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BiggerJ
May 21, 2007

What shall we do with him? A permaban, perhaps? Probate him for a few years? Or...shall we employ a big red custom title? You, the goons of SA, shall decide his fate.

maltesh posted:

It is kind of ominous to see Klara angry.
Audrey has done the impossible, and all she had to do was betray her own loving flesh and blood.

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BiggerJ
May 21, 2007

What shall we do with him? A permaban, perhaps? Probate him for a few years? Or...shall we employ a big red custom title? You, the goons of SA, shall decide his fate.

Pistol_Pete posted:

It's the old: "You might think things aren't perfect now, but if you try and make them better, rich people will have no choice but to take their ball and go home and then you'll have nothing! You should just be thankful that you've got anything at all :)" argument!

Rich people have been using this for centuries, with remarkably persistent success.

For twelve years, you have been asking: Who is Barbara Everdark? This is Barbara Everdark speaking.

BiggerJ
May 21, 2007

What shall we do with him? A permaban, perhaps? Probate him for a few years? Or...shall we employ a big red custom title? You, the goons of SA, shall decide his fate.

wow this really is a fantasy story (rimshot, following by me plunging the drumsticks deep into my eye sockets and impaling my brain)

BiggerJ
May 21, 2007

What shall we do with him? A permaban, perhaps? Probate him for a few years? Or...shall we employ a big red custom title? You, the goons of SA, shall decide his fate.

Otherkinsey Scale posted:

But the first time he used the scepter, his death was imminent and he didn't react this way. What if the evil clown giraffe Russians made a fake scepter because they knew he was coming?

I don't think that death-timeline was one in which he used the scepter - I believe that until now, all the death-timelines we've seen branch off immediately before the use of the scepter. My guess is this death-timeline is a special case, and includes the use of the scepter because the act of using the scepter plays a role in his death.

BiggerJ
May 21, 2007

What shall we do with him? A permaban, perhaps? Probate him for a few years? Or...shall we employ a big red custom title? You, the goons of SA, shall decide his fate.
Theory: Not only does the scepter only include its latest use in a death-timeline if its use causes the death, death-timelines cannot contain nested uses.

Wait, wait. Woah woah woah. This might mean...

SOMEONE ELSE USED THE SCEPTER AND WE WERE ALREADY IN A DEATH-TIMELINE BEFORE LYNDON TOUCHED THE GEM

BiggerJ
May 21, 2007

What shall we do with him? A permaban, perhaps? Probate him for a few years? Or...shall we employ a big red custom title? You, the goons of SA, shall decide his fate.

Otherkinsey Scale posted:

the scepter's visions never gave any kind of context like this before.

Maybe we, the readers, are seeing more of a death-timeline than the user will see. Calling it: someone dies, and the next page consists of a single panel showing the victim touching the gem and reacting to their death-vision.

BiggerJ
May 21, 2007

What shall we do with him? A permaban, perhaps? Probate him for a few years? Or...shall we employ a big red custom title? You, the goons of SA, shall decide his fate.

Peanut Butler posted:

tempted to go back through most of this comic to find out who touches the gem without dying, and when

Keep in mind that when Lyndon's death was imminent and he touched the gem, we appeared to see a universe where he didn't touch it. It seems that death-timelines shown by the gem never include the gem-touching that results in the timeline being shown, because it would create a logical paradox.

BiggerJ
May 21, 2007

What shall we do with him? A permaban, perhaps? Probate him for a few years? Or...shall we employ a big red custom title? You, the goons of SA, shall decide his fate.
Who came up with the theo-- oh, right.

BIGGERJ (singing): I'm smarter than Oyvind Thorsby, I'm smarter than Oyvind Thorsby...
(Oyvind points Mjolnir at BiggerJ's head)
OYVIND THORSBY: DU ER IKKE SMARTERE ENN MEG!

So it seems that the initial touch IS included in a death timeline, but only if it can't be avoided, at which point it behaves like all nested touches: non-functionally. There's no way Lyndon wasn't going to use it at that moment.

vyelkin posted:

Okay, new theory:

The Skyggemyrians have been somehow modifying the scepter so that instead of showing the few seconds before your death, it shows you how time elapses from the moment you touch the scepter all the way until you die..

Not necessary. A complete simulation is a complete simulation, even if the user only sees the tail end of it.

BiggerJ fucked around with this message at 02:58 on Mar 23, 2019

BiggerJ
May 21, 2007

What shall we do with him? A permaban, perhaps? Probate him for a few years? Or...shall we employ a big red custom title? You, the goons of SA, shall decide his fate.
"Overhead, without any fuss, the stars were going out."

Dinosaurs! posted:

Maybe the scepter sims the whole thing and whoever touched it only retains the memory of the final moment?

This, exactly. You HAVE to sim the whole thing. A universe simulation is a universe simulation, even if the user doesn't see it all.

Dinosaurs! posted:

Could the scepter be “broken” because everyone’s in a simulation from someone who touched it earlier and you can’t scepter-ception?

