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Yvonmukluk
Oct 10, 2012

Everything is Sinister


The Lord of Hats posted:

Come on, now, that's not true at all.

Elections ended when the nation immediately crumbled when not-George-Washington was elected.

Yeah, I think the fact that we're judging all of these people from our modern perspective and values means that it's nigh impossible for us to weigh the candidates objectively in their context. I mean Wing's only on the ballot in 5 states and running as a protest candidate and goons are probably going to put him in the White House regardless. Which is of course part of the fun. Although I kind of like the cut of this Bellamy chap's jib. Why can't we vote for him?

(Man, goon-selected candiates would make this thread even more gloriously ridiculous. I mean we'd almost certainly have President Hamilton rather than His Elective Majesty, Our Lord-Protector, John Adams, President of the United States, Protector of Their Liberties Rotundity as our very first POTUS.)

Also FYI i'm voting for Teddy in every election he's on the ballot, Debs or no Debs. Gotta get those National Parks. Bully!

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tatankatonk
Nov 4, 2011

Pitching is the art of instilling fear.
Wing

Harold Stassen
Jan 24, 2016
I voted for the guy with the same name as me

As I always do and always will

The Lord of Hats
Aug 22, 2010

Hello, yes! Is being very good day for posting, no?
Cast my vote for Bidwell! Full communism is all well and good, but I like my promises of reform to come from people who actually have a chance of pulling them off. Granted, actual prohibition is a poo poo policy that is only ever going to cause trouble, but he's not attempting to dismantle his own office and replace the entirety of the government and society with a completely new structure.

QuoProQuid
Jan 12, 2012

Tr*ckin' and F*ckin' all the way to tha
T O P

Yvonmukluk posted:

Although I kind of like the cut of this Bellamy chap's jib. Why can't we vote for him?

Bellamy is a fascinating character in and of himself. His book, Looking Backwards, was the third-largest bestseller of the 19th century behind Uncle Tom's Cabin and Ben-Hur. Its popularity, in turn, inspired a pseudo-socialist poltical movement during the 1880s similar to the Fourier phalanxes of the 1840s. Had it not been for Bellamy's failing health and the unexpected rise of the Populists, the movement might have gained some steam. Bellamy recognized that "socialism" had become politically toxic and needed rebranding if it was to survive as a major force in the United States.

Looking Forward is filled with the delightful predictions and bizarre optimism that characterizes a lot of utopian fiction. For example, he envisions stores where you can buy literally anything whose products are delivered within 24 hours to your house via a complex tube network.

While I'm here and on the topic of bizarre futurism, I do want to highlight an absolutely phenomenal article published by The Strand magazine in 1893. The article's premise revolves around the discovery of a book from the future. In the future, it seems, fashion has become a well-respected science "governed by immutable laws." The article then summarizes and illustrates the future trends in fashion, using the mysterious book as guidance. Here are some of the illustrations:








QuoProQuid has issued a correction as of 11:47 on Jul 26, 2016

Empress Theonora
Feb 19, 2001

She was a sword glinting in the depths of night, a lance of light piercing the darkness. There would be no mistakes this time.

QuoProQuid posted:

Bellamy is a fascinating character in and of himself. His book, Looking Backwards, was the third-largest bestseller of the 19th century behind Uncle Tom's Cabin and Ben-Hur. Its popularity, in turn, inspired a pseudo-socialist poltical movement during the 1880s similar to the Fourier phalanxes of the 1840s. Had it not been for Bellamy's failing health and the unexpected rise of the Populists, the movement might have gained some steam. Bellamy recognized that "socialism" had become politically toxic and needed rebranding if it was to survive as a major force in the United States.

Looking Forward is filled with the delightful predictions and bizarre optimism that characterizes a lot of utopian fiction. For example, he envisions stores where you can buy literally anything which are delivered within 24 hours to your house via a complex tube network.

While I'm here and on the topic of bizarre futurism, I do want to highlight an absolutely phenomenal article published by The Strand magazine in 1893. The article's premise is that a mysterious book from the future is discovered. In the future, it seems, fashion has become a well-respected science "governed by immutable laws." The article then summarizes and illustrates the future trends in fashion, using the mysterious book as guidance. Here are some of the illustrations:










I love these so much.

frankenfreak
Feb 16, 2007

I SCORED 85% ON A QUIZ ABOUT MONDAY NIGHT RAW AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS LOUSY TEXT

#bastionboogerbrigade
Bibliography
[...]
Individual works in English
The Hierarchies of Cuckoldry and Bankruptcy. Cambridge, MA: Wakefield Press, 2011.

Sounds like C-SPAM's new favorite book.

Yvonmukluk
Oct 10, 2012

Everything is Sinister


QuoProQuid posted:

Bellamy is a fascinating character in and of himself. His book, Looking Backwards, was the third-largest bestseller of the 19th century behind Uncle Tom's Cabin and Ben-Hur. Its popularity, in turn, inspired a pseudo-socialist poltical movement during the 1880s similar to the Fourier phalanxes of the 1840s. Had it not been for Bellamy's failing health and the unexpected rise of the Populists, the movement might have gained some steam. Bellamy recognized that "socialism" had become politically toxic and needed rebranding if it was to survive as a major force in the United States.

Looking Forward is filled with the delightful predictions and bizarre optimism that characterizes a lot of utopian fiction. For example, he envisions stores where you can buy literally anything which are delivered within 24 hours to your house via a complex tube network.

While I'm here and on the topic of bizarre futurism, I do want to highlight an absolutely phenomenal article published by The Strand magazine in 1893. The article's premise revolves around the discovery of a book from the future. In the future, it seems, fashion has become a well-respected science "governed by immutable laws." The article then summarizes and illustrates the future trends in fashion, using the mysterious book as guidance. Here are some of the illustrations:









Goddamn hipsters!
That said, I'm going to assume this is how people dress in this timeline.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

The article itself actually has some text that explain where some of the bizarre choices come from. Apparently the first leap from 1893 is men's fashion emulating women's fashion to an exaggerated degree. It also mentions that after so many years of being pent-up in fashion with crisp black and gray Victorian outfits, society uses fashion as a release and embraces wild color combinations and bizarre extravagance. It's a neat look at the feelings of the author toward contemporary society and fashion, which seem to be expressed through this writing.

