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QuoProQuid
Jan 12, 2012

Tr*ckin' and F*ckin' all the way to tha
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ELECTION OF 1796

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Background:

The Election of 1796 is the first disputed election in American history, taking place after Washington’s announced retirement. This election presents both risks and opportunities for the new republic. Many question whether Washington will be able to transfer authority to a successor. They also question whether his successor will be able to navigate between growing pressure by the French and British.

Watch this space! To keep the election series on a semi-coherent schedule, I am posting the survey now and will revise the background section later today.

The Candidates:


John Adams
  • Notable Positions: Vice President of the United States, Ambassador to England, Ambassador to the Netherlands, Delegate to the Constitutional Convention, Author of the Massachusetts Constitution
  • Party Affiliation: Federalist Party
  • Biography: Adams is a brilliant lawyer but principled to a fault, demanding adherence to precise pre-established procedural and policy guidelines. As Vice President, he has taken an extremely hands-on approach to the Senate and actively debates for the Administration, despite threats that he will be censured for doing so. He otherwise plays a minor role in politics and Washington rarely consults with him on policy matters.
  • Platform: Adams believes that campaigning is a “silly and wicked game” and has refused to campaign on his own behalf. He supports Hamilton’s economic reforms, which will empower the national government at the expense of the states. He supports the Jay Treaty, which allowed American-British disputes over wartime debts, trade, and borders to be settled by arbitration. Adams is further opposed to the French Revolution and hopes to distance America from, what appears to be, a rapidly collapsing country. Adams is a strong opponent of slavery and believes in public education. He is wary of the revolutionaries in France and has tied his opponents in the Democratic-Republican Party to the anarchy there.


Thomas Jefferson
  • Notable Positions: Secretary of State, Ambassador to France, Governor of Virginia, Delegate to the Continental Congress, Author of the Declaration of Independence
  • Party Affiliation: Democratic-Republican Party
  • Biography: Brilliant. Humorless. Cosmopolitan. Slaveholder. Jefferson is a man of contradictions, at once the author of the Declaration of Independence and at the same time a defender of the plantation system. Though his revolutionary zeal and legal brilliance attracts admirers, Jefferson is known for being uncomfortable in public settings. He rarely speaks before crowds, dresses in old-fashioned clothing, and often secludes himself from other people.
  • Platform: Jefferson is heavily influenced by the Enlightenment. He is committed to ending corruption and ensuring equal rights for all white male citizens by limiting federal authority. Distrustful of British aristocracy and the merchant class, Jefferson hopes to build an “agrarian republic,” an America large enough that every citizen owns their own plantation or farm. He supports wars that will halt “the dangerous extension of the British Province of Canada and add to the Empire of liberty.” As such, he opposes the Jay Treaty. He is a fanatical support of the French Revolution.


Thomas Pickney
  • Notable Positions: Representative of South Carolina, Ambassador to Great Britain, South Carolina State Representative
  • Party Affiliation: Federalist Party
  • Biography: Pickney is among the most educated and respected leaders in post-Independence America. Despite being the son of a prominent colonial official and being educated in Great Britain, Pickney was an early adopter of the Patriot cause. During the Revolution, he served in the Continental Army alongside Horatio Gates and Lafayette. After the war, he allied himself with George Washington and received various appointments within his administration. In 1795, he arranged the Treaty of San Lorenzo, which formally defined the boundaries between Spanish and American territory and guaranteed the United States navigation rights on the Mississippi River.
  • Platform: The Treaty of San Lorenzo has made Thomas Pickney a popular figure in the American South and West for guaranteeing the region’s economic interests. On most issues, Pickney is a political moderate. He supports the Jay Treaty, but not vocally so, and opposes the French, albeit only because he does not believe America is strong enough to defend it. Hardcore Federalists support Pickney over Adams because they believe he can be controlled more easily than the politically entrenched Adams. He is a friend to Thomas Jefferson and sympathetic to his concerns about the increasingly powerful “Federalist aristocracy.” He owns slaves.


