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So will you have an options for weapons in the BaC box? It looks like there is a multi-melta on one Termie and a plasma gun on one tactical dude but I'm not sure what else.
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So what Legion makes best use of the Calth box? Imperial fists? Iron hands?
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Nov 8, 2015 17:50
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A 50S RAYGUN posted:whichever one you want the most, friend So what you are saying is that I should make my own narrative? Forge it, in a way...
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Nov 8, 2015 18:28
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BULBASAUR posted:Alpha Legion, Iron Warriors, Word Bearers, and Iron Hands can take advantage of the models the easiest. Salamanders, Fists, Emperors Children, World Eaters, and Ultras can make good use of the models. It's a good backbone of models for practically any army really. My only complaint is that it's missing a pair or rhinos. Okay say I'm sold on doing Alpha Legion. As a 40k vet with no Marine models and I'm a total 30k virgin. I want to make a standard 1,500-2,000 point list and I've made my peace with buying some resin. What makes the most sense to add on to the Calth box, especially if I'm fond of terminators and dreads? Thanks in advance for any advice!
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Nov 8, 2015 21:37
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krushgroove posted:I've decided on AL, one of the things I'll be getting after the Calth box is a Word Bearers Gal Vorbak squad and maybe a Night Lords Terror Squad. I've got a couple of old school Rhino models and just got a Fire Raptor, and I'll probably get Sicarans or something next year. Then maybe the Imperial Fists mega-terminators just for laughs. I'll need to get the rules but that's the Alpha Legion rule that let's them take special units from other legions, correct?
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Nov 8, 2015 21:51
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krushgroove posted:Yup! Like I told the guys I play with, leave it to me to pick the most complicated and expensive to collect legion... Yeah I was thinking AL as well but maybe not, I don't need another huge project. Iron Hands would be my second choice.
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Nov 8, 2015 22:18
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So is the death guard list in book one current?
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Nov 10, 2015 01:28
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Handy info, thanks for posting that! Edit, I'm looking at options to assemble from this box set and this looks like a decent footslogging list? Only need to buy the Iron Father, Gorgons and Apothecaries to round it out. I'll be short some Missile Launchers and a Kheres as well: +++ Iron Hands (1665pts) +++ ++ Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List (Age of Darkness) (1665pts) ++ + HQ (455pts) + Iron-father Autek Mor (225pts) Legion Centurion (135pts) [Artificer Armour, Plasma Pistol, Power Weapon, Refractor Field] Consul [Chaplain] Legion Centurion (95pts) [Cataphractii Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon, Chainfist] + Troops (420pts) + Legion Tactical Squad (185pts) [9x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Legion Vexilla] Legion Tactical Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Combi-Weapon, Melta Bombs] Legion Tactical Squad (235pts) [14x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Legion Vexilla] Legion Tactical Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Combi-Weapon, Melta Bombs] + Elites (565pts) + Apothecarion Detachment (150pts) Legion Apothecary [Artificer Armour, Combi-weapon, Power Sword] Legion Apothecary [Artificer Armour, Combi-weapon, Power Sword] Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnought (190pts) [Blessed Autosimulacra, Two Kheres Pattern Assault Cannons] Gorgon Terminator Squad (225pts) [4x Gorgon Terminator, Reaper Autocannon] Gorgon Hammerbearer [Grenade Harness] + Heavy Support (225pts) + Legion Heavy Support Squad (225pts) [Flak Missiles, 4x Legion Space Marines, Missile Launchers] Legion Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs] TKIY fucked around with this message at 05:06 on Nov 10, 2015 |
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Nov 10, 2015 04:59
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BULBASAUR posted:I would ditch the combi weapons on the apothecaries and take aug scanners instead. Also the plasma pistol. Your sergeants also badly need power weapons and if you are foot slogging as Iron Hands you should give them close combat weapons as well. Consider changing your cataphractii centurion into a master of signal to park with your heavy support squad for the +1 BS and orbital bombardment. If I am foot slogging why would I drop the bolters for combat blades? I'm thinking of them as a fire base or do I have that wrong? Lord Twisted posted:Swap the support squad for a Deredeo. Flakk is trash and you'd save some points. Yeah I am just trying to stay within the box set a bit. 30k on the cheap if possible! Reworking the list though, Deredo is an amazing looking model and I might have to shell out for one. edit: gently caress this poo poo is expensive. Any sort of transport and/or Legion specific troops are just insanely expensive, even by GW standards! TKIY fucked around with this message at 18:54 on Nov 10, 2015 |
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Nov 10, 2015 20:24
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Any reason not to run Mk3 shoulders on the Mk4 armour? Mk3 shoulders look better to me.