Corek
May 11, 2013

by R. Guyovich
Here's another famous prediction article where a lot was scarily right on the money, but a lot was not.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Corek posted:

Here's another famous prediction article where a lot was scarily right on the money, but a lot was not.



This is really ripe fodder for an RPG setting or something.

Corek
May 11, 2013

by R. Guyovich

chitoryu12 posted:

This is really ripe fodder for an RPG setting or something.

gently caress steampunk

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Corek posted:

gently caress steampunk

It's not even steampunk! According to the author, everything is running on electric motors to the point where coal is almost totally out of use and houses no longer have chimneys.

It feels a lot more interesting than typical steampunk and dieselpunk settings, since you've got such a weird mixture of things like electric ekranoplans that dive underwater to avoid storms and take "only 2 days" to cross the Atlantic and pedestrian-only ground levels in cities, but airships instead of airplanes. And apparently electricity is a miracle substance that makes plants grow faster and larger, and you turn on spigots to control your HVAC by mixing hot and cold air.

Yvonmukluk
Oct 10, 2012

Everything is Sinister


chitoryu12 posted:

It's not even steampunk! According to the author, everything is running on electric motors to the point where coal is almost totally out of use and houses no longer have chimneys.

It feels a lot more interesting than typical steampunk and dieselpunk settings, since you've got such a weird mixture of things like electric ekranoplans that dive underwater to avoid storms and take "only 2 days" to cross the Atlantic and pedestrian-only ground levels in cities, but airships instead of airplanes. And apparently electricity is a miracle substance that makes plants grow faster and larger, and you turn on spigots to control your HVAC by mixing hot and cold air.

Fun fact I learned from the Dollop: apparently Henry Ford was working on an electric car when he was first starting out (with batteries supplied by Edison). Unfortunately the batteries were poo poo, and rather than look for another supplier he gave up on the idea. Also they struck oil in Texas, so gas prices went way down and we got the gas guzzlers we all know and love.

Also QuidProQuid: please make sure to post the latest fashion from that handy chart for all future election announcements, please.

fantastic in plastic
Jun 15, 2007

The Socialist Workers Party's newspaper proved to be a tough sell to downtown businessmen.

QuoProQuid posted:

While I'm here and on the topic of bizarre futurism, I do want to highlight an absolutely phenomenal article published by The Strand magazine in 1893. The article's premise revolves around the discovery of a book from the future. In the future, it seems, fashion has become a well-respected science "governed by immutable laws." The article then summarizes and illustrates the future trends in fashion, using the mysterious book as guidance. Here are some of the illustrations:










I see people dressed like this in Portland all the time.

Mountaineer
Aug 29, 2008

Imagine a rod breaking on a robot face - forever
As the extra-temporal beings whose only influence on this timeline is selecting presidents, why should we support a candidate who would eliminate the office of president?

Four more years of Harrison, I say!

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
Simon Wing’s my man.

Yvonmukluk posted:

Also FYI i'm voting for Teddy in every election he's on the ballot, Debs or no Debs. Gotta get those National Parks. Bully!

Also this.

Tritanomalicious
Mar 14, 2008

A dog, A barrel... RIDICULOUS!

Corek posted:

Here's another famous prediction article where a lot was scarily right on the money, but a lot was not.



I'm loving the term "wholesale cookery"

foobardog
Apr 19, 2007

There, now I can tell when you're posting.

-- A friend :)

Tritanomalicious posted:

I'm loving the term "wholesale cookery"

Restaurant supply stores would do well to rename themselves to it.

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

Dear thread, have something that is random, presidential related, and bizarre from 1970 Life. [Note: the cover story may send the sensitive into neural shock.]

foobardog
Apr 19, 2007

There, now I can tell when you're posting.

-- A friend :)

One little, two little, three little Nixons...
Four little, five little, six little Nixons...
Seven little, eight little, nine little Nixons...
Ten little Nixon Aroos

prefect
Sep 11, 2001

No one, Woodhouse.
No one.




Dead Man’s Band

:monocle:

QuoProQuid
Jan 12, 2012

Tr*ckin' and F*ckin' all the way to tha
T O P

Thank you for voting. Continuing America’s fascination with radicalism, Simon Wing has been elected President of these United States. Despite Wing’s clear advantages during the campaign, such as his complete lack of experience or viable party infrastructure, observers are somehow still stunned by the country’s most recent degeneration towards socialism. Appearing with his vice-president-elect, Charles Matchett, and acclaimed writer Edward Bellamy, Wing has promised an end to bourgeois rule and the beginning a new nationalist revolution.

Meanwhile, President Benjamin Harrison has declared a banking holiday. Stocks have plummeted. American embassies around the world have received eviction notices as Congress meets in a special session to discuss new limits on the President’s power.

The country is in for a turbulent few months. Let’s hope that Wing knows what he is doing.




MOST POPULAR TICKET:

Simon Wing / Charles Matchett (Socialist Labor) - 59 votes (70.2%)
James B. Weaver / James Gavin Field (Populist) - 11 votes (13.1%)
Benjamin Harrison / Whitelaw Reid (Republican) - 7 votes (8.3%)
John Bidwell / James Cranfield (Prohibition) - 4 votes (4.8%)
Grover Cleveland / Adlai Stevenson(Democratic) - 3 votes (3.6%)
TOTAL: 84 votes

QuoProQuid
Jan 12, 2012

Tr*ckin' and F*ckin' all the way to tha
T O P

ELECTION OF 1892

:siren: Click here to vote in the Election of 1896! :siren:




Background:

Grover Cleveland returned to the White House amid disaster. Shortly before his inauguration, the Treasury’s supply of gold went into a precipitous decline and the economy began to sputter. Fearing the worst, the Treasury urged the President to repeal the Sherman Silver Act, which allowed for the government to exchange silver for paper currency. Though Cleveland convinced Congress to repeal the bill, the economy failed to improve. The repeal sparked public fears, causing bank runs across the country and a steep drop in credit. Unemployment soared from 4 per cent to 28 percent nationally, with places like Michigan suffering 43 per cent unemployment. 500 banks closed. 15,000 businesses failed. Detroit was forced to open community potato farms to prevent mass starvation.