Aaron Burr
  • Notable Positions: Senator of New York, New York State Attorney General, New York State Assemblyman
  • Party Affiliation: Democratic-Republican Party
  • Biography: Second son of a Presbyterian minister, Aaron Burr is active member of the New York social scene and a Revolutionary War veteran. Though known by few people outside New York, Burr is quickly building a national reputation as a populist leader. Nonetheless, there are uncomfortable rumors about Burr’s his lack of principles and willingness to go outside the law. Burr is a known womanizer, but utterly devoted to his daughter.
  • Platform: Aaron Burr is the first candidate in the country’s history to actively campaign for the Presidency and has gained support as the candidate you want to have some whiskey with. Burr has allies in both Federalist and Democratic-Republican camps, but has lately begun siding increasingly against the “Federalist aristocrats.” He opposes slavery and believes that women are equal to men. He has made no public statements regarding the French Revolution, but has allowed French emigres to stay at his home.


Samuel Adams
  • Notable Positions: Governor of Massachusetts, Lieutenant Governor of Massachusetts, Delegate to the Continental Congress, Clerk of the Massachusetts House of Representatives
  • Party Affiliation: Democratic-Republican Party
  • Biography: Samuel Adams is one of the central figures of the American Revolution and played a key role in orchestrating the Boston Tea Party. Despite his terrible business sense, Adams is a skilled and popular politician. During the Second Continental Congress he played the role of a “parliamentary whip,” pushing the delegates toward independence. After the war, he and his cousin John Adams drafted the Massachusetts Constitution.
  • Platform: Samuel Adams believes that the future of the American Republic depends on the virtue of its citizens. Unlike other Founders, Samuel Adams is very religious and believes in a tolerant but Christian-inspired democracy. He believes in free public education for children, even for girls. Adams worries about the growing power of the national government and Hamilton’s Treasury, but opposes the use of violence to express those concerns. He opposes the Jay Treaty for not doing enough to end impressment. His close friendship with Thomas Paine makes him a supporter of the French Revolution. He privately opposes slavery.


Oliver Ellsworth
  • Notable Positions: Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States, Senator of Connecticut, Delegate to the Constitutional Convention
  • Party Affiliation: Federalist Party
  • Biography: Oliver Ellsworth is one of Washington’s last appointees and the current Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court. Though he has not yet had the opportunity to hear any cases, Ellsworth is a successful lawyer who supervised Connecticut’s war expenditures during the Revolution. He was one of the principal writers of the United States Constitution. Though a successful legislator, some Democratic-Republicans dislike Ellsworth reliance on backroom meetings and shady dealings to achieve his goals.
  • Platform: Ellsworth is a staunch Federalist and, in the words of John Adams, “the firmest pillar of the whole Administration in the Senate.” Ellsworth believes in the need for a strong central government whose powers are divided among different branches. As such, he led the Senate to pass the Judiciary Act and was the whip behind Hamilton’s economic reforms. Ellsworth supports close ties with England and convinced George Washington to send John Jay to England to avert war. He opposes a national prohibition on slavery and prefers to keep the issue devolved to the several states to avoid civil war.


George Clinton
  • Notable Positions: Governor of New York
  • Party Affiliation: Democratic-Republican Party
  • Biography: A Revolutionary War Hero and Governor of New York, Clinton is a powerful force in New York politics. Before independence, he was known for protecting the Sons of Liberty, an act which regularly earned him imprisonment by the British. During the war, he served as New York’s wartime governor and was responsible for coordinating the state’s war effort. His prior opposition to the Constitution has made Clinton a divisive figure outside the state. Hamilton has used his network of printers to spread rumors that Clinton is still opposed to the Constitution and will undo it if given power.
  • Platform: A former Anti-Federalist deeply committed to the small freehold farmers of New York’s countryside, George Clinton is known as the “yeoman politician.” He opposes Hamilton’s economic reforms, as he believes they will give the national government excessive authority over the state and individual. He is fanatically opposed to the British. Clinton would like to see the establishment of a standing army to protect existing territory and to seize British lands. He opposes slavery on a personal basis, but sees the issue as a low priority. He is inclined to support the French Revolution, but wants to see how the situation develops.


