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DJ Dizzy
Feb 11, 2009

Real men don't use bolters.
What are the chances we will see assault squads rebalanced for points cost in the new red book? I really want to do BA with jump packs all over. But urgh :negative:

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DJ Dizzy
Feb 11, 2009

Real men don't use bolters.

Cythereal posted:

Going off what I'm reading, doesn't Coils also forbid traitor units from taking any of their home legion's unique wargear, and swap their home legion's rules for the Alpha's? So Imperial Fists terminators (something he mentioned as something he wanted to grab) would just be bog standard Alpha Legion terminators - what makes Fist terminators really good is their legion's rules and equipment.

Im pretty sure it allows wargear, but the legiones astartes (less cool legion) gets switched to legiones astartes (alpha legion)

DJ Dizzy
Feb 11, 2009

Real men don't use bolters.
Wait wait wait. Hold the fuckinh boat. Alpha Legion praevian with castellax can get BOTH infiltrate and tank hunter due to only the robots exchanging the legiones astartes?

DJ Dizzy
Feb 11, 2009

Real men don't use bolters.

not lame! posted:

I am yet to understand why anyone would play as a loyalist legion.

Because we love our Emperor and arent vile traitors.

DJ Dizzy
Feb 11, 2009

Real men don't use bolters.
How do people build their Lerneans? Kitbashing or what?

DJ Dizzy
Feb 11, 2009

Real men don't use bolters.

Germ posted:

Or a kickin' rad infiltrating assault force that I can also use in 40k? Or (please be this) both?

Do Alpha Legion. Infiltrate YOUR ENTIRE ARMY.

DJ Dizzy
Feb 11, 2009

Real men don't use bolters.
Heres my loyalist 2k army list. Critique please.

Armillus Dymat 200

19 Tactical Space Marines: chainswords; + 1 Tactical Sergeant 290
19 Tactical Space Marines: chainswords; + 1 Tactical Sergeant 290
4 Tactical Support Marines: volkite calivers; + 1 Tactical Support Sergeant 125

Contemptor Mortis Dreadnought: 2 Kheres pattern assault cannons 180
4 Lernaean Terminators: + 1 Harrower 225
2 Rapier Carriers: 2× quad mortar ('Thud Gun') 120

Sicaran Venator Tank Destroyer: armoured ceramite 210
Fire Raptor Gunship 200
Sicaran Battle Tank: armoured ceramite 155

1.995 points

DJ Dizzy
Feb 11, 2009

Real men don't use bolters.
Imma go ask my local GW dude later.

DJ Dizzy
Feb 11, 2009

Real men don't use bolters.

JerryLee posted:

I would be disappointed if Russ's rules reflected this to the exclusion of his legion's predatory cunning and tactical acumen.

That might be their RoW.

DJ Dizzy
Feb 11, 2009

Real men don't use bolters.
It still scans in at the current price at my local GW. They recieve their product brief tomorrow, imma ask them there.

DJ Dizzy
Feb 11, 2009

Real men don't use bolters.

BirdieBedtime posted:

Not at all, the Dacians used similar weapons, called a falx and they're sick as hell.

Also, glad everybody likes my Ultramarines! How about that there Gulliman, huh brothers?

Yeah man, the primarch of the first legion is pretty sweet.

DJ Dizzy
Feb 11, 2009

Real men don't use bolters.

AndyElusive posted:

Anything is an Iron Warrior Alpha Legionaire.

DJ Dizzy
Feb 11, 2009

Real men don't use bolters.
Praetor: paragon blade (master-crafted); melta bombs; digital lasers; refractor field; power dagger; jump pack; Rite of War (The Coils of the Hydra) 195

14 Tactical Space Marines: chainswords; nuncio-vox; legion vexilla; + 1 Tactical Sergeant 250
14 Tactical Space Marines: chainswords; nuncio-vox; legion vexilla; + 1 Tactical Sergeant 250
9 Tactical Space Marines: chainswords; nuncio-vox; + 1 Tactical Sergeant 180

Contemptor Mortis Dreadnought: 2 Kheres pattern assault cannons 180
2 Rapier Carriers: 2× quad mortar ('Thud Gun') 120
Apothecarion Detachment
Apothecary 45
Apothecary 45

9 Dark Furies: + 1 Chooser of the Slain 325

Sicaran Venator Tank Destroyer: armoured ceramite 210
Fire Raptor Gunship 200

2.000 points

Ultramarines Own Zone list.

DJ Dizzy
Feb 11, 2009

Real men don't use bolters.

DeadGame posted:

How are Red Butchers and the Rampager Squads? The World Eaters look pretty good, but going heavy on assault seems risky.