Despite growing labor discontent and unfavorable press coverage, Cleveland refused to intervene. He did not believe that government should interfere in the economy and opposed all proposals to alleviate unemployment through public works projects. In 1894, matters finally came to a head through the Pullman Car workers’ strike.Led by Eugene V. Debs, workers shut down most of the country’s railroad traffic west of Detroit to protest lowered wages, layoffs, and Pullman’s company town. Despite an explicit demand from the Governor of Illinois to not intervene, Cleveland deployed 12,000 U.S. Army troops and thousands of U.S. Marshals to quash the protests. The intervention incensed urban workers against Cleveland.

The repeal of the Sherman Silver Purchase Act and the strong federal response against workers caused a massive backlash against the Democrats. In 1894. In Missouri, one Democrat described the election as, “the greatest slaughter of innocents since Herod.” The election also exacerbated tensions within the Democratic Party, dividing it into pro-silver and pro-gold factions.

From this panic emerged William Jennings Bryan. One month after the Republicans nominated their candidate, William McKinley, the Democrats met in Chicago for their convention. The event revealed just how unpopular Cleveland and his pro-gold stance had become, with speaker after speaker repudiating the sitting president and his policies. After several days of speeches, William Jennings Bryan, a little-known politician from Nebraska, addressed the crowd. A superb orator, Bryan delivered a passionate defense of farmers and factory workers. He attacked the moneyed elites, like Cleveland, who benefited from the gold standard. He then concluded his speech with a plea that "you shall not crucify mankind upon a cross of gold." The speech was an instant sensation, single-handedly carrying Bryan to the nomination.

The Republicans had assumed an easy victory in November, but Bryan sparked nationwide excitement, earned the endorsement of the Populists, and began a whistlestop tour of the country. Panicked manufacturers, terrified by Bryan’s proposals, raised a staggering $4 million compared to Bryan’s $500,000.

Despite the overall enthusiasm of his campaign, Bryan has an uphill battle for the presidency. The press has been flooded with Republican money. Catholics dislike Bryan’s deeply Protestant rhetoric and few African Americans are willing to support a Democrat. Meanwhile, a variety of minor parties, also promising reform, threaten to sap Bryan’s support in crucial states. Though the Great Commoner seems unlikely to win this election, his candidacy seems to promise a massive realignment of the political party system.

REPUBLICAN PARTY NOMINEES:


Presidential Nominee: William McKinley
  • Party Affiliation: Republican Party
  • Home State: Ohio
  • Notable Positions: Governor of Ohio, Chairman of the United States House Ways and Means Committee, United States Representative from Ohio, Brevet Major in the Union Army
  • Biography: William McKinley was born to a well-known entrepreneur and manufacturer in Niles, Ohio. Like many families in the Western Reserve, McKinley’s household was heavily influenced by New England values, including a strong adherence to religion, abolitionism, and Whiggish sentiments. Though William has once planned to become a Methodist preacher, poor fortune and the Civil War forced him to change his career path. Following the south’s secession, McKinley enlisted. By chance, he joined the staff of then-Colonel Rutherford B. Hayes, who groomed the young McKinley as a successor. With his connections, McKinley became a rising star within the Republican Party. He served in Congress for over a decade, serving as the party’s chief spokesperson on protectionism and nearly serving as Speaker of the House. After the Democratic Party gerrymandered him out of his seat, McKinley took revenge by running for governor. He won and ousted the state’s Democratic Party. Though McKinley claimed commitment to the state, McKinley began actively pursuing the party’s nomination after the country’s economic collapse in 1893. During the 1894 mid-term elections, he campaigned on behalf of various Republican candidates, earning their support and loyalty for years to come.
  • Platform: William McKinley has always been known for his love of tariffs and the campaign trail has done little to change that attitude. What has changed is McKinley’s approach to the currency issue. Though he has always considered himself as a moderate, pressure from the party has encouraged McKinley to officially endorse the gold standard while leaving the door open to an international agreement on bimetallism. McKinley has largely framed the election around these two issues, characterizing the Panic of 1893 as the result of President Cleveland’s free trade and hands-off approach to governance. If elected, McKinley has promised to actively help the economy. He has advocated for a national labor board to work with unions, equal pay for women, and international acquisitions to increase the country’s access to resources. Particularly, McKinley has advocated for the construction of a canal in Central America and the annexation of islands in the Pacific, such as the recently overthrown Kingdom of Hawaii. He has also called for restrictions on uneducated immigrants, a view that many consider to be too moderate. Though nominees are not usually known for being active campaigners, McKinley has taken up an extremely strange campaign strategy known as the “Front Porch Campaign.” Instead of tours and speeches, McKinley has made himself available to the public at his house, inviting voters to visit him at home. The campaign has been a huge success, attracting immense press coverage and public interest. Railroads have subsidized visits to McKinley’s house.


