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Falukorv
Jun 23, 2013

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canyoneer posted:


Name for avocados comes from the Aztec/Nahuatl language word "ahuacate". It's also Aztec slang for testicles (because they kind of look like a ballsack). So every time you use the word avocado, you are repeating a centuries old dirty joke

Same for Orchids, which is derived from the Greek word for testicle (órkhis). Many species from the genus Orchis, which gives the large Orchid family it's name, have root tubers resembling the shape of testicles..

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Falukorv
Jun 23, 2013

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Nostalgia4Dicks posted:

A lot of people don't know Portugal has two chains of islands, Madeira and Azores. Ronaldo is from the latter. I want to say Madeira is two-three islands and Azores is 10+. They're not very popular as tourist destinations because they're very expensive to visit and you might as well go elsewhere. Mainland Portuguese that have family there receive discounted airfare

Madeira is just a huge volcanic island (I mean yeah all islands are but its just volcanic rock all over)

Columbus took a port stop in Azores and part of the linking theory to the "Portugese Columbus" bit was that he knew exactly where to go and stopped there for a while, not showing a sense of urgency to spread news of his discoveries

Portugal were arguably the first to discover these islands, there were no indigenous people.

The islands always received little support and at some point there was a large struggle. Most all Portugese in America came from these islands. Many went to Hawaii, because gotta keep living that island life. So that's how so many Portuguese ended up in Hawaii. I believe it's the 3rd or 4th most spoken language in Hawaii.

People also don't realize how many places do in fact speak Portuguese. The Cape Verde islands off of West Africa, now independent, speak Portuguese. East Timor, the place near Australia. You'll find it old locals in Macau-China, and Goa-India, that still speak Portuguese. These were former Portuguese ports/forts. Then of course there's Angola and Mozambique. Angola had the huge civil war.

Portugal had a rough time and a literal totalitarian dictatorship through the 80s and I think 90s, Salazar was the dude. It was Russian-esque with literal Gestapo, political prisoners, torture, the whole bit.


Sorry for the poo poo posting here i'm on my phone but y'all have me on a tangent I can talk about this stuff all day :)

Great write-up but may I add two corrections:
Ronaldo is from Madeira and the dictatorship ended in 1974, which is an interesting topic of itself when it ended in a bloodless military coup, in the so called carnation revolution.

Falukorv
Jun 23, 2013

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Nostalgia4Dicks posted:






Portuguese Venice (Aveiro) Europeans just love playing with water

Since you mention Évora and Conimbriga, Mérida has the most impressive roman ruins and collections in the whole of Iberia. It's in Spain, but not far from the Portuguese border, one and a half hour drive from Évora. Even closer to the world heritage border town of Elvas with it's star forts.

More on-topic, that colorful boat in Aveiro is a moliçeiro, so called because they were used to pick up and transport moliço, aka seaweed, to be used as fertilizer.
The paint job that goes into them is somewhat of a traditional art form. Often with some innuendo humor nowadays, as can be seen on the fore of the boat pictured.
Originally they had a sail, but the one in the picture has the sail post removed, otherwise it wouldn't fit under the bridges inside the canals of Aveiro.
Used for tourist rides/tours around the city nowadays.
Like Viking longboats they have a very shallow draft. But that's were the similarities end, they're not at all as seaworthy, nor are they supposed to be, they sailed in coastal lagoons and rivers.

Edit:
Here are some examples



Standard stuff, one has Saint Anthony and the other the greatest Portuguese fado singer.



And a dirty one, the text translates more or less to "What a precious cockle!".

Cockle in Portuguese can also be used as slang for vagina. Also it rhymes.

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Falukorv
Jun 23, 2013

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edit: nvm

Falukorv
Jun 23, 2013

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Pick posted:

The etymology of "gift" in German is very interesting. Originally, Gift meant... gift, the same thing it means in English. And English maintains the original German meaning of the word. However, now Gift (in German) means "poison", because it was used as a euphemism so often.

Could also be related to how you use "dose", which in Greek means "a giving".
Like a certain amount of something you give of a potion, medicine or, poison.

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Falukorv
Jun 23, 2013

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Even Sweden and to a lesser extant (Swedish) Finland grew tobacco.

Most widespread during the 18th and 19th century.
Tobacco farming went into sharp decline during the 20th century mostly due to increased competition from abroad, and the last tobacco was harvested in 1964.