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Nov 11, 2015 02:45
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Great, thanks. I'm ordering Death Guard heads and shoulders so I figure if I can mix and match that's ideal.
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Nov 11, 2015 03:55
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I've just ordered some death shroud and grave wardens because I'm a sucker for terminators. Thank God for comrade Forgeworldski. Is it safe to assume that terminators without deep striking pretty much require a transport?
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Nov 11, 2015 21:57
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BULBASAUR posted:Unless they're a counter charge unit, or Siege Tyrants, they probably need a ride. Luckily you have quite a few options. Looks like the Deathshroud can only take a Phobos, but there is no model?
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Nov 12, 2015 01:31
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Ah sweet. Thanks for clarifying. I've got a lot to learn still.
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Nov 12, 2015 01:41
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Okay final revision of my starter list. Put Typhon and his scythe homies in a LR. Have two footslogging apothecaried tacticals with a pair of dreads and a unit of grenade launching termies to babysit them. Rounded out with a heavy squad bringing some sweet chem-munitions to the party. +++ Death Guard - 2k (2000pts) +++ + HQ (705pts) + Calas Typhon (705pts) ····Deathshroud Terminator Squad [5x Deathshroud Terminators] ········Land Raider Phobos [Armoured Ceramite, Chem-munitions, Heavy Flamer, Hunter-killer Missile] ····Master of the Legion [The Reaping] + Troops (555pts) + Legion Heavy Support Squad (185pts) [Chem-munitions, Heavy Flamers, 4x Legion Space Marines] ····Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier [Chem-munitions, Heavy Flamer] Legion Tactical Squad (185pts) [Chem-munitions, 9x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Legion Vexilla] ····Legion Tactical Sergeant [Melta Bombs, Power Weapon, Rad Grenades] Legion Tactical Squad (185pts) [Chem-munitions, 9x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Legion Vexilla] ····Legion Tactical Sergeant [Melta Bombs, Power Weapon, Rad Grenades] + Elites (320pts) + Apothecarion Detachment (140pts) ····Legion Apothecary [Artificer Armour, Augury Scanner, Power Sword] ····Legion Apothecary [Artificer Armour, Augury Scanner, Power Sword] Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnought (180pts) [Two Kheres Pattern Assault Cannons] + Heavy Support (420pts) + Deredeo Pattern Dreadnought (220pts) [Aiolos Missile Launcher, Twin-linked Heavy Flamer] Grave Warden Terminator Squad (200pts) [4x Grave Warden Terminator] So better anti-tank with the Raider there, still have the Deredeo for some anti-air, etc... Now to pay for it 
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Nov 12, 2015 18:04
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Hello there, beautiful... Looks like GW is including points and stat lines for both 30k and 40k separately now: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/PDF/Datasheets/LeviathanSiegeDreadnoughtRules.pdf
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Nov 13, 2015 14:28
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Not to be a total bitch but I'm just about ready to pay for the stuff I need to put this list on the table and wanted to be sure I was at least somewhat on the right path here:TKIY posted:+++ Death Guard - 2k (2000pts) +++
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Nov 13, 2015 21:59
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Lord Twisted posted:Looks pretty savage... But make sure all vehicles have dozer blades (drop HK missile) and are those second squad of special terminators walking? Good point on the dozers. The wardens are walking but they are toting toxic grenade launchers so I'm considering them as a shooting countercharge unit.