It's possible that the 'other person' was still Lyndon, and in the new timeline, the original touch was omitted (as we saw in its first use in the comic) but Lyndon still touched it because he was always going to in that situation. But I wouldn't put it past Thorsby to have Lyndon die, have the universe not end, and then have it turn out that someone else touched it first.

BiggerJ fucked around with this message at 09:22 on Mar 23, 2019

BiggerJ
May 21, 2007

What shall we do with him? A permaban, perhaps? Probate him for a few years? Or...shall we employ a big red custom title? You, the goons of SA, shall decide his fate.

Eeevil posted:

I hope Audrey finds some way to retain her memory after we jump back in time so she can stop Zoozo from dying. Maybe she can stab Lyndon to death while listing all the bad stuff that he needs to prevent.
Perhaps someone could say some important stuff to the real-world instigating gem-toucher shortly before the timeline ends. Something similar happens in the ending of Return of the Obra Dinn.

BiggerJ fucked around with this message at 12:15 on Mar 27, 2019

BiggerJ
May 21, 2007

What shall we do with him? A permaban, perhaps? Probate him for a few years? Or...shall we employ a big red custom title? You, the goons of SA, shall decide his fate.
I've just realized that if our theories are correct, with the scepter being used to not just prevent its user's death but perform a dry-run, then the twist is that an interesting mechanic has been explored and exploited, which is EXTREMELY Thorsby. So the twist is that there IS no twist - it's just another Thors-day!

BiggerJ
May 21, 2007

What shall we do with him? A permaban, perhaps? Probate him for a few years? Or...shall we employ a big red custom title? You, the goons of SA, shall decide his fate.
"Almost the entire universe is gone." That explains the stars disappearing. The gem can only simulate the entire universe for so long. Of course, this poisons the simulation, making it useless for predicting the user's death - but if someone who knows they're in a simulation is present at the eventual death, they can be the simulation's way of predicting other things, instead, by describing things that happened in the simulation. See: Doctor Who episode Extremis.

BiggerJ
May 21, 2007

What shall we do with him? A permaban, perhaps? Probate him for a few years? Or...shall we employ a big red custom title? You, the goons of SA, shall decide his fate.

Synthbuttrange posted:

Whats with the paintings in this castle?

Non-abstract paintings angry up the blood.

BiggerJ
May 21, 2007

What shall we do with him? A permaban, perhaps? Probate him for a few years? Or...shall we employ a big red custom title? You, the goons of SA, shall decide his fate.

RandomFerret posted:

It doesn't stop simulating anything, it only simulates a five light-year radius of existence. The stars were never there, only the light they were emitting that had already entered that radius. It look five years for the last of those photons to hit earth, so it looked like all the stars vanished at once.

...Together, we can defeat Thorsby the Farcebringer.

BiggerJ
May 21, 2007

What shall we do with him? A permaban, perhaps? Probate him for a few years? Or...shall we employ a big red custom title? You, the goons of SA, shall decide his fate.

Peanut Butler posted:

yeah his heart's in the right place for sure

We now that, but know we can't know how fast it's going.

Edit: I've just realized that the most important thing Thorsby did in that comic was the thing he didn't do - try to work his theories into a narrative comic.

BiggerJ fucked around with this message at 11:09 on Jun 18, 2019

BiggerJ
May 21, 2007

What shall we do with him? A permaban, perhaps? Probate him for a few years? Or...shall we employ a big red custom title? You, the goons of SA, shall decide his fate.
I've done the math - the simulation has a radius of 1.8 parsecs.

(Someone else previously figured out that the simulation simulates a sphere around the world that contains not stars besides the sun, so when the still-traveling starlight runs out, that's it. In our universe, the nearest star besides our Sun is Proxima Centauri, 4.367 light years away, so the comic's setting's nearest non-sun star must be further away.)

BiggerJ fucked around with this message at 14:01 on Jun 23, 2019

BiggerJ
May 21, 2007

What shall we do with him? A permaban, perhaps? Probate him for a few years? Or...shall we employ a big red custom title? You, the goons of SA, shall decide his fate.

Rumda posted:

The world isn't exactly advanced in astrophysics the 5 and a bit light year sphere is a viable explaintion

Yeah, most likely he came up with the explanation, then realized that the people of the setting probably wouldn't know that light has a finite speed, so he left it as an Exercise for the Reader (TM).

BiggerJ
May 21, 2007

What shall we do with him? A permaban, perhaps? Probate him for a few years? Or...shall we employ a big red custom title? You, the goons of SA, shall decide his fate.
A realization - remember when Lyndon first used the scepter? In the vision, he said 'I suppose we should head home then' but looked disappointed. Also note Trixie and Audrey's expressions. The vision had started just after the point where sim-Lyndon said the scepter didn't work. Thorsby is a loving chessmaster.

BiggerJ fucked around with this message at 09:01 on Jun 25, 2019

BiggerJ
May 21, 2007

What shall we do with him? A permaban, perhaps? Probate him for a few years? Or...shall we employ a big red custom title? You, the goons of SA, shall decide his fate.