Tobacco farming in Sweden was mainly a woman's job.

Falukorv
Jun 23, 2013

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Hogge Wild posted:

was it n. tabacum or n. rustica?

and did denmark have a jew quota like sweden?

If Scania is anything to go by (which has similar climate conditions as Denmark) it was mostly N. Tabacum, while N. rustica was more common further north.

Falukorv
Jun 23, 2013

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A White Guy posted:

I took a class in cultural botany and my professor spent a few weeks talking about the various psychedelics available to various peoples in history. European psychedelics positively suck, largely because they are nearly all anticholinergic and thus induce delirium, not fun,happy sexy times that psilocin produces. Whether or not this could be valuable on the battlefield seems like kind of a silly debate - in addition to being extremely dehydrating, the various plants that induce delirium (nightshade, belladona, fly agaric, etc) also cause extreme dehydration and diminished eyesight and in too high doses, will cause kidney failure, convulsions, and eventually, death.

Fun facts about Fly Agaric though:
1.It's anticholinergic agents largely pass through the body unmetabolized, and are eliminated via urine. Thus, it's postulated that various Siberian tribes did their communal bonding by drinking their shaman's hallucogenic, delirium-inducing piss.
2. Fly Agaric is probably mentioned in Vedic manuscripts (that precursor to the mythological clusterfuck we call Hinduism) as being a real great way to get close to the gods, which I guess, is both literal and figurative.
3. Santa Claus's suit is red and white. Fly agaric is red with white spots. For really long, detailed reasons I won't go into, Santa Clauses modern day coloring is possibly the result of the modern day synthesizing of cultural drifting ideas, namely Western Europeans phobia of mushrooms (which is pretty justified, considering) and Eastern European's love of mushrooms.

Europe does have a widespread species of psychedelic shroom, Psilocybe semilanceata.
How well known it was for its psychedelic properties before the 19th century I don't know.

Falukorv
Jun 23, 2013

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A bit late but for those of you despairing that avocado is not named after testicles, you can take comfort in that orchids are!

Falukorv
Jun 23, 2013

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Ghost Leviathan posted:



I'm not sure if there's equivalent differences to say, central and south american versions of Spanish and Portuguese, but it wouldn't surprise me.

With Portuguese both have diverged in different ways, neither sound more conserved than the other. Brazilian with somewhat less formal grammar rules, new pronounciations and indigenous loanwords, European Portuguese with stress-timing, vowel reductions and their own set of novel pronounciations.

When I read late medieval Portuguese the closest living language that comes to mind is Galician. Ish. Far from identical but Galician does have some old features that you see in old Portuguese texts that has since diminished from BP and EP. Kind of funny that Galician pronunciation fit Portuguese orthography better than actual Portuguese nowadays.

Not to say that Galician has been static with large Castilian influences among other things but it does seem more more conserved in several aspects.

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Falukorv
Jun 23, 2013

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Ugly In The Morning posted:

Pterodactyl translates to “wing hand”

Finger-wings actually. Comes up a bunch in scientific names. Artiodactyla for even-toed ungulates for example.

Falukorv
Jun 23, 2013

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Fall of Rome by Patrick Wyman is in the same vein for the Western Roman empire.

Falukorv
Jun 23, 2013

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The Ancient world podcast is pretty good, especially the series on the seleucids.

Wonders of the world for historical background of various UNESCO-worthy places.

BBCs history extra podcast has good episodes.

The recent “History of Persia” is self-explanatory.

The partial historians has some interesting discussions between the two kiwi lady historian hosts and occasional guests, mainly Ancient Rome.

Totalus rankium (for Roman emperors) and the Rex factor (for kings of British isles) is more lighthearted and comedic assessments of different rulers.

History of Byzantium is the eastern version of History of Rome podcast.

And the more academic “Byzantium and friends” with interviews of scholars exploring different aspects of the ERE.

The history of Egypt is also pretty explanatory and great for an outline of the long history of ancient Egypt.

Lions led by donkeys - Military history albeit with a more comedic tone.

New books in history - Author interviews of the topics of their published book in their field, very academic but episodes that covers ones topic of interest are worth a listen.

The medieval podcast - title explains itself, host is a medieval historian and often has other guests concerning the topic at hand.