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees.

DJ Dizzy
Feb 11, 2009

Real men don't use bolters.
So uh. How does this ally matrix work? If my primary detachment is Alpha Legion, are Solar Auxilia fellow warriors or sworn brothers?

DJ Dizzy
Feb 11, 2009

Real men don't use bolters.
Praetor: paragon blade (master-crafted); melta bombs; digital lasers; refractor field; power dagger; jump pack; Rite of War (The Coils of the Hydra) 195
Praevian 85
2 Castellax Class Battle-automata: 2× darkfire cannon; enhanced targeting array; Tank Hunters 280

9 Tactical Space Marines: chainswords; nuncio-vox; + 1 Tactical Sergeant 180
Rhino 35
9 Tactical Space Marines: chainswords; nuncio-vox; + 1 Tactical Sergeant 180
Rhino 35
9 Tactical Space Marines: chainswords; nuncio-vox; + 1 Tactical Sergeant 180
Rhino 35

Contemptor Mortis Dreadnought: 2 Kheres pattern assault cannons; havoc launcher 195
1 Rapier Carrier: quad mortar ('Thud Gun') 60

9 Dark Furies: + 1 Chooser of the Slain 325

Sicaran Venator Tank Destroyer: armoured ceramite 210

1.995 points

Well... This is probably the best I could come up with, taking budget into account. Plenty of high AV popping, plenty of AV13 popping. Lack of bodies maybe?

DJ Dizzy
Feb 11, 2009

Real men don't use bolters.
Chosing a legion is hard work. Now im stuck between Alpha Legion, Ultramarines (lolnope) and Loyalist SoH with Loyalist DG allies.

gently caress.

:negative:

DJ Dizzy
Feb 11, 2009

Real men don't use bolters.

SteelMentor posted:

Go Alpha Legion, and steal all the other Legions' poo poo :smug:

Its just so eurgh. Im not a big fan of being forced to use rhinos unless I want to infiltrate my entire army. AL also seems to be too dependent on that sweet sweet armywide preferred enemy that comes with alpharius.

DJ Dizzy
Feb 11, 2009

Real men don't use bolters.
Loyalist Luna Wolves

Garviel Loken: Rite of War (The Black Reaving) 175
Master of Signal: artificer armour 105

14 Reavers: jump packs; + 1 Reaver Chieftain (melta bombs) 340
9 Reavers: power weapon; power fist; + 1 Reaver Chieftain (melta bombs) 240
19 Tactical Space Marines: chainswords; + 1 Tactical Sergeant 290

2 Rapier Carriers: 2× laser destroyer array 110

3 Jetbike Sky Hunters: volkite culverin; melta bombs 160
9 Seekers: 9× bolter (banestrike ammunition); + 1 Strike Leader (melta bombs) 255

Sicaran Battle Tank 135
Sicaran Venator Tank Destroyer 190

Loyalist Death Guard allies:

Crysos Morturg 175

19 Tactical Space Marines: + 1 Tactical Sergeant 250
6 Tactical Support Marines: volkite calivers; + 1 Tactical Support Sergeant 165

Contemptor Mortis Dreadnought: 2 Kheres pattern assault cannons 180

4 Grave Warden Terminators: 2× heavy flamer with chem-munitions; 2× chainfist; + 1 Chem-Master 230

3.000 points

This is my 2k point army without the DG, cranking it up to 3k with them. The idea is to have Loken outflank with the small reaver squad, and have the jetbikes deepstrike. Seekers could come in from reserves, but probably not. Master of Signal goes with the main tactical blob.

DJ Dizzy
Feb 11, 2009

Real men don't use bolters.
:smith:

I look at reaver/assault squads. Then I look at Locutarus. Then I look back at the reaver squads and assault squads. And then I cry a little.

WHY FORGEWORLD. WHY DID YOU HAVE TO GIVE THE ULTRAMARINES ALL THE GOOD RULES.

DJ Dizzy
Feb 11, 2009

Real men don't use bolters.

Recoome posted:

What book is the Rapiers and Quad Mortars in?

The red one. :smugbert:

Book 2 I think? Imma look it up when I hit my warhams club. Edit: Its in book 1

On another note, are people going to be mad if I throw legion specific mk iv helmets on my luna wolves? The sons of horus mohawks look ridiculous. I was going to think of just using whatever helmets looks cool.