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Nov 13, 2015 22:59
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BULBASAUR posted:I don't know DG that well, but I went through the rules and here are my suggestions: Okay, I'm going to run with my existing list for now but I'll look at some armour or artillery once I've got the hang of things. Graviton Rapiers and a Sicaran sound like fun.
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Nov 14, 2015 02:29
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A buddy of mine wants to give this heresy thing a try with me. What's the closest analogue to the Grey Knights in the heresy era? Anything that they make a good proxy for with all the glaives and swords?
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Nov 15, 2015 00:49
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The Calth box really doesn't have anything for the tactical marines besides bolters. If you want to go ccw and pistol I guess you are shopping for bits.
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Nov 15, 2015 02:36
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Speaking of special weapons is anyone interested in swapping? I could use more flamers and would trade plasma or melta guns.
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Nov 16, 2015 19:02
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spacegoat posted:I got curious but now I'm confused. Do FW sell upgrade kits by component? Like your ~£11 only gets you a handful of either pads, torsos, or heads? Yeah generally ten packs of shoulders and heads, five packs of torso, or full squad upgrades which have ten of each.
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Nov 17, 2015 15:01
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Broguts posted:I'm not getting the dumb upgrade packs because A: they're dumb. B: They're nearly 500 loving dollars what the gently caress. There is a way... The way of communism.
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BULBASAUR posted:I don't know DG that well, but I went through the rules and here are my suggestions: Went back through my list and tried to make this as fluffy as I could for Death Guard. I'm not sure how I can drop the tactical squads though, I thought that vets/heavy support don't count as compulsory troop selections? I've cut back the death star by removing Typhon and I've gone for maximum chem/blast/flamer fun. I also can't justify the cost of a Spartan right now, so I'm sticking with the Phobos which I have. Will need to get some medusas though... +++ Death Guard (2000pts) +++ + HQ (315pts) + Legion Centurion (130pts) [Cataphractii Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon] ····Consul [Siege Breaker] Legion Praetor (185pts) [Cataphractii Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon, Iron Halo, The Barbaran Thurible] ····Master of the Legion [The Reaping] + Troops (640pts) + Legion Tactical Squad (170pts) [9x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Legion Vexilla] ····Legion Tactical Sergeant [Rad Grenades] Legion Tactical Squad (170pts) [9x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Legion Vexilla] ····Legion Tactical Sergeant [Rad Grenades] Legion Tactical Support Squad (150pts) [Chem-munitions, 4x Legion Space Marines] ····Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier [Dozer Blade] ····Legion Sergeant [Rad Grenades] Legion Tactical Support Squad (150pts) [Chem-munitions, 4x Legion Space Marines] ····Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier [Dozer Blade] ····Legion Sergeant [Rad Grenades] + Elites (280pts) + Apothecarion Detachment (100pts) ····Legion Apothecary [Augury Scanner] ····Legion Apothecary [Augury Scanner] Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnought (180pts) [Two Kheres Pattern Assault Cannons] + Heavy Support (765pts) + Grave Warden Terminator Squad (455pts) [4x Grave Warden Terminator] ····Land Raider Phobos [Dozer Blade] Legion Artillery Tank Squadron (310pts) ····Legion Medusa [Phosphex Shells] ····Legion Medusa [Phosphex Shells]
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Yeah the Siege Breaker is a lot of points just to open up the Phosphex shells, but those shells scream Death Guard to me  I could drop out the Siege Breaker and Apothecaries and add in the Deredeo. This also gives me enough points to put a Paragon Blade on my Praetor. I'm trying to stay at 30 PA marines simply because I don't want to buy another Calth box if I can avoid it: +++ Death Guard (2000pts) +++ ++ Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List (Age of Darkness) (2000pts) ++ + HQ (195pts) + Legion Praetor (195pts) [Cataphractii Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon, Paragon Blade, The Barbaran Thurible] ····Master of the Legion [The Reaping] + Troops (640pts) + Legion Tactical Squad (170pts) [9x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Legion Vexilla] ····Legion Tactical Sergeant [Rad Grenades] Legion