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Hello. Sometimes D&D can be a little daunting for lurkers and newbies. This thread is intended to create a place for people who might normally post to get their posting feet wet in a constructive and fun environment. Who knows if it will work. I don't. But I would love to see some new people posting. You can post about any D&D-type topic in this thread. Discussion, and debate, are welcome! Absurd Alhazred said in QCS that he would be willing to honor thread rules, so if anyone is breaking the rules of this thread in this thread, even if they're doing stuff that wouldn't normally be reportable, feel free to report them. When reporting posts, clearly state the violation in the reason to ensure faster processing, thanks! These are the rules: 1. Don't post in this thread if you are a D&D regular* unless
2. Seriously: D&D regulars are not allowed to make their own arguments in this thread at any time. They can only support an argument with evidence, show how it could be made stronger, or respond to a request for information or links with relevant information and links. 3. No sarcasm or irony here in this thread. It's just too confusing. Only debate from positions you actually hold, and only discuss things you actually find interesting in ways that reflect your actual interest in them. Only ask questions you actually want to know the answers to. (You can show you wanted to know the answers by, at the least, thanking the people who answer them for you). 4. No ad hominems, at all, ever. Not that these are allowed anywhere in D&D per se, but the lines can get kind of fuzzy. In this thread, assume that anything even remotely ad-hom-like is not allowed. 5. If you are new to D&D, please post here; debate and discuss whatever you'd like. * you know who you are
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if a regular posts supporting a non regulars argument can i argue with them, or do i need my own proxy poster first
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Nov 7, 2015 00:27
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Imo all flame wars should be fought by proxy, much like all war in the post modern era.
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Nov 7, 2015 01:01
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I am prepared to offer my services as a flame mercenary. Can I ask some meta questions? Assuming I can: 1. How does one read or contribute to the huge ongoing threads, if one isn't "in on the ground floor" and prepared to spend 15 minutes catching up every time? 2. Say I read a thing, I don't necessarily agree or disagree with it, but think it deserves discussing. How do I make a thread about this that won't crash and burn? 3. What's with the libertarians?
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Nov 7, 2015 01:37
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Dzhay posted:I am prepared to offer my services as a flame mercenary. 1. I mostly post in M/E and USPOL but newcomers are always welcomes. Just post your views or ask questions, goose fleet does a lot of this in M/E 2. The thread will crash and burn regardless just post it 3. They're really stupid
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Nov 7, 2015 01:47
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Srs question: where can I read about Marxist takes on intellectual labor and property.
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Nov 7, 2015 01:58
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Octatonic posted:Imo all flame wars should be fought by proxy, much like all war in the post modern era. I am a regular poster in D&D (Debate And Discussion). Before I address Ocatonic, let me suggest that in the future everyone preface their posts with whether or not they are regulars. Ocatonic, I assume you're not a regular based on your diction. I think "postmodern era" is a sufficiently vague notion that you may want to define it in the same post. Now, this doesn't mean you have to subscribe to linguistic realism (the philosophical stance that some aspects of language, like definitions, exist or are true and are not in any way contingent on how we conceptualize language); any definition will do as long as it's clear. It's unreasonable and unuseful to require that everyone adopt the same definitions. It's important however that you're familiar with your disputant's definitions so you can address their ideas rather than just their language
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Nov 7, 2015 02:49
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I think the truth is somewhere in the middle
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Nov 7, 2015 02:54
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If anyone wants to ask a question they worry might be the stupidest question ever, feel free to PM me. I appreciate not all have PMs, but I can only do so much!
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Nov 7, 2015 03:13
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Tujague posted:I think the truth is somewhere in the middle * I am a d&d regular I will promise to be constructive and supportive Can you please phrase this in the form of a question? Or elaborate further. This is a very broad statement, which assumes that all positions of a binary nature are unsustainable. BlueBlazer fucked around with this message at 04:51 on Nov 7, 2015 |
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Nov 7, 2015 04:48
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I am interested in Australian Politics but the thread is a massive circlejerk where you are dogpiled if you are slightly to the right of Marx. For what it's worth I'm not afraid to say I'm happy the government is trying to deter asylum seekers, partially because deaths at sea are bad, but mostly because we're being taken as suckers. There are plenty of safe countries between here and Iraq/Syria etc. We should opt out of the Refugee Convention and turn back all boats.
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Nov 7, 2015 05:07
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Dzhay posted:3. What's with the libertarians? jrode makes long winded arguments that go nowhere that ignore anything anyone in the thread has said about the subject the last three times he made that argument, all of which quote heavily from mises, insists that he doesnt want to talk about subjects ebfore talking about them at great length and then gets mad at goons for talking about them, and basically did a "you wouldn't say that poo poo to my face i'd beat you up" at me and has yet to respond to me taking him up on his challenge also he will, when the dogpile gets too bad, stop posting entirely, and then show up weeks and resume like nothing ever happened, rather than stay and dfend himself or try to grow as a human being BENGHAZI 2 fucked around with this message at 05:18 on Nov 7, 2015 |
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Nov 7, 2015 05:16
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Dilkington posted:I assume you're not a regular based on your diction. oh dear. Is my accent showing. You're talking about shared definitions, but maybe I'm actually confused about grammar. I thought that "postmodern" was an intensifier, or maybe a kind of punctuation in this dialect? Sort of the same way that you would you "neoliberal" or "full communism now."
