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twerking on the railroad
Jun 23, 2007

Get on my level

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

It's possible to both address K-12 education, and make college free at the same time. It's not as if one issue completely crowds out the other in terms of what's possible politically.

And besides, if you want to try to claim that free college is unrealistic, really consider what "fixing" K-12 would involve. You can't resolve the districting issue without Federalizing funding, which means you'd be facing a rabid right wing opposition which is violently opposed to any kind of Federal control over how their schools end up being run.

Frankly that would be worse at the college level. At least k-12 school is currently nationalized. Colleges (excepting community colleges) are in the business of being more elite than the next school. Throwing them more money and saying you'll cover college for everyone just means that schools will dump that money into the construction of buildings that only look good on a campus tour and make their school still more expensive. The only way to get something for your money is to nationalize the colleges and almost all of them will fight that tooth and nail. Especially if it looks like national k-12 is in bad shape, no one is going to want to be nationalized.

Especially private schools, but then they're in direct competition with public schools. Even now the better state schools that have had their funding cut by their states have been pushing for "partial privatization."

Free community college is a great idea that needs to happen yesterday. Free college is a much more complicated issue than people are making it out to be.

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twerking on the railroad
Jun 23, 2007

Get on my level

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

I think you're a little confused on what "nationalized" means. K-12 education is run by the states, not the Federal government, although a lot of funding does come from the Federal level. American Universities are also mostly public institutions, but they're also run by the states. Part of the reason tuition costs have been so high is because government funding of post-secondary in most states has dropped over the decades.

Actually k-12 is run by local municipalities on (local, not state) property taxes but it's effectively nationalized in that federal money is given for conforming to certain nationwide standards so everyone takes that money.

And while of course the dropping state support of public colleges is a factor, it's a secondary one. Costs at private colleges are rising just as quickly.

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