good for damage. Particularly when there are other sources of it. So I noticed while typing this. The I in Legends of Titan is capitalized in the thread title. This bothers me. Supremezero fucked around with this message at 21:43 on Dec 20, 2015 |
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Dec 20, 2015 21:39
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A Throw skill deals 224% damage (80 * 2.8) with the Nightseeker's Enlightenment, which is first unlocked at level 40. The Throw skills will always be terrible for damage.
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Ragnar Homsar posted:A Throw skill deals 224% damage (80 * 2.8) with the Nightseeker's Enlightenment, which is first unlocked at level 40. The Throw skills will always be terrible for damage. No, you use the throw skills to disable and set up for proficiency/mastery/enlightenment, then you switch to your sword skills and basic attacks. Junpei fucked around with this message at 00:22 on Dec 21, 2015 |
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Dec 20, 2015 21:59
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Supremezero posted:So I noticed while typing this. The I in Legends of Titan is capitalized in the thread title. Oh goddammit, I hadn't noticed that at all and now I won't be able to ignore it.
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Supremezero posted:So I noticed while typing this. The I in Legends of Titan is capitalized in the thread title.  Nightseekers are stupid good, which is why I didn't use one in my latest playthrough, don't want to make the game too easy 
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Crosspeice posted:
Blaze Dragon posted:Oh goddammit, I hadn't noticed that at all and now I won't be able to ignore it. I refuse to suffer alone! 
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Supremezero posted:So I noticed while typing this. The I in Legends of Titan is capitalized in the thread title. Huh. I didn't notice until you pointed it out. How'd that slip by for over a month?
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Dr. Fetus posted:Huh. I didn't notice until you pointed it out. How'd that slip by for over a month? The art of pointing out typos without looking conceited is quite difficult to master.
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So I heard that this is the most balanced EO game, in that no class is useless. Is that true?
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No one is useless. Some are simply more broken than others.
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i think tyty noticed and got mad about it about 5 minutes after he posted the thread but never did anything about it
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Supremezero posted:So I noticed while typing this. The I in Legends of Titan is capitalized in the thread title. Bastard It'll bug me every time I read this thread now.
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So... Tyty, are you going to discuss the classes abilities in class overview thingy?
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Maybe I'm stupid, but I had my Nightseeker throw knives from the back row until they got a status proc, and then switched them to the front for massive damage.
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Clarste posted:Maybe I'm stupid, but I had my Nightseeker throw knives from the back row until they got a status proc, and then switched them to the front for massive damage. Smart dude.
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Junpei posted:Yeah, but one of the best ways that Nightseekers can break a game is simple. Why would you ever do this over subclassing to an Arcanist, which not only increases the chance of sticking the status on an enemy, but also gives back the MP they used for the skill when they do so? Venom Throw's poison does a fixed 700 damage to everything per round, which is enough to kill even the bonus dungeon enemies in 2-3 rounds.
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Ragnar Homsar posted:Nightseekers are arguably the best consistent damage dealers in EO4. What about Landskenects? Snipers? Runemasters? Bushi? Imperials?
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Nightseekers have the best damage steroid in the game. Their class skills give them a massive damage boost against enemies with ailments, and they have a really good damage boosting passive on top of that. No other class compares to it because they don't have any damage boosts on the level of what the Nightseeker's passives gives them.
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Dr. Fetus posted:Nightseekers have the best damage steroid in the game. Their class skills give them a massive damage boost against enemies with ailments, and they have a really good damage boosting passive on top of that. No other class compares to it because they don't have any damage boosts on the level of what the Nightseeker's passives gives them. So, theoretically, you could go through the game with a Nightseeker, Fortress and Medic and be totally fine?
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Junpei posted:So, theoretically, you could go through the game with a Nightseeker, Fortress and Medic and be totally fine? There is no party combination that doesn't work in EO4. Pretty sure people in the main EO thread in Games have done solo class runs with almost everything.
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Nah, you can't solo the game with everything, but I'm fairly sure every permutation of 3 or more characters can beat the game. Mostly because of the level cap. Since it caps out at 60 you can't really solo with anything besides a fortress iirc. maybe on a new game + file with the dragons beaten? Might try solo landy if I can ever finish 5 landys. I'll try and finish a class write-up for Landsknechts in the next couple days here.
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poorlywrittennovel posted:There is no party combination that doesn't work in EO4. Pretty sure people in the main EO thread in Games have done solo class runs with almost everything. I'm meant just those three. Also, if Nightseekers are Better At Damage than the other 5 classes I meantioned, why would you ever use them when you could use a Nightseeker? Said five classes: Landskenect, Sniper, Runemaster, Bushi, Imperial.
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Dec 21, 2015 22:27
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Because the classes do different things.
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Junpei posted:I'm meant just those three.
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Because elemental damage exists.
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Txn posted:Because the game is balanced by locking skills behind a level cap. You can't get Venom Throw for the first 20 levels (I think?), making the Nightseeker not that powerful at the start of the game. 40. Also, because Nightseekers are made of wet paper.
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There is also nothing in the game difficult enough (aside from one optional thing) that warrants running the most overpowered party setups to get past. The game is easy enough as long as you don't make any really dumb mistakes. Or make several small dumb mistakes over a short period of time. And not everyone likes running the most overpowered setups because that can make the game boring for them.
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Yeah, I got all that. But in what situations are Landy, Sniper, Rune, Bushi, and Imper good for over Night?
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Elemental damage, being able to bind and guaranteed accurate attacks, elemental damage, as a generally really good subclass, elemental damage in order.
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Please stop posting.
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