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Nov 7, 2015 05:34
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Octatonic posted:oh dear. Is my accent showing. It's an adverb, most commonly. But those are supplemental uses.
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Nov 7, 2015 05:41
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tumblr.txt posted:I am interested in Australian Politics but the thread is a massive circlejerk where you are dogpiled if you are slightly to the right of Marx. To be fair anyone to the left of Pinochet would take issue with this.
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Dzhay posted:3. What's with the libertarians? In the 1980s Lew Rockwell engineered a plan for libertarian intellectuals to pander directly to the white supremacist movement. Ever since then, libertarians have fallen into three categories: people who know about this and don't care, people who know about it and think it's awesome, and people who don't know about it. When they find out about it, people in category three either join one of the first two categories or stop being libertarians. Of those who stop being libertarians, some become socialists since all they really ever cared about was civil liberties.
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Effectronica posted:It's an adverb, most commonly. But those are supplemental uses. Okay that makes sense thanks.
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Octatonic posted:Okay that makes sense thanks. Keep posting postmodern, my friends.
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Nov 7, 2015 05:54
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1. What's the deal with hotel bedsheets? 2. I mean, come on! 3. (this space is intentionally left blank) 4. I don't discuss politics or religion with people.
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Nov 7, 2015 06:00
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Lilliput posted:1. What's the deal with hotel bedsheets? 1. Semen 2. yeah exactly
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Nov 7, 2015 06:26
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CharlestheHammer posted:To be fair anyone to the left of Pinochet would take issue with this. 
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Nov 7, 2015 06:31
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tumblr.txt posted:a good portion of Australians agree with me, that's why we have actual concentration camps for migrants Suggestion, from a regular: your argument would be stronger if it was capitalized and had a period at the end, and also didn't use the colon-shrug-colon emoticon to convey an ineffable sense of wishy-washiness.
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Hey guys, I am writing that I know D&D can seem kind of intimidating at first. There's long, sometime year long megathreads on various issues and that can seem a lot to jump into head in if you haven't been apart of it. But I just want to tell you it is okay. For all the lurkers out there I want you to know that the dad chat thread values nothing more than our lurkers coming to post and if you are new to debate & discussion its a great way to introduce yourself to the community in a non-formal, non-debate surrounding. Please keep in mind the dad chat is for the most easy going discussion so keep any formal debates to a thread like this or one of the megathreads, but everyone is welcome to hang out in the chat thread outside the formal news discussion you find in other threads. If you do post in dad chat you'll find that many prominent OPs post there as well, and if you have more off the cuff, simpler questions, they'll be there to clarify for you happily. Also, we like to just make fun. If you're wary about D&D and its many threads I think you'll find that the chat thread is a good gateway to get to know your fellow D&D posters in a less confrontational manner. As for me? Well, I'm no one. I'm not an OP, I'm not a mod, I am just someone who enjoys the insight other goons of different backgrounds can bring. I think you'll enjoy it too once you join us.
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I agree, Berke Negri. I haven't been here long, but if there's anything I've learned in about a month it's that DaDchat is friendly and welcoming, and a great place to unwind and share your opinions in everything from food to motorcycles when you're too burned out on the more serious political threads.  !
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Nov 7, 2015 07:04
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Guns don't kill people, people do? Is gamergate about ethics in games journalism? Is communism good in theory, bad in practice? At what point does the individual become responsible for being fat/obese? Was it immoral to drop atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Does the general circumcision of male infants in the USA violate their bodily autonomy? Is anime good or bad? Does God exist? Does the poster Eripsa have a point about attention marbles? This is now the Circumcision Gun Control Gamergate Communism Fat Atomic Bomb Anime Religion Eripsa Thread.
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Dzhay posted:Can I ask some meta questions? Assuming I can: 1. most of them are circular garbage. lurk, and if you find it interesting, post 2. keep a neutral tone. don't preface your arguments with ideology, threads crop up in here about a single topic that last and are worthwhile so long as the OP isn't looking for hate bait or to be agreed with. just make an argument, put some effort into it, but dont necessarily try for leading questions or to make a thread that is intended to solicit agreement with you 3. some of them are ok, some are batshit idiots that get provoked for laughs
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Lilliput posted:Guns don't kill people, people do? both. people kill people with guns. most often they kill themselves vaguely, not really. it's an excuse to be mad at women every ideology has a death toll. communism as practiced came about at a certain time and place that enhanced that death toll, and it's way more efficient to kill people with communism, but it's easier to kill people with capitalism everyone makes their own choices in life, as best they can with the information given to them. many people are given lovely information sort of, the atomic bombings were not worse than the conventional bombings. it set a bad postwar precedent but all aerial bombing of civilians is a crime, and the allies were the worst at this vaguely, but not really. if you get bent out of shape about it you're insecure. being circumcised isn't harmful to you except ethically, which is garbage both if you believe, then sure never
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Nov 7, 2015 08:47
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Holy cow. That is wisdom. Here is a political joke: New Zealand.