Vice-Presidential Nominee: Garret Hobart
  • Party Affiliation: Republican Party
  • Home State: New Jersey
  • Notable Positions: President of the Paterson Railway Company, Member of the New Jersey Senate, Speaker of the New Jersey General Assembly, Member of the New Jersey General Assembly, Paterson, New Jersey City Counsel
  • Biography: Garret Hobart is a member of an old and well-established New Jersey family. The descendant of school teachers and pastors, Hobart was known for being a studious and devout pupil. At 16, Hobart enrolled in Rutgers College where he graduated third in his class and immediately began practicing law. As a lawyer, Hobart developed a reputation for honesty and integrity. Despite coming from a Democratic family, Hobart became well-liked by New Jersey's legal and business communities. In 1869, he married the daughter of a well-connected Republican and joined the party. In 1872, Hobart’s father-in-law helped him win a seat in the New Jersey General Assembly. Less than two years later, Hobart was elected Speaker of the Assembly He continued to achieve various positions across state government, though considers politics to be less of a career than a hobby. Hobart devotes most of his time to law and consulting. He spends most of his time advising companies on business deals, a job that has made him very wealthy. He recently became president of the paterson Railway Company, the group which owns Paterson, New Jersey’s streetcars and railroad system.
    Platform: Garret Hobart is a business Republican, selected to both assure the public that McKinley knows how to handle the private sector and to help the Republicans in the important swing state of New Jersey. As one might expect, Hobart is a major supporter of the gold standard. He believes in “an honest dollar, worth 100 cents everywhere” and worries that silver or bimetallism would debase the currency as well as America’s honor. He has been extremely vocal in the dangers presented by the Democrat’s money proposals, warning of an economic apocalypse if free silver policies are implemented. He is also a protectionist, but much more willing to compromise on the issue than his running mate. He considers tariffs to be much less important than the currency. He has made no other serious policy statements. Despite his overwhelming popularity within the party, Hobart was extremely reluctant to accept the nomination and believed he would spend four years in abject misery if elected. Many worry that he will continue pursuing his business interests if elected vice-president.


DEMOCRATIC/ PEOPLE’S PARTY NOMINEES:


Presidential Nominee: William Jennings Bryan
  • Party Affiliation: Democratic Party
  • Home State: Nebraska
  • Notable Positions: United States Representative from Nebraska
  • Biography: The Great Commoner. The Silver Knight of the West. The Boy Orator of the Platte. The Fundamentalist Pope. The one and only William Jennings Bryan. Bryan was raised in Salem, Illinois as the son of a well-respected Methodist lawyer and a well-connected Baptist mother. From an early age, religion was an important component of Bryan’s life. He attended both Baptist and Methodist services and he read the Bible on an almost daily basis. After high school, he enrolled in Illinois College, from which he graduated valedictorian, and Northwestern University, from which he gained a law degree. During his studies, he met his cousin and future wife, who also had aspirations of becoming a lawyer. The two married in 1884 and moved to Lincoln, Nebraska. Though he was little-known, Bryan sought election in the U.S. House of Representatives in 1890 and won only due to a split between the Republicans and the Prohibitionists. Despite his relative inexperience, Bryan’s extraordinary oratory made him a political sensation almost immediately. Bryan served two terms in the House before engaging in an unsuccessful bid for the Senate. He entered the 1896 Presidential primary as a well-liked but dark horse candidate. Taking advantage of panic and fear after the Panic of 1893, Bryan argued that President Cleveland’s gold standard had enriched the moneyed class at the expense of the poor. At the 1896 Democratic Convention, he delivered his “Cross of Gold” speech, which became a nationwide sensation and almost single-handedly earned him the nomination.
  • Platform: Bryan represents a radical break from the old ways of the Democratic Party and sitting President Cleveland. Instead of falling in line with the old, conservative “Bourbon Democrats,” Bryan has lambasted the moneyed class and accused them of harming the working class through their support of hard money. As articulated in his famous “Cross of Gold” speech, Bryan believes that the elite’s deflationary policies are preventing farmers and laborers from paying back their debts. He further believes that so-called compromise measures advocated by McKinley, including his pledge for an international agreement on bimetallism, are attempts to mislead the public. In its place, Bryan has advocated the country to unilaterally allow free coinage of silver at a 16 to 1 ratio. Though the Republican Party initially mocked Bryan, the Democratic nominee’s emotional appeals as well as an endorsement by the People’s Party, have hit a chord with the public and jarred the Republicans out of their complacency. Bryan has gone on a whistlestop tour to promote his the silver standard, often tying local issues and concerns to the need to move towards bimetallism. Some have noted, however, that Bryan has avoided talking about other non-silver related issues. When pressed, Bryan has expressed anger at the Supreme Court for ruling against the federal income tax and regulations against trusts. He has characterized large companies as a vehicle of the elite class whose influence must be cut down. Bryan also seems to believe that the McKinley Tariff is a tool of the wealthy and that there is little economic need for high barriers to trade. He has urged the federal government to strengthen the Interstate Commerce Commission. He characterizes these views as a symptom of his Christian devotion and believes that religion provides a solid foundation for society. Though Bryan has avoided talking about foreign affairs, he has pushed against restrictions on immigration and believes that “pauper labor” will enrich the country’s economy. Bryan opposes imperialism and, in Congress, spoke about the need for the United States to stand against the imperial powers on behalf of oppressed peoples. It is not clear what this would mean in terms of policy, but Bryan has expressed support for the anti-Spanish revolutionaries in Cuba.


Vice-Presidential Nominee: Arthur Sewall I
  • Party Affiliation: Democratic Party
  • Home State: Maine
  • Notable Positions: President of Arthur Sewall & Co., President of Bath National Bank
  • Biography: Arthur Sewall is a Democratic Party insider with little prominence outside the Democratic National Committee. Born in 1825 in Bath, Maine, Sewall was brought up to take control of his father’s shipbuilding company and undertook extensive apprenticeships within the company. After his father's death, Sewall and his brother took control of the firm. Under Arthur’s leadership, Arthur Sewall & Co. has built some 80 ships for clients across the country. During the Civil War, Sewall rejected advice to stay uninvolved and instead had his company construct technologically advanced ships for the Union. Though lauded for his achievements, Sewall realized that the days of wooden ships were ending and undertook extensive efforts to revamp his shipyards to prepare for new steel-hulled ships. Sewall’s success in this endeavor has allowed him to make large investments in other companies, most involved in transportation. Though successful and well-liked by party officials, Sewall is an unusual candidate given his complete lack of political or legal experience and age. If elected, he would be one of the oldest vice-presidents in American history.
  • Platform: Arthur Sewall was added to the Democratic ticket by Bryan to address the fears of the Democratic Party’s business faction. In 1895, after it became self-evident that the Democratic Party was shifting towards free silver, Sewall announced that he supported “free silver.” On all other issues, Sewall opposes Bryan. Where Bryan opposes tariffs, Sewall supports tariffs to both gain revenue and protect industry. Where Bryan supports improved conditions for workers, Sewall has a reputation for opposing labor reforms. Where Bryan supports immigration, Sewall has been skeptical of their value. Despite these differences, Sewall has campaigned vigorously for Bryan and contributed some of his massive fortune to help with the campaign. It is not clear what role Sewall would play in an actual Bryan presidency given the lack of consensus between them and Sewall’s inexperience.