Tides of history - by the guy who made fall of Rome podcast.

When diplomacy fails - Great for the diplomatic background of famous conflicts and developments in history.

Revolutions podcast - long series on various revolutions, by the same guy behind history of Rome podcast.

Antiquitas- ancient history podcast with a classicist host. Haven’t actually got around to listen to any episodes yet but seems interesting enough.

The history of Ancient Greece - Only listened to a few special guest episodes so far, especially enjoyed the two episodes with the historian who goes by Iphrikates on AskHistorians as a guest, as he represents a newer historiography of the period which has changed a lot last 3 decades. Otherwise regular episodes are in chronological order much like history of Rome.

And I second the podcasts already mentioned, in particular Inward empire.

Falukorv
Jun 23, 2013

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Never heard of the great videogame crash. Fall of Rome is debatable but im with you on the dinosaurs (still a mass-extinction event for dinosaurs and others though).

Falukorv
Jun 23, 2013

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For me Claudius Gothicus looks most "modern" of the bunch, or the one i could most easily imagine on the street without looking out of place.

Falukorv
Jun 23, 2013

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Anglerfish is a very boring fish imo (as food).

Falukorv
Jun 23, 2013

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Carthag Tuek posted:

xpost from yospos terrible wikipedia thread:


Reminds me of the coastline around my hometown, which was for centuries plagued by hiking dunes. It must have begun in the middle ages, cause there are sources back to the early 1500s that refer to earlier problems. Possibly the reason was that the coast was one of the few areas that the serfs could let their sheep and cattle graze freely, which soon loosened the dirt, which then blew away. If I understand the phenomenon correctly, it was basically like the American dust bowl, but coastal.

Anyway, several attempts were made to curb it. A major one was the hiring of a German who built fences and planted trees along part of the coastline. Christian VI had a monument put up in his name in 1738, and part of that area remains publicly accessible to this day.

In another town further down the coast, the lighthouse keeper was put in charge in the early mid 1800s. I've seen his journal, it's pretty funny: he hired the young girls to plant both coniferous and deciduous trees on the coast, but for some reason many of them were repeatedly pulled up overnight. It turned out that some young boys felt scorned by the "girly foolery" on the beach.

Eventually, they did manage to overcome the lovely boys though, and we have a pretty dece coastline now.

In Portugal they did similar things to secure shifting dunes and erosion in the sandy and dunal littoral soils of the center/north of Portugal. By planting, among other trees, Australian Acacias (typically Acacia dealbata) that tolerates marginal soils and drought well. Unfortunately they easily turn invasive and spread to other woodlands where they increase the potential for wildfires, and easily colonize areas that have been cleared by fire.

On top of that they are legumes and therefore nitrogen-fixing, resulting in higher eutrophication of littoral soils, bad for the biodiversity of native plant communities in those areas that rely on those kinds of poor soils in "stressful" environments to evade competition.

Falukorv
Jun 23, 2013

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Even in Scandinavia old growth forests are rare even though we have more hectars of forest than ever before, but most is production forest, even-aged monocultures of spruce and pine. In Sweden, only around 2 % (or thereabouts, forget exact figure) is old growth, a few dotted in protected reserves and the like around the country and largest areas of protected old growth forests are the subalpine forests near the mountains. But it is an issue which has received more attention since the 90s, was even worse during the middle 20th century.

Besides a scarcity in forest diversity, theres also a shortage of semi-natural grasslands (most diverse biotopes we have in Scandinavia) and wetlands because modern farming and forestry has reduced the need for meadows and pastures of various types (especially on meager soils in relatively dry places) and often replaced with forest monocultures.

Funnily enough if managed correctly roadsides and track beds are a great refuge for species adapted to drier open pastures and meadows, some plant species that have declined due to being specialised on one of the most diminised habitats, such as sandy poorer soils in dry and warm open pastures track their distribuiton pretty well with the modern railway network.

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Falukorv
Jun 23, 2013

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Alhazred posted:

There has never been an abundance of wood in Scandinavia. One of the reasons why the vikings sailed to America was that they heard about the huge forests there.

Parts of Norrland probably were pretty forested back then too, but that was Sami territory and viking settlements there were few. and would be mostly pine, spruce and birch. In southern Scandinavia there were forests to ofc but readily harvested and always in demand, especially hardwood species.

