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The goonslinger surveys the scene. His whole life has been leading up to this moment. The terrorists haven't seen him, and with his expert marksmanship, it should only be a matter of - oh, never mind, he got capped by one of eight panicking dudes with handguns
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Zas posted:The goonslinger surveys the scene. His whole life has been leading up to this moment. The terrorists haven't seen him, and with his expert marksmanship, it should only be a matter of - oh, never mind, he got capped by one of eight panicking dudes with handguns just post and be done with it
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Excelzior posted:just post Or the reverse: http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/texas-good-guy-with-a-gun-shoots-carjacking-victim-in-head-then-runs-away/ article posted:Texas ‘good guy with a gun’ shoots carjacking victim in head — then runs away
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Cat Mattress posted:Scenario assumes cops are like the cliché English bobbies, no weapons except at most a baton. French police (and gendarmes, riot brigades, etc.) have guns. And grenades. I read somewhere, that knives are better for personal self defense because of stupid poo poo like that.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:I read somewhere, that knives are better for personal self defense because of stupid poo poo like that. If your plan is to kill a dude then knives are what you want. Self-defence, e.g. not getting yourself hurt is not what knives are for.
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Tesseraction posted:Or the reverse: If the driver had a gun, that wouldn't have happened.
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Nov 22, 2015 03:23
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Subjunctive posted:Pick the right town and the right high school graduation or football game (or gun show!) and you can probably max out the effectiveness of a bomb vest. I think we're a ways from the small town attack. I'd imagine that would be a target after we've been desensitized to years of attacks. There are plenty of first tier US cities that haven't been attacked. And then there are 2nd tier cities to work through. Small rural nowhere towns are simply not a priority when you can get a similar effect in a 2nd tier city with somewhat better name recognition.
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Nov 22, 2015 03:26
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Skellybones posted:If the driver had a gun, that wouldn't have happened. Honestly if that driver HAD got one in his dashboard or something I'd have probably pissed myself laughing. After the initial horror I had at hearing he'd been shot in the head (but thankfully survived).
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Nov 22, 2015 03:27
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Combat Pretzel posted:I don't know... If they're all about the infidels and how they have to die, you'd expect them to set fire everywhere. If you get the police forces to disperse all over the place, you'd also have it easier to attack more of those big symbolic places. While there are probably groups that legitimately are about how the infidels all need to convert or die, ISIL is not that group. It's much more authoritarian power tripping with "Islamic law" as the excuse used to justify it rather than a group trying to enforce an ideology with authoritarianism. They barely even pretend to practice what they preach and do all kinds of blatantly hypocritical stuff like executing woman dentists who work on men while al-Baghdadi's personal doctor is a woman.
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Nov 22, 2015 03:28
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Vladimir Putin posted:I think we're a ways from the small town attack. I'd imagine that would be a target after we've been desensitized to years of attacks. There are plenty of first tier US cities that haven't been attacked. And then there are 2nd tier cities to work through. Small rural nowhere towns are simply not a priority when you can get a similar effect in a 2nd tier city with somewhat better name recognition. As I posted previously, there is a propaganda benefit to hitting smaller or 'less relevant' areas as it creates a fear of 'foreigners' in small villages way, way up and drives (in this case) Islamophobia through the roof, aiding the Daesh recruitment plan.
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A Fancy 400 lbs posted:While there are probably groups that legitimately are about how the infidels all need to convert or die, ISIL is not that group. It's much more authoritarian power tripping with "Islamic law" as the excuse used to justify it rather than a group trying to enforce an ideology with authoritarianism. They barely even pretend to practice what they preach and do all kinds of blatantly hypocritical stuff like executing woman dentists who work on men while al-Baghdadi's personal doctor is a woman. I viewed the recent ISIS attacks as extremely neihlistic. No political demands really just loving carnage.
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Vladimir Putin posted:I viewed the recent ISIS attacks as extremely neihlistic. No political demands really just loving carnage. Which attacks? All the ones in the past two weeks have seemed pretty goal-oriented.
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Warbadger posted:Well, to be fair it was a text book "if guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns" kind of scenario. France is very, very restrictive with civilian firearm ownership and use. The guns used in the attack would have been illegal practically anywhere on the planet and nobody involved was using a gun for self defense anyways. If anything it's the sort of thing that could convince someone that they may actually want a weapon around to defend themselves. Getting firearms is not that hard in France. Shotguns and rifles with capacity less than 3 rounds don't even require permits,just a simple sport or hunting licence. Shotties and hunting rifles are fairly common in the countryside. I've never understood how many European countries that are littered witH firearms are deemed to have "strict policies" when it's basically about getting a class, a theory course, some checks and a couple of papers from the doctor. Strict places are places where getting a weapon is by default not permissible. Fully automatic rifles just aren't really legal anywhere. Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 07:15 on Nov 22, 2015 |
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Vahakyla posted:
The obvious solution is to make suicide 'belts' illegal, right?
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LeJackal posted:The obvious solution is to make suicide 'belts' illegal, right? Or legal as long as you don't hurt anyone else.
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Bip Roberts posted:Or legal as long as you don't hurt anyone else. Just require a psychological evaluation before issuing suicide belt permissions, tha'll solve it.
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LeJackal posted:The obvious solution is to make suicide 'belts' illegal, right? Obviously, the way to deal with the threat of terrorism is to legalize private ownership of suicide belts. If owning suicide belts is considered a terrorist crime, then only terrorists will have suicide belts. Don't let the belt grabbers stop you from protecting yourself! Vahakyla posted:I've never understood how many European countries that are littered witH firearms are deemed to have "strict policies" when it's basically about getting a class, a theory course, some checks and a couple of papers from the doctor. Paris had nothing to do with internal French firearms control policies and everything to do with the fact that millions of Russian-made small arms are sloshing around Eastern Europe from the Yugoslav wars along with the fact that as a result of Schengen the EU depends on the security services of Slovakia and Croatia being both able and willing to shut down the black market arms trade.
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