John Jay
  • Notable Positions: Governor of New York, Chief Justice of the United States, Secretary of Foreign Affairs, Ambassador to Spain, President of the Continental Congress, Author of the Federalist Papers
  • Party Affiliation: Federalist Party
  • Biography: John Jay is the leader of the wealthy Jay clan and a dominating force in New York politics. Despite initial misgivings about independence, Jay served important roles in the Continental Congress and helped build the newly independent government of his home state. He was the chief negotiator in the Treaty of Paris, which ended the Revolution with American independence.
  • Platform: John Jay supports a strong, centralized national government and is willing to encroach on the states to build an independent American economy. As Chief Justice he has consistently ruled in favor of the federal government’s authority to regulate the power of the states. He strongly opposes slavery and supports rapprochement with England. He helped Washington draft a Neutrality Proclamation in response to growing unrest in France.


James Iredell
  • Notable Positions: Associate Justice of the United States Supreme Court, Attorney General of North Carolina
  • Party Affiliation: Federalist Party
  • Biography: James Iredell is a devout Anglican with close ties to the British Isles. Despite this, Iredell was among the earliest supporters of American Independence. He is one of the republic’s most prominent essayists and wrote Principles of an American Whig, a treatise which outlines many of the same arguments that Jefferson would later use in the Declaration of Independence. He has held numerous posts within North Carolina’s government. In 1790, Washington appointed Iredell to the Supreme Court.
  • Platform: As a Supreme Court justice, Iredell abides by strict textualism. In Chishom v. Georgia (1793), Iredell was the lone dissenting justice who ruled that a one state could sue another in federal court without its consent. In Calder v. Bull (1798), he opposed Connecticut’s establishment of an e post facto law. Iredell’s opinion in this case suggests his belief in judicial review. Iredell believes in the necessity of a strong military to stop the British from “let[ting] loose Indians on our Frontier” and “exciting [the blacks] to cut our throats, and involve Men, Women, and Children in one universal massacre.” He dislikes the French, distrusts their leaders, and believes that involving America any further in French affairs will lead to the destruction of the American government.


George Washington
  • Notable Positions: President of the United States, Commander-in-Chief of the Continental Army, Delegate to the Constitutional Conventions
  • Party Affiliation: Independent
  • Biography: George Washington is the hero of the new Republic and one of the wealthiest men in the former colonies. He has publicly announced his retirement and has asked that he be allowed to live in peace at Mount Vernon.
  • Platform: Though politically unaligned, Washington is a de facto Federalist. Washington has enacted Hamilton’s financial policies, strengthening the national government. He is committed to neutrality in international affairs. Washington has publicly stated that he would not accept another term in office. Despite this, there are still some officials in the press agitating for Washington’s third term.


John Henry
  • Notable Positions: Senator of Maryland
  • Party Affiliation: Democratic-Republican Party
  • Biography: John Henry was among the first individuals elected to serve in the Continental Congress, where he distinguished himself by targeting civilians who tried to profit from the Revolutionary War. He is known for suffering sudden illnesses and has spent most of his career as the Senator of Maryland in poor health.
  • Platform: John Henry believes that a strong military is necessary to defend and expand the United States against foreign threats. Henry is also a strong advocate for former veterans. He is worried about the growing anarchy in France and feels that war with America’s former ally may soon be necessary. Otherwise, he supports the Jeffersonian ideal of an “agrarian republic” and westward expansion. John Henry owns slaves.