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Nov 7, 2015 10:43
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Lilliput posted:Guns don't kill people, people do? Guns are among the things that people, or robots, can use to kill people. They make this easier than most other methods and should probably be regulated. Nah. Which theory? Probably not. Pretty much immediately, unless someone else is, I don't know, force-feeding them or something? I'm not sure what you mean by this, but you probably shouldn't be letting people die due to being fat. (or anything else for that matter) Probably. Not sure babies should have that. Anime is beyond your human notions of morality. Nah. Is their name "aspire" backwards on purpose?
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Octatonic posted:Srs question: where can I read about Marxist takes on intellectual labor and property. Long story short: Marx doesn't distinguish between labor of intellectual or physical type, but based on what social relation it is a part of - anything that produces surplus value for an employer is productive labor, everything else is unproductive. have a radical day 
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I just found out that my liberal wife has been trolling my conservative extended family on facebook for a while now. I don't mind her trolling, but now she's all afraid of hanging out with them during thanksgiving. My question is: How does one remain utterly shameless about flagrant political trolling. This question is for Nintendo Kid.
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Leroy Diplowski posted:I just found out that my liberal wife has been trolling my conservative extended family on facebook for a while now. I don't mind her trolling, but now she's all afraid of hanging out with them during thanksgiving. My question is: How does one remain utterly shameless about flagrant political trolling. This question is for Nintendo Kid. IMO there really are 2 kinds of trolling. At work we make political jokes (the more politically-inclined crowd do, anyway). They go like this: "So I heard Obama is gonna use drones to watch for children reading bibles in school and if they're white, he'll send the kid and his parents to separate prisons." It's meant to be outlandish and far too off-the-wall to believe someone would actually think but, alas, every once in a while Poe's law takes effect. The thing is, this kind of activity is indistinguishable from internet trolling but it's not meant to anger people, it's meant for mutual laughs. What I would do is try and pitch the point that what your wife was doing was more akin to what we do at work and less so to rile up your family. Yes, we do this across the spectrum. My favorite buddy to do this w/ is actually my polar opposite on the political spectrum.
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SedanChair posted:In the 1980s Lew Rockwell engineered a plan for libertarian intellectuals to pander directly to the white supremacist movement. Ever since then, libertarians have fallen into three categories: people who know about this and don't care, people who know about it and think it's awesome, and people who don't know about it. When they find out about it, people in category three either join one of the first two categories or stop being libertarians. The libertarian contingent on this forum was huge around the time I joined. After George W's prestige plummeted, the libertarians seem to have moved to greener pastures or changed their stripes.
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Leroy Diplowski posted:I just found out that my liberal wife has been trolling my conservative extended family on facebook for a while now. I don't mind her trolling, but now she's all afraid of hanging out with them during thanksgiving. My question is: How does one remain utterly shameless about flagrant political trolling. This question is for Nintendo Kid. he says to post the question in dadchat if you want an answer along with an implied message that you're a coward and a scoundrel
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Vivian Darkbloom posted:The libertarian contingent on this forum was huge around the time I joined. After George W's prestige plummeted, the libertarians seem to have moved to greener pastures or changed their stripes. I motion we suss out these "former" libertarians and subject them to struggle sessions.
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Vivian Darkbloom posted:The libertarian contingent on this forum was huge around the time I joined. After George W's prestige plummeted, the libertarians seem to have moved to greener pastures or changed their stripes. Struggling libertarian here. With increasing automation in industry, I'm starting to question the validity of a libertarian world. It's not that I never thought the day of automated cars and impending widespread automated cashiers would come, I just thought we had decades before serious warnings showed. Therefore I'm not sure what to think at the moment, politically. Feel free to subject me to your struggles, Dilkington.
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Here's a supplement for the OP's advice. Have an image upload service ready in case you drunkenly wander into the picture thread. Of course, this applies for many sub-forums.
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Nov 7, 2015 21:05
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I threw a stone across the pond, it landed in England somehow???
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Verge posted:Struggling libertarian here. With increasing automation in industry, I'm starting to question the validity of a libertarian world. It's not that I never thought the day of automated cars and impending widespread automated cashiers would come, I just thought we had decades before serious warnings showed. Therefore I'm not sure what to think at the moment, politically. Feel free to subject me to your struggles, Dilkington. here's a suggestion: not libertarian
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Verge posted:Struggling libertarian here. With increasing automation in industry, I'm starting to question the validity of a libertarian world. It's not that I never thought the day of automated cars and impending widespread automated cashiers would come, I just thought we had decades before serious warnings showed. Therefore I'm not sure what to think at the moment, politically. Feel free to subject me to your struggles, Dilkington. I don't understand why automation in particular would cause you to question libertarianism. Technology purchased by capitalists has been putting people out of work since the first Industrial Revolution.
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