DJ Dizzy fucked around with this message at 10:30 on Nov 22, 2015

DJ Dizzy
Feb 11, 2009

Real men don't use bolters.

ijyt posted:

So there's rumors of a plastic sicaran coming out next quarter. Probably more than likely not true, but on the other hand it might make sense in that it'll give FW some breathing room to focus on the Specialist Games stuff while GW proper starts producing the currently available 30k stuff.

Imagine, a plastic fire raptor. :allears:

Calm down, my dick can only get so hard.

DJ Dizzy
Feb 11, 2009

Real men don't use bolters.
Garviel Loken: Rite of War (The Black Reaving) 175
Anvillus Pattern Dreadclaw Drop Pod 100
4 Space Marine Chosen: power weapon; 2× power fist; melta bombs; + 1 Standard Bearer 205
Master of Signal 95

9 Reavers: 2× power weapon; jump packs; + 1 Reaver Chieftain (melta bombs) 285
9 Reavers: 2× power weapon; jump packs; + 1 Reaver Chieftain (melta bombs) 285
14 Tactical Space Marines: chainswords; + 1 Tactical Sergeant 230

Contemptor Mortis Dreadnought: 2 Kheres pattern assault cannons 180
1 Rapier Carrier: laser destroyer array 55
1 Rapier Carrier: laser destroyer array 55

6 Jetbike Sky Hunters: 2× volkite culverin; melta bombs 290
3 Outriders: melta bombs; Space Marine bikes (twin-linked plasma guns) 180
1 Javelin Attack Speeder 75

Sicaran Battle Tank 135
Artillery Tank Squadron
Medusa 155

I think this is the final draft of my 2500 point list. Still maybe not enough AT weapons, but the amount of meltabombs should be able to do some damage to spartans. And the medusa.

DJ Dizzy
Feb 11, 2009

Real men don't use bolters.

MasterSlowPoke posted:

Are plasma cannons any good in 30k? I found a bag with 12 of them that I was going to run for a gimmick list at some point.

Jetbikes wont need to jink as often with +2 save, but meh, I prefer culverins.

DJ Dizzy
Feb 11, 2009

Real men don't use bolters.
Nay.

DJ Dizzy
Feb 11, 2009

Real men don't use bolters.
http://heresy30k.invisionzone.com/index.php?/topic/5112-vlka-fenrika-rules-wishlisting/?p=100616

I got tired of waiting on the SW rules. So I made my own. Please tell me how im bad at making balance decision :ohdear:

DJ Dizzy
Feb 11, 2009

Real men don't use bolters.
Kickin rad tank there

Master of Signal 95

9 Reavers: 2× power weapon; jump packs; + 1 Reaver Chieftain (melta bombs) 285
9 Reavers: 2× power weapon; jump packs; + 1 Reaver Chieftain (melta bombs) 285
14 Tactical Space Marines: chainswords; legion vexilla; + 1 Tactical Sergeant 240

2 Rapier Carriers: 2× laser destroyer array 110
Contemptor Mortis Dreadnought: 2 Kheres pattern assault cannons 180

3 Jetbike Sky Hunters: volkite culverin; melta bombs; Sky Hunter Sergeant (power weapon) 185
1 Javelin Attack Speeder 75
3 Outriders: melta bombs 105

Artillery Tank Squadron
Medusa 155

Horus: Rite of War (The Black Reaving) 500
4 Chosen Terminators: Cataphractii armour; 3× chainfist; 2× pair of lightning claws; + 1 Terminator Standard Bearer (chainfist) 285

2.500 points

Ould this work?

DJ Dizzy
Feb 11, 2009

Real men don't use bolters.

panascope posted:

I'm not sure I'm sold on the single javelin attack speeder at 2,500 points. I'd probably switch to two units of jetbikes or two larger units of regular bikes. I also like power fists and artificer armor on the Reaver chieftains due to their 3 attack statline.

Budgetary reasons mostly tbh. I feel like im already stretched for models enough as is, and providing fists and artificer on the chieftains will tax that even more. I could drop the bike unit and smack some tactical support duders with calivers on there.

DJ Dizzy
Feb 11, 2009

Real men don't use bolters.

Turbo Impotence posted:

Does anyone know where I could get a bunch of bald marine heads? Third party is fine. Looking to make all my non helmeted alpha legion guys look pretty much identical.

Buy only Armillus. Use him for EVERYTHING.

DJ Dizzy
Feb 11, 2009

Real men don't use bolters.

Big Willy Style posted:

They had to use the zombie hand, they couldnt loving help them selves.

Ahahahahahaha. Goddmnit FW.

DJ Dizzy
Feb 11, 2009

Real men don't use bolters.