Samuel Johnston
  • Notable Positions: Governor of North Carolina, Senator of North Carolina, Grand Master of the Masons of North Carolina
  • Party Affiliation: Federalist Party
  • Biography: Samuel Johnston is a prominent member of North Carolina’s aristocracy and has a long history in elected office. Elected first in 1759, Johnston served four terms as part of North Carolina’s provincial congress and later went on to support the Continental Congress. Based on his long service and popularity among the delegates, Johnston was offered, but refused, to be elected the first President of the States in Congress Assembled under the Articles of Confederation. Despite this, Johnston was the primary figure involved in getting North Carolina to ratify the Constitution.
  • Platform: Samuel Johnston represents the conservative faction of the Federalist Party, favoring complete reintegration of Loyalists back into society and the institution of a strong central government that is capable of enforcing order. During the Regulator Rebellion, he sponsored an act that gave law enforcement the authority to shoot protesters on sight. Though Johnston believes that power comes from the consent of the governed, he does not believe the common man is capable of making rational choices. He also opposes the printing of paper money as he feels it will harm the credit of the new republic. Johnston believes that restoring ties with England is necessary. He owns slaves.

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Octatonic
Sep 7, 2010

I dunno about y'all, but imho, some of these guys (looking at you, Sams) kinda seem like big ol' dickheads!

QuoProQuid
Jan 12, 2012

Tr*ckin' and F*ckin' all the way to tha
T O P

Octatonic posted:

I dunno about y'all, but imho, some of these guys (looking at you, Sams) kinda seem like big ol' dickheads!

Who among us hasn't advocated for the death of our political opponents and the preservation of a kleptocratic slave-owning regime? Samuel Johnston is just your average Southern pseduo-aristocrat, acting to preserve the only way of life he has ever known.

At least he isn't some Bostonian rabble-rouser whose entire legacy depends on an bastard immigrant and a senile old general.

Abner Cadaver II
Apr 21, 2009

TONIGHT!
Remember that electors cannot cast their votes for two candidates from the same state, so Iredell/Johnston, Washington/Jefferson, Adams/Adams, and Burr/Jay/Clinton are all out if you're playing as a strict constructionist.

foobardog
Apr 19, 2007

There, now I can tell when you're posting.

-- A friend :)
Don't act all smug about the poo poo show in France, if we had supported them, perhaps the revolution would not have been perverted. We still need to support the moderates there over England. I bet the Crown had some meddling in it. We have yet to see democracy truly practiced in any country, even our own.

J. Adams saddens me that he cannot see the need to play the game and will fritter away the election to all these slaver aristocrats.

This moves Burr up to number one, and the other Adams seems appealing to me, even with me being a free thinker. Brews a good beer, too.

Burr/S. Adams '96 Duelling and beer for everyone!

Ibogaine
Aug 11, 2015

Abner Cadaver II posted:

Remember that electors cannot cast their votes for two candidates from the same state, so Iredell/Johnston, Washington/Jefferson, Adams/Adams, and Burr/Jay/Clinton are all out if you're playing as a strict constructionist.
Oh, shucks. I was all in for the combined experience of Burr/Jay and now I have to reconsider. Now I've got a Sophie's Choice situation on my hands.

Edit: Foobardog convinced me. S. Adams/Burr all the way!

Ibogaine has issued a correction as of 20:59 on Nov 29, 2015

Mycroft Holmes
Mar 26, 2010

by Azathoth
Somebody get on a coherent timeline for these elections, stat!

karmicknight
Aug 21, 2011

Ibogaine posted:

Edit: Foobardog convinced me. S. Adams/Burr all the way!

You got the right state, but not the right man.

S. Adams/Jay Unity Government - Because Nothing Can Go Wrong With Theocrats, Francophiles, and Anti-Slavers.

edit: Also known as Northern Supremacy ticket.

UrbicaMortis
Feb 16, 2012

Hmm, how shall I post today?

Electing Washington would be pretty funny in a dickish way.

foobardog
Apr 19, 2007

There, now I can tell when you're posting.

-- A friend :)
Jay is a close third for me, but gotta send the Federalists a message.

Now I'll retire to play the latest Rage Against the Loom composition on my harpsichord.

Also, I wonder when we'll actually vote for the real life winner.