RandomFerret posted:

I don't appreciate the implication that we're all Lyndons for figuring this out

Yeah, that entire page had a vibe of Thorsby clapping sarcastically and saying, "Vil du ha en jævla medalje eller noe?" I love it.

BiggerJ
May 21, 2007

What shall we do with him? A permaban, perhaps? Probate him for a few years? Or...shall we employ a big red custom title? You, the goons of SA, shall decide his fate.

Synthbuttrange posted:

(simulation lasts until the baboon is torn apart in the event horizon of a black hole)

Given the limited size of the simulated universe, it'd have to be created. Then again, this is a Thorsby comic, so sooner or later someone's going to accidentally create one.

BiggerJ
May 21, 2007

What shall we do with him? A permaban, perhaps? Probate him for a few years? Or...shall we employ a big red custom title? You, the goons of SA, shall decide his fate.
Everything's been laid out - more information than we ourselves needed. This leaves the big question:

Is Lyndon Painatorium going to gently caress up?

BiggerJ
May 21, 2007

What shall we do with him? A permaban, perhaps? Probate him for a few years? Or...shall we employ a big red custom title? You, the goons of SA, shall decide his fate.
Looks like we might have our big Doctor Who Extremis moment coming up.

BiggerJ
May 21, 2007

What shall we do with him? A permaban, perhaps? Probate him for a few years? Or...shall we employ a big red custom title? You, the goons of SA, shall decide his fate.
Oh god oh god. Lyndon has the information he needs but he also hasn't figured out enough context to not see it as being murdered by Audrey. Thorsby you brilliant motherfucker.

BiggerJ
May 21, 2007

What shall we do with him? A permaban, perhaps? Probate him for a few years? Or...shall we employ a big red custom title? You, the goons of SA, shall decide his fate.
Looks like the servant is trying and failing to use Thorsby's trademark brand of cleverness. It could be a bit of self-parody on Thorsby's part.

Or maybe he's constantly coming up with ideas he thinks are clever but has enough of a superego to recognize which ones people will think are boring, or just plain bad, and occasionally uses the ones he thinks are comically bad in gags. Every part of the Thors-buffalo!

Peanut Butler posted:

we're not the only twenty-year old legacy web forum, y'know

https://www.metafilter.com/154644/The-Worlds-of-yvind-Thorsby

Hee hee, guilty as charged! (Check the username.)

BiggerJ fucked around with this message at 12:30 on Sep 26, 2019

BiggerJ
May 21, 2007

What shall we do with him? A permaban, perhaps? Probate him for a few years? Or...shall we employ a big red custom title? You, the goons of SA, shall decide his fate.
Zoozo has the voice of Darkness from the first Pajama Sam game and nobody can convince me otherwise.

BiggerJ
May 21, 2007

What shall we do with him? A permaban, perhaps? Probate him for a few years? Or...shall we employ a big red custom title? You, the goons of SA, shall decide his fate.
I will NOT be surprised at all if it turns out Thorsby intended Klara to be autistic.

BiggerJ
May 21, 2007

What shall we do with him? A permaban, perhaps? Probate him for a few years? Or...shall we employ a big red custom title? You, the goons of SA, shall decide his fate.
Want more Thorsby, including guest strips for other webcomics and actual playable games? See my Metafilter post. That's right, he's made three entire games.

Want another gorgeously overthought comic? Look no further than the Thai webcomic Isekai Transporter. In anime and manga, isekai is an entire wish-fulfillment genre in which ordinary people find themselves stranded in other worlds. The classic isekai stereotype is the protagonist being reincarnated in another world after getting hit by a truck. What must it be like for those poor truck drivers? Or... do they know? And if so, how? Who are they working for? Why are their employers doing this? And what does it all entail, when you really think about it to Thorsbyan levels?

BiggerJ
May 21, 2007

What shall we do with him? A permaban, perhaps? Probate him for a few years? Or...shall we employ a big red custom title? You, the goons of SA, shall decide his fate.

davidspackage posted:

Oh lord, they're text adventures? The only way this could be better is if they were point & click ones in his artstyle. Can't wait to check them out.

Two of them are. The third is a graphical HTML-based adventure that quietly parodies the Choose-Your-Own-Adventure(TM) variable-less choice-based adventure game format.

The text adventures have unique quirks (even beyond Thorsby being Thorsby). In Adventurer's Consumer Guide (and maybe the other, which I haven't played yet), you never have to examine anything. Everything you need to know, you can learn with the 'look' and 'inventory' commands, and by actually interacting with stuff (including reading a book that is included in its entirety, page for page). Attack of the Yeti Robot Zombies has its own unique gimmick - you can die, but the game is entirely fair, so Thorsby requests that if you die in the game, you should never play it again, ever.

BiggerJ fucked around with this message at 10:48 on Jan 1, 2020

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BiggerJ
May 21, 2007

What shall we do with him? A permaban, perhaps? Probate him for a few years? Or...shall we employ a big red custom title? You, the goons of SA, shall decide his fate.

Cat Mattress posted:

In other words, extremely harmful cursed items that people are trying to sell off through impressive spindoctoring.

From what I recall, at least one of the items could plausibly be exactly that.

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