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I put forward the theorem that the number of bread-enveloped edible products does not come close to the number of species on this planet. Furthermore, as there is no genetic component to the creation of such a dough-wrapped delicacy, there cannot be a later discovery of knowledge that supersedes the previous classification. Thus I find your dismissal of the attempt to form a generic classification system to be both facile and showing the simple-mindedness of a larder nazi. As if the breadth of worldwide sandwichkind can be pinned down to a single definition? Preposterous!
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chaosbreather posted:Totally wrong. Your use of the word proper first indicates how your argument is flawed before it starts. An open faced sandwich is not a sandwich. Furthermore your baffling and misleading explanation is flawed: if I ask for a sandwich and I am presented with one whose slices were cut from different loaves, then it is clearly still what I asked for. If it is missing the lid slice, however, it is clearly not the entire sandwich I ordered. So just because I'm watching my carbs I can't, by your definition have a sandwich? This isn't very sensitive to those of us who have stayed on Atkin's for 10+ years and are still alive. Edit: Where do we stand on lettuce wraps?
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Nov 10, 2015 15:48
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What if you take two open face sandwiches and stack them, both face up? Or to put it another way, if you take a ham sandwich, and put more ham on top of it, does it stop being a sandwich?
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Nov 10, 2015 16:08
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Sharkie posted:Is a club sandwich, because it itself is a sandwich, while containing two other sandwiches (the middle bread pulling double duty as top and bottom, a versatile slice, that one) therefore three sandwiches? Does this make ordering a single club sandwich impossible, as one contains three, yet if you order three club sandwiches you get nine? It is only one sandwich. It cannot be more than one sandwich, but it has the unique property that, if divided correctly, one sandwich can bifurcate into multiple sandwiches. This is because the bread slice is not a hard limiter of the boundaries of the sandwich, but an internal slice can be a filling itself. This means that it is possible to consruct a bread sandwich from three slices of bread, whereas two slices of bread, stacked, without filling, is not a sandwich, unless you fold one piece of bread around the other to create a bread sandwich. GhostofJohnMuir posted:What's the difference between a hamburger and a meatloaf sandwich? Very little. Only the filling - meatloaf is a slice from a cooked log, whereas patties are usually formed into an individual and then cooked. There is also some context around sauce, topping, consumption patterns, etc. spoon0042 posted:What if you take two open face sandwiches and stack them, both face up? That would be a sandwich. A sandwich can have toppings, though this violates the utility of the sandwich to eat tidily without utensils. It Can be done, though. Likewise toast is not a sandwich, but two toasts stacked would be a toast sandwich. Or if you folded or broke a toast onto itself, it would be a sandwich.
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Nov 10, 2015 18:11
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Objective sandwichism does not exist. The sandwich is a construct with which we refer to items food in a family of likenesses for simplicity's sake, and by deconstructing the sandwich its categorical function falters. A sandwich occurs only in the mind, if you believe it to be a sandwich - thus one person's garbage is another person's sandwich. The same can be said to answer dichotomous questions of other cultural constructs, like Art versus Not Art. Welcome to post-structuralist hell.
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Nov 10, 2015 18:33
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I defer to Justice Potter Stewarts "I know it [a sandwich] when I see it" ruling in Jacebellis v Subway (an obscenity case over Subway having the audacity to call themselves a sandwich shop stocked by sandwich artists). Seeing is truth, and I know a sandwich when I see one and don't need any seventh day sandwich apostates to tell me otherwise.
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Nov 10, 2015 19:18
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what about lobster rolls
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Nov 10, 2015 19:28
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PupsOfWar posted:what about lobster rolls Obviously sandwiches
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Nov 10, 2015 19:33
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PupsOfWar posted:what about lobster rolls Like hotdogs, a split bun, roll, or bread that has been filled with foodstuffs qualifies as a sandwich. Lobster rolls also qualify as delicious. But then what about a biscuit with butter and jelly? Is it more like a pancake or more like a PBJ for that service?