A Neurotic Jew
Feb 17, 2012

by exmarx
John/Jay 1796

unwantedplatypus
Sep 6, 2012
Just a reminder that Aaron Burr had such a bitchfit over not getting the presidency that he went to the western frontier, made friends with a Spanish spy, and tried to get the west to secede from the union.

Also he shot and killed Hamilton the builder of our national economy

Ibogaine
Aug 11, 2015

unwantedplatypus posted:

Just a reminder that Aaron Burr had such a bitchfit over not getting the presidency that he went to the western frontier, made friends with a Spanish spy, and tried to get the west to secede from the union.

Also he shot and killed Hamilton the builder of our national economy

Yooge if true.

QuoProQuid
Jan 12, 2012

Tr*ckin' and F*ckin' all the way to tha
T O P

UrbicaMortis posted:

Electing Washington would be pretty funny in a dickish way.

If you want to play that game, you could elect Washington/ Samuel Adams.

One is going to die before the next election and the other's rapidly deteriorating health will render him incapable of writing.



unwantedplatypus posted:

Just a reminder that Aaron Burr had such a bitchfit over not getting the presidency that he went to the western frontier, made friends with a Spanish spy, and tried to get the west to secede from the union.

Also he shot and killed Hamilton the builder of our national economy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o51rzRr1GJY

foobardog
Apr 19, 2007

There, now I can tell when you're posting.

-- A friend :)

unwantedplatypus posted:

Just a reminder that Aaron Burr had such a bitchfit over not getting the presidency that he went to the western frontier, made friends with a Spanish spy, and tried to get the west to secede from the union.

Also he shot and killed Hamilton the builder of our national economy

I've heard no such things! Probably just rumors from Hamilton being upset his own clause keeps him from being President. It hasn't happened yet!

cams
Mar 28, 2003


foobardog posted:

I've heard no such things! Probably just rumors from Hamilton being upset his own clause keeps him from being President. It hasn't happened yet!
what an honor it would be to be the only president to personally and publicly murder a man.

foobardog
Apr 19, 2007

There, now I can tell when you're posting.

-- A friend :)

cams posted:

what an honor it would be to be the only president to personally and publicly murder a man.

You'll get your chance with Andrew Jackson, who died with the regret that he hadn't killed more people.

Lycus
Aug 5, 2008

Half the posters in this forum have been made up. This website is a goddamn ghost town.
I've been a J. Adams supporter until now, but eight years is enough. Burr/S. Adams.

oystertoadfish
Jun 17, 2003

adams/jay

i kind of want to vote for pinckney because his picture is the best. he's so hot

fantastic in plastic
Jun 15, 2007

The Socialist Workers Party's newspaper proved to be a tough sell to downtown businessmen.
Friends, for far too long our newborn Republic has suffered under the viciousness of Federalism and the self-interest of the Massachusetts/New York political axis. Many of our fellow citizens may have been duped by the screeds of the monarchist Hamilton, but men of the South like Jefferson and Pickney will stand up for the vast great majority of Americans who do not bow and pay homage to Boston and Albany.

JosefStalinator
Oct 9, 2007

Come Tbilisi if you want to live.




Grimey Drawer

Mycroft Holmes posted:

Somebody get on a coherent timeline for these elections, stat!

So does each election represent a coherent timeline? Or are we going to use snapshots of the real candidates and retcon them into a coherent narrative?

IE: Adams wins 3 elections in a row, and suddenly isn't a candidate because he "retires". Maybe he can institute a new norm, 3 term limit (that no one will match until FDR for some reason). Alternatively, if Adams loses this time, he can be the originator of the 2 term limit.

Lycus
Aug 5, 2008

Half the posters in this forum have been made up. This website is a goddamn ghost town.

JosefStalinator posted:

(that no one will match until FDR for some reason).

In our timeline, it'll be President Eugene Debs.

JosefStalinator
Oct 9, 2007

Come Tbilisi if you want to live.