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Falukorv
Jun 23, 2013

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(bombs a ship)

Falukorv
Jun 23, 2013

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Same in Sweden, several bridges with cavities to fill with explosives. Also why there are surprisingly few bridges in northeastern Sweden, and the few east-west roads up there are kind of crappy and crooked, with many inclines and considerable stretches over moors. These roads had pipes drawn underneath them to be able to be filled with TNT and blown up, further delaying a potential soviet advance.

Falukorv
Jun 23, 2013

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Should page that Swedish goon (thefluff) that hangs out in the scandi threads, he knows quite a bit about these tanks and I recall some past effort posts he made about the strv 103, its role, capabilities and under which doctrine it was planned for. Can’t remember if it was in one of the old military history or Cold War threads.

Anyway, from that it was solidly a tank.

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Falukorv
Jun 23, 2013

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That swedish meatballs have turkish origins were big national news for awhile but it is pretty heavily disputed by historians and the evidence of the turkish connection is weak imo but easy to sensationalise. Started with a claim by the "Swedish institute" that presented this pretty much as fact on social media and it blew up in media, even reached international news. It is still a possibility, but prob the less likely one and the agency were wrong to present that as it were an established fact. Origins and evolution of the swedish meatballs as we know them today are probably more mundande and gradual as wooden stoves and meat grinders grew more common in Swedish households during the 19th century.

Also plenty of countries do meatballs of various stripes, that the Swedish variant was specifically adopted from Turkey via Charles XII Swedish variant is rather tenous.
We've had frikadeller for longer than the kings retreat in the ottoman empire

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Falukorv
Jun 23, 2013

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I mean, isnt bile one of the main class of compounds that gives poo poo its colour?

Falukorv
Jun 23, 2013

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AFewBricksShy posted:

I wonder if that's a regional thing. A friend of mine from Long Island calls that the "Jewish Goodbye", but I've heard it as Italian in the Philly area.

The Irish goodbye seems pretty widespread though.

This is typical among family and friends i meet in Portugal (and less so in Sweden where i live). Maybe more common in "warmer" mediterranean cultures? People get dressed and stand by the door to leave, you kiss goodbye but then they just hang around for 15 minutes talking but since you already kissed/shaked hands you just leave when the conversation ends without a second parting gesture.

Falukorv
Jun 23, 2013

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A common term for boy children/adolescents in Portuguese (rapaz) has the same root. Comes from the Latin adjective of the word meaning rapacious. It is so ingrained for that everyday use that few make the connection unless they really reflect on it being similar to related words, e.g “raptar” (=kidnap). Can’t speak for all Romance languages but at least in the Iberian ones, words derived from rap*didn’t really gain the secondary sex crime meaning as it did in English.

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Falukorv
Jun 23, 2013

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In Sweden (and im guessing the other scandi countries) it was also common to have a so called "gårdsnamn" (=homestead name) as a kind of cognomen to differentiate people in a locality with common patronyms. Similarly, cognomens were often added to soldiers in the allotment system. Often these were bellicose names but not always. And as surnames become more common during the latter half of the 19th century and patronymic conventions were finally outlawed in 1966 many of these homestead and soldier names became inherited as fixed surnames.

Some titles could also be used for this function.
Commoners who entered the priesthood got proper surnames, often latinised. How for example Carl Linnaeus got his surname, from a peasant and clerical lineage. His father made Linnaeus a fixed surname when he enrolled at university, named after a lime tree growing in his family homestead.

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Falukorv
Jun 23, 2013

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Porto is otherwise a pretty unimaginitive name for a city although was originally longer (Portus Cale =port of the galicians i think). The Douro river that has its mouth in Porto is supposedly named after celtic word for "water".

Cartagena in Spain has a couple of redundancies too, from Cartago Nova/New Carthage. Carthage itself means something like "New City".

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Falukorv
Jun 23, 2013

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Ichabod Sexbeast posted:

I hope in the far future, when mankind has mastered terraforming, we designate one planet to be the Ecological Thunderdome

or we just write off an isolated island on earth idk just spitballing here

e: gently caress me that's a terrible snipe

erm

the Hippo Plan, where America planned to import hippos for meat and just let them roam free in Louisiana

also, less funny but still very cool - the bronze age in the Levant being kicked off with cornish tin

Extensive stone-age trade networks are fun to me, ok :colbert:

Well we have that antropogenic forest on the previously pretty barren and volcanic Ascension island that is like the textbook example of ecological fitting, where a bunch of introduced species, many without close evolutionary histories of interacting form new communities in a new ecosystem.