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Nov 10, 2015 19:49
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ZorajitZorajit posted:Like hotdogs, a split bun, roll, or bread that has been filled with foodstuffs qualifies as a sandwich. Lobster rolls also qualify as delicious. If the biscuit is just topped then it is not a sandwich. If you put the butter and jelly inside of the biscuit somehow, then it serves as a breakfast sandwich.
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Nov 10, 2015 20:13
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Are Oreos a sandwich? Related: what is the minimal size at which a foodstuff can attain sandwichicity?
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Nov 10, 2015 20:40
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The National Hot Dog and Sausage Council have decided that hot dogs are not a sandwich. http://www.hot-dog.org/press/national-hot-dog-and-sausage-council-announces-official-policy-%E2%80%98hot-dog-sandwich%E2%80%99-controversy I have no personal beef in that battle but just wanted to share their ruling.
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Nov 10, 2015 20:45
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Of course, if they decided they were they'd automatically become subsidiary to The National Sandwich Council.
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Nov 10, 2015 20:49
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How deep does this go??
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Nov 10, 2015 20:50
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That depends on how much crumb you can either condense or scoop out of your bread. /e- OP, I've always wanted to include in the definition of sandwich that the bread ought to be leavened or capable of. Do you feel that's valid or too restricting?
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Nov 10, 2015 20:51
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is this a good place to discuss isiah berlins concepts of positive and negative sandwiches? because i think he makes some good points and, furthermore,
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Nov 10, 2015 20:56
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Jack of Hearts posted:Are Oreos a sandwich? Related: what is the minimal size at which a foodstuff can attain sandwichicity? Oreos contain no bread, and can not be regarded as sandwiches. Although the Oreo sandwiches the cream between two cookies, it's a matter of considering the materials involved rather than making the mistake of only taking basic formation into account. Anyone stubbornly insisting that a cookie sufficiently meets the definition of bread is a charlatan and I won't even engage with that argument. The formation of a sandwich has no limit beyond the hard reality of particle physics, but coming up with hard definitions at such a scale becomes difficult. Despite naysayers on the first page, I think the literalist sandwich definition of 2 slices of bread + meat at least serves as a foundation for greater sandwich extrapolation, so the smallest sandwich would therefore be whatever can be the smallest possible "meat" sandwiched between the smallest possible "bread." Bread by definition must contain, as a minimum, flour and water. Meat is more difficult, since you have a potential argument about whether or not the muscular structure of any given animal must be taken into account or whether a mixture of the basic compounds of meat will suffice. If the compounds will suffice, the smallest possible sandwich is then 2 compounds of 1 flour molecule + 1 water molecule, then 1 meat compound between them. Though more of an academic pursuit, such microsandwiches nonetheless fit the criteria.
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Nov 10, 2015 20:57
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The level of ironic sarcasm in here is off the charts but I feel out of the loop in that I had no idea "hot dogs are a sandwich" was even a thing. Where did this poo poo come from? It doesn't even fit the "between two slices of bread" definition. A hot dog is a hot dog. Show me anywhere that it says "Hot Dog Sandwich" that isn't a sliced open hot dog between sandwich bread. You can't because it doesn't exist.
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Nov 10, 2015 21:00
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if a hot dog isnt a sandwich then neither is a Subway brand sandwich b/c they share identical vestigial connective bread-membranes on the ventral side of the roll
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Nov 10, 2015 21:02
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I often find that as I am eating a hot dog the bun rips and turns into what I can only describe as a submarine sandwich loaf.
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Nov 10, 2015 21:03
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The Toastie which can be toasted is not the eternal Toastie. The panini which can be pani-named are not the eternal Panini.
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Nov 10, 2015 21:03
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look im sorry but youve been eating tubemeat sandwiches for all these years. its better to come to grips with it now.
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