Shazaminator posted:

First shot at writing a list... Never collected space marines before so no bits, so a lot of choices are kind of dictated by what comes in the boxes / easily bought separate. Or just what looks cool :v

+++ Sons of Horus (1999pts) +++

++ Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List (Age of Darkness) (1999pts) ++

+ HQ (140pts) +

Maloghurst the Twisted (140pts)

+ Troops (553pts) +

Legion Tactical Support Squad (125pts) [4x Legion Space Marines (60pts), Volkite Calivers (25pts)]

Reaver Attack Squad (214pts) [4x Chainaxe (4pts), Hand Flamer (5pts), Jump Packs (50pts), Melta Bombs (5pts), Power Fist (15pts), 4x Reavers (60pts)]

Reaver Attack Squad (214pts) [4x Chainaxe (4pts), Hand Flamer (5pts), Jump Packs (50pts), Melta Bombs (5pts), Power Fist (15pts), 4x Reavers (60pts)]

+ Elites (405pts) +

Contemptor Dreadnought Talon (200pts)
··Legion Contemptor Dreadnought (200pts) [Melta Gun (15pts), Twin-linked Volkite Culverin (10pts)]

Legion Terminator Squad (205pts) [Cataphractii Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon, 4x Legion Terminators (120pts), 4x Power Fist (20pts)]
··Legion Terminator Sergeant (10pts) [Chainfist (10pts)]

+ Fast Attack (266pts) +

Legion Storm Eagle Assault Gunship (266pts) [Extra Armour (10pts), Searchlight (1pts), Single Missile Launcher (5pts), Two Twin-linked Lascannons (40pts)]

+ Heavy Support (635pts) +

Achilles-Alpha Pattern Land Raider (300pts)

Leviathan Siege Dreadnought Talon (335pts)
··Leviathan Siege Dreadnought (335pts) [2x Grav-flux Bombard (40pts), Phosphex Discharger (15pts), 2x Twin-linked Volkite Caliver (10pts)]

+ Legion +

Legion Astartes [XVI: Sons of Horus]

Mal goes with the terminators in the storm eagle, while the Volkite marines go in the Achilles-Alpha. Alternatively I could drop the Leviathan for a small (Dominus and two Castellax) Cybernetica allies, with the Dominus going with the tac support squad with a photon thruster or something.

Obvious problem is the lack of scoring troops, but the idea of the standard tac blobs of identical marines turns me off :shrug: Maybe if the Justaerin get a points drop in the future they'd be better to go with than the normal terminators since they're scoring.

Bit stumped by what mini to use as Maloghurst though.

Tacticals are good. Use them. I would drop the volite on your dread, its only 4 S6 shots. A kheres is better and has rending.

for maloghurst, theres a head in the SM tactical box thtats helmetless and has a grill-thing.

justaerin? Most likely they will get two wounds and not a point decrease.

DJ Dizzy
Feb 11, 2009

Real men don't use bolters.
Saving the best for last. Thought so :smug:

DJ Dizzy
Feb 11, 2009

Real men don't use bolters.
Well, it depends on the legion. IW, IF and IH are mk iii. RG are mk vi.

DJ Dizzy
Feb 11, 2009

Real men don't use bolters.
My first horus heresy marine :toot:
C&C please?

DJ Dizzy
Feb 11, 2009

Real men don't use bolters.
It looks greener in real life. I'll try and get a better picture soon.

DJ Dizzy
Feb 11, 2009

Real men don't use bolters.
Oups.

DJ Dizzy
Feb 11, 2009

Real men don't use bolters.

BULBASAUR posted:

Looks drat good. Whats your recipe? Really digging the metallic highlights you did. I love that effect.

Black spray
Kabalite green
Drybrush of necron compound.
Coelia greenshade wash.

Metal is washed with nuln and gold with agrax

DJ Dizzy
Feb 11, 2009

Real men don't use bolters.
Another pic that better shows off the green. I hope it still looks halfway decent :ohdear:

DJ Dizzy
Feb 11, 2009

Real men don't use bolters.
Probably softcover or updated.

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DJ Dizzy
Feb 11, 2009

Real men don't use bolters.
Centurion: artificer armour; power fist; Space Marine bike 105

5 Veteran Space Marines 75

1 Javelin Attack Speeder: mutli melta; hunter-killer missiles 95
1 Outrider Strike Force: melta bombs; Space Marine bikes (twin-linked plasma guns) 60
1 Outrider Strike Force: melta bombs 35

1 Heavy Strike Force: volkite culverins; Heavy Support Sergeant 40
3 Heavy Support Marines: volkite culverins 90

500 points

Strike Force list. I dont really have a way of handling AV14 stuff, so hopefully theres none of that.

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