Alhazred posted:

Hippos are actually an invasive species in Colombia. Pablo Escobar imported them to his private zoo and after his death they escaped.

And parts of the public are very opposed to attempts at getting rid of them. Even biologists, who naturally can be among the strongest public proponents of eradicating them, receive death threats.

Falukorv
Jun 23, 2013

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AFAIK so far Colombia has for now a compromise solution of chemically castrating a bunch of the hippos. A few years ago a soldier killed a hippo who kept to close to a town and there was some outrage about it.

Falukorv
Jun 23, 2013

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My favorite was that german spy who was stopped by the police in the UK when bicycling on the wrong side of the road, with German sausages and Nivea hand cream in his bag.

Falukorv
Jun 23, 2013

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Some Colombians do love their hippos though. The ecologically sound option would be to cull them, but haven’t made it pass on the political side due to public sentiment. So now the workaround is chemical contraception targeted against the main group of hippos. Of all the things nature conservation efforts and resources could go to…
Speaking of manatees, more hippos in Colombia aren’t great for Antillean manatees.

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Falukorv
Jun 23, 2013

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Hedningen posted:

Makes sense - a lot of the poetry of the era was remarkably vulgar. He’s no Bellman, but ol’ Stiernhielm could get nice and bawdy when he felt like it.

Side note: all of Stiernhielm’s fancy portraits depict him with his left hand forward or his right concealed. The reason? He lost his right hand in a bar fight, and we can date his writings based on the handwriting changes.

His major notable work is Hercules at the Crossroads, which is baroque as gently caress. Had a great seminar in grad school that spent a few weeks going through his work, and always enjoyed it.

Maybe even better, it was during a baptism, drunk as hell he had beef with some Wrangel boys and his right wrist was ruined by a rapier.

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Falukorv
Jun 23, 2013

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as far as i remember "ni" could be perceived by people who still remember it as condescending. because it was often how superiors adressed downwards, to a servant or from a officer to his private. Most people who mistakenly use "ni" today i assume are young and just figured since it works that way in German and French must have been like that in sweden too. Funny thing is that those olds who actually remember it are the most likely to be off-put by it.

Falukorv
Jun 23, 2013

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Same, to young grandparents for WW2, although theyre from a neutral country anyway. But paternal grandfather old enough to serve in the less savoury Portuguese colonial war, as a surgeon and my maternal grandmothers husband was a infantry conscript in Angola. Carnation revolution couldnt have come soon enough

Falukorv
Jun 23, 2013

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Only bad thing I remember from Inishmore is the ticks, there were lots of em

Falukorv
Jun 23, 2013

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can "gard" still mean fence in icelandic? the swedish cognate means yard/garden/farmstead nowadays.
neat, did not know the root of Mejeri. Alot of dutch terms also made it in to scandinavian seafaring terminology. hell, even gave the part of the atlantic that separates western sweden and denmark a dutch name (Kattegatt)

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Falukorv
Jun 23, 2013

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gärsgård is a very beautiful word

Falukorv
Jun 23, 2013

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Funnily enough, having two last names, one from each parent (portuguese style) in Sweden, one surname being swedish and one in portuguese, its the swedish surname people most often get wrong. Since its one letter away from a more common surname, and people mix it up with the more common one. Although the single spelling difference does change the meaning of the surname to a similar but different toponym, so its a little more than just an alternate spelling

There are more people in Sweden with my portuguese surname than my Swedish one, everyone swede with that surname is a relative of mine

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Falukorv
Jun 23, 2013

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Alhazred posted:

In 1603 it actually became punishable by death to bear the name MacGregor in Scotland. They were known for raiding on other clans' land. And in 1603 the conflict became so heated that they fought a battle with clan Colquhoun and after that King James banned the clan.

Norwegian name laws are fun. For example: a surname that is used by less than 200 people is considered a protected surname. So if you want to change your own surname to a protected surname you have to ask each person with that name for permission.

Here the rules generally dont allow swithcing to a established surname if it has less than 2000 users, if you dont have a relation, which seems a bit less generous than the norwegian version.

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