Vice-Presidential Nominee: Thomas E. Watson
  • Party Affiliation: People’s Party
  • Home State: Georgia
  • Notable Positions: United States Representative from Georgia, Member of the Georgia House of Representatives
  • Biography: Thomas E. Watson was born on a plantation in Columbia County, Georgia. He attended a small school whiling living on his grandfather’s plantation. In 1872, he attended Mercer University but was unable to finish schooling after an economic depression hit the South and his family lost its ancestral home. Watson was forced to teach school while studying for the bar. These events exposed him to both the heights and depths of white Southern life, experiences that he was able to exploit when he finally passed the bar. As a lawyer, he gained a reputation as a fierce defender of agrarian tradition and the poor farming class. He was elected to the Georgia legislature but resigned before his term ended because of his frustration with the slow process of lawmaking. As industrialization swept across the South, Watson re-emerged as a voice for the disaffected and discontented farmers whose lives were threatened by the new economy. Watson joined the Farmers’ Alliance, a fraternal organization of white farmers, and became its spokesperson. In 1891, Watson officially broke from the Democratic Party and joined the Populists. Though reluctant, Watson ran for the U.S. House in 1892 and succeeded by drawing upon a coalition of white farmers and blacks, for whom he earned respect after he stopped a lynching. Though Watson did not attend the Populist Party Convention, he opposed the idea of a fusion tickets with the Democrats. He was unhappy to find that his name would be appearing on the ballot.
  • Platform: Arthur Watson is a Southern radical in the mold of Thomas Jefferson. He believes that traditional agrarian life has innate value and is immensely distrustful of industrialism, seeing it as a weapon of elites and outsiders. Throughout his career, Watson has tried to protect his community against northern capitalism. In Congress, he advocated for the free delivery of mail to rural communities. Though his bill did not pass, his ideas are being gradually implemented with much success. As a member of the Georgia Legislature, he opposed convict labor, describing it as slavery under another name, and supported higher taxes to support public education for blacks and whites. As a member of the Farmers’ Alliance, Watson wrote scathing attacks against the “New South” economy and the powerful corporations leading the change. He advocated for the reclamation of large corporate land grants, the abolition of national banks, an end to paper money, a progressive tax scheme, and the institution of bimetallism. He also, controversially, opposed lynching and voter suppression tactics against blacks. He considers black enfranchisement and racial inclusivity to be essential to any populist society. Though Watson has spoken very little about foreign affairs, he has expressed strong skepticism of standing armies and large navies. Watson often cites Jefferson and considers himself to be one of the last few Jeffersonians in the country.


NATIONAL DEMOCRATIC PARTY NOMINEES:


Presidential Nominee: John M. Palmer
  • Party Affiliation: National Democratic Party
  • Home State: Illinois
  • Notable Positions: United States Senator, Governor of Illinois, Military Governor of Kentucky, Major-General in the Union Army, Member of the Illinois Senate
  • Biography: John Palmer was born to farmers near Alton, Illinois. Despite an unhappy childhood of extreme poverty, Palmer was able to work his way through college and pass the Illinois bar exam. He took up a number of different jobs, including law, teaching, making utensils, and selling clocks. In 1848, he participated in the Illinois’s constitutional convention, a role that gained him attention from both the Republican and Democratic parties. He would serve in various state offices until the American Civil War. After briefly serving in Lincoln’s peace convention, a final attempt to find a political solution to the South’s grievances. When the effort failed, Palmer immediately enlisted and was placed in a command position with John Fremont and later John Pope. Palmer became close friends with both men. In 1862, he received a promotion to major-general and led Union troops throughout the Chattanooga Campaign until he came in conflict with another general. After Sherman ruled against Palmer in a dispute, Palmer resigned his command in protest and was granted the Military Governorship of Kentucky. As the state’s leader, Palmer gained a brutal reputation. He forbid his men from taking Confederate guerrillas as prisoners and ordered the execution of anyone opposed to the Union. He then tore apart the state’s slave system, freeing slaves, declaring martial law, establishing all-black enforcement squads, legitimizing slave marriages, and seizing direct control of the state’s court system. After being run out of Kentucky by angry former slaveholders, Palmer used his abolitionist reputation to become Governor of Illinois. He has flirted with presidential runs in the past, soliciting electoral votes after Horace Greeley’s death and spreading rumors in 1892. Outraged by William Jennings Bryan’s push against the gold standard, Palmer has jumped into the fray as a semi-serious protest candidate. At 79 years old, he is one of the oldest men to ever run for the presidency.
  • Platform: The National Democratic Party, or as critics call it the “Gold Democrats,” is a minor faction of the Democratic Party opposed to William Jennings Bryan. Made up on old conservative “Bourbon Democrats” and Cleveland allies, the National Democrats oppose free silver and believe that it will destroy the American economy. Palmer is especially opposed to and alarmed by the radical new ideas presented by Bryan and his allies. Palmer believes that Bryan has warped the Democratic Party, transforming it from the party of Thomas Jefferson into the party of mob rule. Palmer vows to maintain the classically liberal, conservative values of generations past and to stand against both the religious demagoguery of Bryan as well as the protectionism of McKinnley. Palmer opposes all tariffs and believes they hurt consumers. He also promises to govern with the same hands-off attitude as Cleveland. He believes that companies have gotten too powerful and would resist “every illegal trust, combination or attempt against just rights of property” if elected.” He supports the peaceful settlement of international disputes. While Palmer is not a popular candidate, his platform has been praised in the press. His decision to pick a former Confederate general has also been praised as a way to promote healing between North and South.


