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fade5 posted:"Voting for Hillary in 2016 is like voting for W in 2000." I highly doubt he will, but if Sanders actually came out at the debate indirectly blaming Clinton for the Paris attack that will be the end of what is left of his campaign, in true Romney-Benghazi campaign style.
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Joementum posted:BOOM! If the debate doesn't at least put some focus on the Paris attacks that's definitely not going to look good. Sanders has to know he can't whine away problems as President or whine about unfairness in the face of relentless GOP attacks. CBS should've stuck to their guns and told him to not show up if he didn't like it.
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Nov 15, 2015 01:37
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A Neurotic Jew posted:She could do this, but it's a pretty risky maneuver without a very clear idea of what actually happened. If it's at all different than what's been reported Bernie could zing her pretty bad. Clinton is an excellent debater and would instantly win any kind of quick back and forth between Sanders or O'Malley. Obama tried a few times in 2008 and lost each time. Sanders would perform much worse given that its against his personality to be aggressive.
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Nov 15, 2015 01:44
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FAUXTON posted:Counterpoint: "You're likable enough." How's that a counterpoint? That hurt Obama significantly right before NH and is widely credited as one of the reasons his numbers turned upside down before the NH election.
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Nov 15, 2015 01:49
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Joementum posted:“We had agreed on opening and closing statements, the timing of those," Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver said about the debate format that was settled before the attacks on Friday. "Others attempted to change those. We pushed back on those and ended up prevailing. We're very happy about that.” Wow, that is impressively tone deaf from a campaign manager.
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Nov 15, 2015 02:53
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I guess Sanders didn't get the memo about not doing stump speeches at debates.
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Nov 15, 2015 03:06
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What a huge gently caress up by Sanders.
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Nov 15, 2015 03:07
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Compare these questions to a GOP debate.
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Nov 15, 2015 03:10
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Bernie blaming Clinton for the Paris attacks indirectly. That's the end for Bernie.
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Nov 15, 2015 03:13
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Great to see Hillary actually talk about something she enjoys.
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Nov 15, 2015 03:21
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What the gently caress was that from Sanders?
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Nov 15, 2015 03:24
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Bernie is not doing great, Clinton is doing pretty good considering the questions and double teaming, O'Malley is outperforming expectations by a little.
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Nov 15, 2015 03:36
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Joementum posted:It won't matter so much how the candidates are doing in the back-and-forth, because nobody's watching it. The clips coming out of this will be much more important. Yeah that hit on Clinton about it being an American fight was a good one, even though Clinton is correct on the details.
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Nov 15, 2015 03:39
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O'Malley is having a good night.
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Nov 15, 2015 03:55
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Top City Homo posted:wrong Tell that to the entire Vermont state legislature.
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Nov 15, 2015 04:00
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This isn't going to end well for Sanders.
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Nov 15, 2015 04:03
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Zas posted:mitt romney called it Yup. Once Hillary established that Sanders was going after her character it's over.
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Nov 15, 2015 04:06
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Zas posted:and yet she really didn't seize the moment It's not so much about the immediacy but now it's out in the open that Sanders is attacking her character and integrity.
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Nov 15, 2015 04:08
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Wow at these debate quesitons.
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Nov 15, 2015 04:14
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Combed Thunderclap posted:Yeah, Hillary is actually on the defensive here, she's retreated to "I agree with you both" positions. Smart move on her part, but it's not the kind of attitude she was able to take in the first debate. To be fair, between the moderator questions and the double teaming she's going to be on the defensive.
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Nov 15, 2015 04:18
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Tatum Girlparts posted:He says he's sick of them, then in an interview he does the 'well there IS an investigation just sayin' thing and now 'that's a media thing' apparently. He wants to jab at her but he's trying to keep his sweet grandpa image up. He said "well these is an FBI investigation", he weaseled out of it tonight.
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Nov 15, 2015 04:28
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QuoProQuid posted:Sanders: Health care is a right for all people. Meanwhile Sanders has yet to explain how he's going to get medicare for all passed through congress.
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Nov 15, 2015 04:43
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badatom posted:It's really frustrating that the Republicans get to do debates on Easy Mode. They would get demolished by these moderators and questions. Yup, these are the furthest thing from softball questions.
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Nov 15, 2015 04:47
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Joementum posted:Bernie's answer here a perfect example of "Senatoritis" in debates. Nobody cares about your "crisis" as a committee chairman. Yeah I thought he was going to say the VA was in crisis that was helping to solve.
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Nov 15, 2015 04:49
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I'm surprised Clinton didn't mention Paris in her closing arguments.
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Nov 15, 2015 04:51
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I think Clinton won the debate because nothing significant happened. Sanders sucked horribly for the first 30 minutes of the debate. Additionally Clinton established that he's attacking her character and integrity and Sanders is going to have that hanging over his head now for a while.
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Nov 15, 2015 04:55
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I also think Joementum is right again that she did give up a couple bad soundbites for general election ads.
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Nov 15, 2015 04:57
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Bad Caller posted:I'm honestly worried a Republican will win just because of so many of the Democratic base not being all that for Hillary Clinton is more liked by Democratic voters than any other candidate for any party: 83% favorable impression, 47% strongly favorable. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/11/13/poll-hillary-clintons-image-among-democrats-much-stronger-than-bernie-sanderss/ quote:Fully 83 percent of Democrats have a favorable impression of Clinton[/b], compared with 54 percent for Sanders. And despite Sanders's ability to energize the Democratic base -- as shown by huge crowds turning out to see him -- Clinton's edge is almost as large on intensity; 47 percent see Clinton in a "strongly favorable" light, compared with 22 percent for Sanders. So while more than half of Democrats who like Clinton feel strongly, less than half of those who like Sanders feel that way.
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Nov 15, 2015 05:11
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The out of context soundbites from Clinton (and moderators with the "are you at war with radical islam, yes or no" question) are the main reasons why the DNC wants fewer debates instead of the 20+ cluster gently caress the RNC has going on. Fewer debates are safer for the general election. And as you can see after two debates the DNC has no real reason to want fewer debates to hold Sanders down from Clinton- he not good at debates and has come out of both with worse numbers.
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Nov 15, 2015 06:20
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