Tactical Squad (170pts) [9x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Legion Vexilla] ····Legion Tactical Sergeant [Rad Grenades] Legion Tactical Support Squad (150pts) [Chem-munitions, 4x Legion Space Marines] ····Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier [Dozer Blade] ····Legion Sergeant [Rad Grenades] Legion Tactical Support Squad (150pts) [Chem-munitions, 4x Legion Space Marines] ····Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier [Dozer Blade] ····Legion Sergeant [Rad Grenades] + Elites (180pts) + Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnought (180pts) [Two Kheres Pattern Assault Cannons] + Heavy Support (985pts) + Deredeo Pattern Dreadnought (220pts) [Aiolos Missile Launcher] Grave Warden Terminator Squad (455pts) [4x Grave Warden Terminator] ····Land Raider Phobos [Dozer Blade] Legion Artillery Tank Squadron (310pts) [Legion Medusa, Legion Medusa] Thanks for all the advice, helpful Pokemans. I suppose I could get more PA marines off eBay now, I haven't looked at what the MKIV Tac Squads are selling for. TKIY fucked around with this message at 19:51 on Nov 20, 2015 |
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BaconCopter posted:List building in 30k seems infinitely more strategic then in 40k. It's quite a shame that Thousand Suns have always been my favorite Pre/Heresy-era legion, here's hoping they won't be a giant turd. Yeah I'm really enjoying planing out the army I want to go with. I've posted three or four already and I've probably done a dozen more. Lots of options. Case in point, two Medusas or three Rapiers? What guns on the Rapiers? Graviton, mortars and lasers are all good... DO IT TO IT posted:Are you guys using a program to create and paste lists in that format? Doesn't look like Battlescribe. It's Battlescribe. Just go to 'view roster' and select 'BB Code' from the list and it formats it like that for you. TKIY fucked around with this message at 21:22 on Nov 20, 2015 |
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Nov 20, 2015 21:17
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Do special terminators (Tyrant Siege, Grave Wardens) become troops if you take Pride of the Legion? I though just regular terminator squads did, not any infantry in terminator armour.
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Nov 21, 2015 01:05
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What's LACAL?
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Nov 21, 2015 01:46
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So are the Graviton rapiers the best all around rapier option? Good against power armour, terminators and high av models.
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Nov 21, 2015 22:35
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Cool, I bought a couple of them on a whim. I guess in my group no one will care if I proxy then for laser destroyers as long as it's consistent across the unit.
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Nov 22, 2015 01:41
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Calth box doesn't include the Havoc Launcher, does it?
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Nov 23, 2015 21:40
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Boo.
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Nov 23, 2015 21:44
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Hencoe posted:http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Mechanicum-Ordinatus-Ulator The rules for this thing are ridiculous but they should be given the 1,000+ point cost.
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DJ Dizzy posted:The red mechanicum book. Basically, you lay the 7-inch blast template down, and then move it straight ahead 72". EVERYTHING under it takes a hit, str depending on what sort of model. Infantry takes a S5 hit, monstrous creatures S8, vehicles S10 and superheavies the D. Ignores cover, instant death, do not pass go. Its also sporting three Volkite Culverins for soft targets. Also I think the template crosses the table regardless of distance. The 72" one is the alternate weapon.
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Hencoe posted:72" for the beam hitting absolutely everything it crosses including flyers. The volcano cannon is 180". Okay sorry I had them backwards. Still it's a big-bada-boom.
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Forgeworld made this one right? I think they did the sprues and the rules. Hopefully the Specialist Games Studio does a similarly good job.
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Am I wrong or is that Raven Guard in plastic, not Resin?
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I just played against a 30k Imperial Fists list and he was getting Sniper on all his bolter weapons, but I'm not sure how he was doing that? He's a new player so it could have been an honest mistake, but it cut my poo poo up pretty good.
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