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spoon0042 posted:also why the gently caress are republicans all about welders all of a sudden It's vague enough to not be the previous manufacturing jobs that used to be available as decent-paying jobs for high school graduates in the US until Republican-style policies were themselves responsible for continually driving everything to a race-to-the-bottom wage issue and thus outsourcing to the 3rd world. The funny thing is, the whole "why do we stigmatize vocational training?" rhetorical question is actually easily answered by the fact that conservatives have for decades degraded its respectability by cutting their benefits and pay by denigrating unions, etc. So these manufacturing jobs were now "quickly-disappearing poor-people labor". Cultural stigma doesn't magically come from nowhere.
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Rexicon1 posted:The vocational stuff is probably the only thing I agree with any of this poop-people on. Republicans will be doing none of those things. That's what makes the whole rhetorical exercise so bad; under the most minute scrutiny, it is their complete unwillingness to back competitive wages for workers at these jobs that their respectability went down the shitter. Tech work has, for now, replaced that field entirely and prettymuch sucked up all the investment and wealth instead. The US doesn't make things anymore, and a lot of it has to do with neoliberal economics.
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Nov 11, 2015 05:59
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nachos posted:Did anyone do an analysis of how often taxes were discussed tonight because holy poo poo it must have taken up 3/4 of the debate Pretty sure they didn't change anything from their tax plans that have already been analyzed. Prettymuch all of them raise the deficit by trillions of dollars, some more than others. I don't know how to quantify the "Let's just get rid of all taxes and abolish the IRS" plans, because they're not even worth putting math towards.
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Nov 11, 2015 06:08
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Harald posted:maybe we should have like free community college or something, idk, just a crazy idea We should, but that's only half the equation here. You can have as many graduates as you want, but having the jobs and decent enough pay to survive on is what's lacking in the first place. People will tend to learn the skills that are considered "valuable" by contemporary consensus, which changes based on where most of the capital is flowing. Right now, there's a lot of focus on STEM jobs, and we currently have an absolute glut of law degrees. Competition for an increasingly limited number of positions in those fields is getting intense. (Want an entry-level position? Better have a masters and 5 years of experience!) Fundamentally there's an issue about labor and cutting down on that to the point where you have 1 person handling the labors of 4 as the new normal.
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