Vice-Presidential Nominee: Simon Bolivar Buckner
  • Party Affiliation: National Democratic Party
  • Home State: Kentucky
  • Notable Positions: Governor of Kentucky, Lieutenant General of the Confederate Army, Major General of the United States Army
  • Biography: Simon Buckner was born in 1823 on his family’s large plantation near Mundfordville, Kentucky. Pampered and prestigious, Buckner did not begin schooling until age nine and enrolled in a private school. In 1840, Buckner enrolled in the United States Military Academy. In 1844, he was commissioned as a brevet second lieutenant and was deployed to fight in the Mexican-American War two years later. There, Buckner was applauded for bravery and leadership on the field. His achievements led him to accept a teaching post at his alma mater, but he resigned in protest over the academy’s mandatory chapel attendance policy. Instead, Buckner spent most of the 1850s taking low-risk positions and helping old friends, such as then-Captain Ulysses S. Grant. In 1857, Buckner settled back in Louisville and became a member of its militia. He tried to keep the state neutral during the Civil War and encouraged the state to form a self-sufficient fighting force to deter both North and South. After the offer was rejected, however, Buckner joined the Confederacy and became a brigadier general in its ranks. He was captured by his former friend, Ulysses S. Grant, in 1862 and was briefly a prisoner of war. The Confederacy negotiated his release and he fought on in several campaigns until the war’s end. Like many prominent Confederate generals, Buckner lost much of his property after the war’s end and was placed on parole. After several years under close watch by federal officials, Buckner was elected Governor of Kentucky. As Governor, Buckner was briefly involved in the Hatfield-McCoy dispute. He was nominated for a seat in the Senate, but passed over for his preference on the gold standard. Buckner’s golden years have long-since passed. If elected, he would be the oldest vice president in American history.
  • Platform: Simon Bolivar Buckner is a fairly mainstream golden Democrat. He strongly supports the gold standard and believes that Bryan’s 16 to 1 silver proposal will destroy the national economy. Palmer opposes tariffs and excessive government interference in state affairs. As Governor of Kentucky, Buckner proposed several reforms that failed to pass. He supported tax equalization between the states, a parole system for convicts, formalized school code, and the creation of a department of justice. He also proposed an increase in taxes to better support education and protect the forests. As one might expect of a former Confederate general, he does not support equality between the races but he does oppose “lawlessness.” Buckner holds particular contempt for machine politics and spent much of his tenure as governor vetoing bills intended to enrich certain legislators. After his term ended, Buckner advocated for the taxation of churches, clubs, and schools to help strengthen the state’s finances. He has made no statements about international affairs but is considered a capable general.


PROHIBITION PARTY NOMINEES:


Presidential Nominee: Joshua Levering
  • Party Affiliation: Prohibition Party
  • Home State: Maryland
  • Notable Positions: Vice President of the American Baptist Publication Society, President of the Baltimore Young Men’s Christian Association
  • Biography: Joshua Levering was born in 1845 to a prominent Baptist family in Maryland. Raised in a wealthy, religious family, Levering attended private schools before joining his father’s business: a coffee importing business. The coffee trade made the Levering extremely wealthy and he became known in the Baltimore area for his philanthropy. For his generosity, he became vice president of the American Baptist Publication Society, a position that requires Levering to work with congregations on both side of the Mason-Dixon line. In these endeavors, he is known as an advocate and a public defender. He opposes “economic slavery” as well as inequality between the sexes. Levering joined the prohibition movement to combat these issues.
  • Platform: In the fall of 1896, the Prohibition Party faced a reckoning. For several campaign cycles, the party had been divided between activists who believed prohibition was one of many important issues (“Broad Gaugers”) and activists who believed that prohibition was the only real campaign issues (“Narrow Gaugers”). Though the party had succeeded in walking a tightrope between these two factions, the rift has finally split the temperance community apart. Levering is a member of the Narrow Gauge faction, arguing that alcohol is the root of all moral and economic vices. He believes that it is impossible to address any other reform until alcohol is suppressed. Though he has supported other reformist causes, Levering does not believe the Prohibition Party should support anything except the prohibition of alcohol.


Vice-Presidential Nominee: Hale Johnson
  • Party Affiliation: Prohibition Party
  • Home State: Illinois
  • Notable Positions: Mayor of Newton, Illinois
  • Biography: Hale Johnson was born in Montgomery County, Indiana to a local doctor. After his father enlisted in the Union Army as an assistant surgeon, the seventeen-year-old Johnson followed as a volunteer in the Indiana Infantry. After returning home, Levering became active in Republican Party politics before abandoning it for the Prohibition Party. Hale Johnson is a popular orator and activist within the prohibition community. He frequently tours the country to support the movement.
  • Platform: Hale Johnson began his political career as a Republican but abandoned the party after it refused to endorse an an amendment to the United States Constitution mandating the prohibition of alcohol. Johnson believes that alcohol is the central cause to all poverty, avarice, and hatred in the world. He believes that alcohol must be suppressed at any cost. He has refused to articulate any other policy positions. He has gone on a tour of over 30 states to raise awareness of the prohibitionist cause and will campaign until election day.


SOCIALIST LABOR PARTY NOMINEES:


Presidential Nominee: Charles Matchett
  • Party Affiliation:Socialist Labor
  • Home State: New York
  • Notable Positions: Organizer in the American Branch No. 1 of Section New York of the Socialist Labor Party of America
  • Biography: Charles Matchett is a familiar figure within socialist circles. Born in 1843 in Massachusetts, Matchett can trace his lineage back to the colonial settlers of the 1600s. Unfortunately, Matchett was not able to benefit from these ties like many politicians and spent much of his life doing grueling work. At 16, he became a sailor, travelling with both private firms and the United States Navy. He has worked as a store clerk, a carpenter, and a beer bottler. In 1890, Matchett was introduced to Karl Marx and was immediately enamored. He is an organizer and activist within the Socialist Labor Party of America.
  • Platform: Matchett is less a middle-class intellectual than a working-class revolutionary. He represents a break from the Socialist Labor Party’s bourgeois origins and intends to mobilize the working class to “throw off the shackles of capitalist slavery.” He believes that the government should take control of all means of production and distribution and should guarantee each man a job. As he did in the previous election, Matchett opposes all hierarchies and seeks to abolish the Presidency and Vice-Presidency. He further intends to replace Congress with a “worker’s council” and abolish federalism. He believes that state borders interfere with progress and that the national government must abolish all voting restrictions based on gender and race. Matchett would further introduce constitutional reforms to allow "the people the right to propose laws and vote upon all measures of importance, according to referendum.” He would also allow any recall elections for any person in the national government. On economic issues, Matchett would nationalize all forms of transportation and communication. He would also repeal all land grants and take control of all national corporations. Matchett would allow cities to seize all, “local railroads, ferries, water works, gas works, electric plants and all industries.” He supports guaranteed employment through the government and would pass safety laws to promote public health. He supports laws that would abolish child labor and would require children to attend school until age 14. Matchett also supports abolishing all forms of private ownership.


Vice-Presidential Nominee: Matthew Maguire
  • Party Affiliation:Socialist Labor
  • Home State: New Jersey
  • Notable Positions: Labor Organizer
  • Biography: Matthew Maguire was born in 1855 to Christopher and Mary Maguire of Brooklyn. Working class and Roman Catholic, Maguire endured an early life of bitter hardship. In 1872, at the age of 17, he joined the Columbia Iron Company where he endured unsafe conditions and grueling hours. He later joined the Central Labor Union and worked up the group’s ranks, becoming known as a radical and an agitator. In 1882, to protest against exploitation and show the strength of the labor community, Maguire proposed a labour festival and parade. He worked with Harriet Beecher Stowe and Henry Ward Beecher, among other reformers, to rally people to the cause. With the help of Peter J. McGuire of the American Federation of Labor, these demonstrations soon spread across the country. In 1894, Maguire’s proposal would become a national holiday: Labor Day.
  • Platform: Matthew Maguire is a radical socialist who believes that the workers must be mobilized into a laborer’s army against capitalist tyranny. To support this effort, Maguire has taken it upon himself to tour the state of New Jersey to deliver speeches to union workers and raise awareness of the Socialist Labor cause. Unfortunately, most of these speeches are unplanned and unannounced. The workers that he interrupts do not seem to know who he is or why he is bothering them. Some “find more comfort in tobacco than in [Maguire’s] fantasy.” Like his running mate, Maguire envisions a radically egalitarian society wherein the Presidency, Vice-Presidency, and Senate are abolished and the House of Representatives is replaced with a “worker’s council.” He believes the government should seize all the means of production.


NATIONAL PROHIBITION PARTY NOMINEES:


Presidential Nominee: Charles Eugene Bentley
  • Party Affiliation: National Prohibition Party
  • Home State: Nebraska
  • Notable Positions: Chairman of the Nebraska Prohibition Party, Baptist Minister
  • Biography: Charles Eugene Bentley is an obscure Prohibition Party apparatchik leading the breakaway Broad-Guagers. Born in Warners, New York to a middle-class farming couple, Bentley enjoyed a happy if uneventful childhood. As the Civil War raged, he did not enlist but instead married and moved to the Nebraska territory. There, he attained several local offices and gained local prominence as a Republican activist and Baptist preacher. After the Republican Party refused to add immediate prohibition to their party platform, he left the party and joined the Prohibition Party. There, Bentley enjoyed oversized importance and was selected to be his state’s chairman. At the party’s disastrous convention, he pushed the party to endorse a broad platform based on different populist reforms. When this push failed, Bentley established the National Prohibition Party. He hopes that by achieving greater political success than the Prohibition Party, he can bring the latter back into the fold. His hopes of achieving this goal seem rather dim.
  • Platform: Bentley is an obscure pseudo-politician whose campaign has been overshadowed by the other Prohibition Party. Broadly, however, his candidacy rests on three interlocking issues. First, Bentley supports the immediate prohibition of alcohol, which he views as a cause of moral and social decay. He blames alcohol for exacerbating poverty and disease and for destroying families. Second, Bentley supports women’s suffrage and women’s equality. He believes that women have been unfairly excluded from society and that Christian virtue demands their full participation in politics and the workplace. Lastly, Bentley supports the free coinage of silver. This inflationary policy stands in opposition to the so-called “gold standard” and would benefit poor farmers, who would be more able to pay for their debts. Like Bryan, Bentley refers to silver as the “people’s money,” in opposition to the current elite-controlled monetary system. Lastly, Bentley’s campaign seems a bit disorganized. It is unclear whether Bentley wants his party known as the National Prohibition Party. Campaign materials refer to it as the “Liberty Party” as well as the “Silver Prohibitionist” and “National Prohibition” party.


Vice-Presidential Nominee: James H. Southgate
  • Party Affiliation: National Prohibition Party
  • Home State: North Carolina
  • Notable Positions: President of the North Carolina Young Men's Christian Association
  • Biography: James Haywood Southgate is an obscure Prohibition Party spokesman who threw his lot in with Bentley’s plot to replace the mainstream Prohibition Party. Southgate was born in Norfolk, Virginia to a prestigious family that could trace its origins back to the original English settlers. He attended the University of North Carolina and became a banker. He is known as an active member of his community and holds several prestigious volunteer positions. He is the president of the Young Men’s Christian Association of North Carolina, Treasurer of the State Sunday School Association, and was a member of the Prohibition Party platform committee during its disastrous 1896 convention.
  • Platform: Southgate supports the same issues as his running mate. Like all prohibitionists, he believes that alcohol is the root of all evil in the country and must be suppressed. He also supports women’s suffrage. Lastly, Southgate considers free silver to be integral to the country’s long-term survival.

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Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

QuoProQuid posted:

Despite Wing’s clear advantages during the campaign, such as his complete lack of experience or viable party infrastructure,

:golfclap:

:ohdear:

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
McKinley can get hosed till he comes back with a better VP and a death wish

UrbicaMortis
Feb 16, 2012

Hmm, how shall I post today?

Bryan sounds quite good, so I'll vote for him. It will be interesting to actually vote for a party that stood a chance of victory instead of the Socialists again.

Fritz Coldcockin
Nov 7, 2005
SA is gonna vote Teddy Roosevelt right out of the timeline :(

lenoon
Jan 7, 2010

We didn't even need to wait for Debs. The USSA, here at last.

Harold Stassen
Jan 24, 2016
He'll be a two-termer, just not one of the two terms we were thinking of. Bull Moose in '12!

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SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

That's a nice summary of Wing's win. He's basically the worst of what early socialism has to offer, mindlessly hopeful and totally clueless.

I like the cross of gold, but William Jennings Bryan doesn't seem to have anything else going for him. Mckinley, on the other hand is a pretty spiffy guy. A national labor board sounds great, and why not get in on colonialism while there's still the opportunity? It's better than leaving Hawaii under the iron fist of Dole. Tariffs may sound bad, but they're where the bulk of government revenue comes from at this point.

Palmer may have something good going on at some point, but I don't like the guy he's palling around with, and I can't even keep track of the prohibitionists at this point.

Matchett seems a lot like Wing. A lot. So much so, that it's almost as if somebody messed up copying and pasting something.

Corek
May 11, 2013

by R. Guyovich
It's funny that both the Democrats and Prohibition party are splitting this election.

tatankatonk
Nov 4, 2011

Pitching is the art of instilling fear.
Matchett

QuoProQuid
Jan 12, 2012

Tr*ckin' and F*ckin' all the way to tha
T O P

SlothfulCobra posted:

Matchett seems a lot like Wing. A lot. So much so, that it's almost as if somebody messed up copying and pasting something.

Yikes! That's my bad. Socialist Labor had almost identical platforms in 1892 and 1896 and I got lazy while doing Marchett's write-up. Thanks for the heads-up.


Alter Ego posted:

SA is gonna vote Teddy Roosevelt right out of the timeline :(

If nothing else, Roosevelt is still a fairly influential reformer in New York. Here's two of the earliest cartoons of him that I could find.

3 March 1883



The subject of the cartoon is straight forward. In the early part of the 1880s, divorce was brought to the public's attention by a series of widely publicized reports across the country. In the public's eyes, it seemed the West was entering into a period of moral decline. The United States had the highest divorce rate on earth, with 1 in 16 marriages ending in separation. These fears were only exacerbated by news articles on outrageous divorce trials and (false) tales of degenerate women roaming the countryside to find rich, naive young men and then divorce them. That year, Ms. Laura B. Corey made international headlines when she successfully divorced her husband, a powerful industrialist, after he abandoned her in Reno. Anti-divorce groups were established, particularly in New England, demanding the state and federal government do something about divorce. Leading feminists claimed that the biggest reason for such divorces were abuse and a lack of women in the workplace.

In New York, Roosevelt proposed a bill that would allow for public flogging of wife beaters. He was inspired by an 1882 case in which a Maryland judge had sentenced a husband to "no less than forty lashes" for beating his wife. In the eyes of more progressive Republicans, this would solve the divorce crisis by discouraging violence against women. The proposal was strongly opposed by prison reformers and Quakers but Roosevelt would continue to support such measures throughout his life.

20 February 1884



Theodore Roosevelt also gained popularity for his aggressive stance to Tammany Hall. Although the organization had gained immense power over the years, a series of administrative missteps during the 1870s led its rapid decline. In 1871 fighting broke out between Irish Catholics and Protestants in what is now known as the Orange Riots. The riot showed an inability of Tammany Hall to control even their staunchest supporters, the Irish. Government officials went from ignoring Tammany to seeking its destruction. One influential leader, Congregationalist Minister Merrill Richardson, declared, that if "the higher classes will not govern, the lower classes will."

Spurred on by public outrage at the event and Tammany's collapsing base, the Republican Party went for the jugular through a series of reforms that made graft and political corruption extremely difficult. Dozens of bills were pushed through, Roosevelt being the primary author of many. By the 1880s Tammany Hall seemed to be on the verge of collapse. This cartoon credits Roosevelt for it.

A week before the cartoon was published, Roosevelt's mother and wife died.

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Yvonmukluk
Oct 10, 2012

Everything is Sinister


Yeah, Bryan seems like the best pick. An actual mainstream progressive, who'd have thought?

Wait, are the votes for Bryan going to be added together, and whichever of the two veeps win gets the nod?

Definitely leaning towards Watson as Veep, though. I don't necessarily agree with all of his stances, especially wanting to dissolve the national bank, but at least he's not 100% opposed to his boss.

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GSD
May 10, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo
No cross of gold for us!

Vote WJB

Thump!
Nov 25, 2007

Look, fat, here's the fact, Kulak!



MATCHETT!!

*socializes*

Tritanomalicious
Mar 14, 2008

A dog, A barrel... RIDICULOUS!
Eat the rich, vote Socialist

QuoProQuid
Jan 12, 2012

Tr*ckin' and F*ckin' all the way to tha
T O P

Yvonmukluk posted:

Yeah, Bryan seems like the best pick. An actual mainstream progressive, who'd have thought?

Wait, are the votes for Bryan going to be added together, and whichever of the two veeps win gets the nod?

Definitely leaning towards Watson as Veep, though. I don't necessarily agree with all of his stances, especially wanting to dissolve the national bank, but at least he's not 100% opposed to his boss.

I will combine Bryan's totals and then pick whichever VP has the highest total among all tickets. So, if Bryan gets 10 votes as a Democrat and 10 votes as a Populist but the National Prohibition ticket gets 18 votes, the winner will be William Jennings Bryan (Democratic) / Hale Johnson (National Prohibition)

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Mountaineer
Aug 29, 2008

Imagine a rod breaking on a robot face - forever
I still oppose any candidate who wants to eliminate the office of president.

Put me down as a Bryan/Watson supporter. As a former Greenback voter I'm not happy about Watson's opposition to paper currency, but otherwise I like his populist stances and that gives him the edge over Sewall.

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