Grimey Drawer

Lycus posted:

In our timeline, it'll be President Eugene Debs.

I'm genuinely curious how goons will handle William Jennings Bryan (aka our Emperor until Debs starts running).

The Lord of Hats
Aug 22, 2010

Hello, yes! Is being very good day for posting, no?
John Adams/John Jay. Federalist Party 4 Lyfe.

fantastic in plastic
Jun 15, 2007

The Socialist Workers Party's newspaper proved to be a tough sell to downtown businessmen.
In our timeline we'd probably have slavery-related crises much earlier than reality, since in two elections we've elected anti-slavery candidates from MA/NY twice and look like we're set to do it a third time.

QuoProQuid
Jan 12, 2012

Tr*ckin' and F*ckin' all the way to tha
T O P

JosefStalinator posted:

I'm genuinely curious how goons will handle William Jennings Bryan (aka our Emperor until Debs starts running).

I've got Clay, Bryan, Debs, T. Roosevelt, and FDR in my "must watch" pile. I'm also curious about how goons will react to the moral dilemma that is Lincoln in 1864 and Kennedy in 1960.

Tao Jones posted:

In our timeline we'd probably have slavery-related crises much earlier than reality, since in two elections we've elected anti-slavery candidates from MA/NY twice and look like we're set to do it a third time.

A larger Nullification Crisis gives Thomas Jefferson something to do at least.

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Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

Abner Cadaver II posted:

Remember that electors cannot cast their votes for two candidates from the same state, so Iredell/Johnston, Washington/Jefferson, Adams/Adams, and Burr/Jay/Clinton are all out if you're playing as a strict constructionist.

That’s only true if the elector is from the same state as both candidates. All the others states’ electors are free to vote for e.g. two Virginians.

Since SA Decides is just a popular vote, with no attempt to model the electoral college, I don’t know that the same‐state provision should matter.

In a real election it wouldn’t matter unless the margins were sufficiently tight, and the worst that could happen is that the vice president is someone you don’t want. Virginian electors can still vote for one Virginian, presumably the one they want to be president.

That’s not the end of the world. The vice president doesn’t have any real power unless 1) the president delegates 2) there’s a tie to be broken in the Senate (and it’s something the president wants passed, because otherwise the veto is an option), or 3) the president leaves office prematurely (via assassination, resignation, impeachment, &c.).

JosefStalinator
Oct 9, 2007

Come Tbilisi if you want to live.




Grimey Drawer

QuoProQuid posted:

I've got Clay, Bryan, Debs, T. Roosevelt, and FDR in my "must watch" pile. I'm also curious about how goons will react to the moral dilemma that is Lincoln in 1864 and Kennedy in 1960.


A larger Nullification Crisis gives Thomas Jefferson something to do at least.

Teddy vs. Debs will be a fun debate. Trust busting versus socialism!

fantastic in plastic
Jun 15, 2007

The Socialist Workers Party's newspaper proved to be a tough sell to downtown businessmen.

QuoProQuid posted:

I've got Clay, Bryan, Debs, T. Roosevelt, and FDR in my "must watch" pile. I'm also curious about how goons will react to the moral dilemma that is Lincoln in 1864 and Kennedy in 1960.


A larger Nullification Crisis gives Thomas Jefferson something to do at least.

I look forward to such famous episodes in American history as

Michigan-Ohio Act of 1803
Fugitive Slave Act of 1806
"Bleeding Iowa"
Tecumseh allies with the Confederacy

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

JosefStalinator posted:

I'm genuinely curious how goons will handle William Jennings Bryan (aka our Emperor until Debs starts running).

my only emperor is norton :colbert:

speaking of, can we please cast ballots for norton in the election of 1860?

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
Reminder of what a god‐tier politician John Adams is and why we should elect him:

"Wikipedia posted:

The first President of the Senate, John Adams, cast twenty-nine tie-breaking votes—a record none of his successors has matched. His votes protected the president's sole authority over the removal of appointees, influenced the location of the national capital, and prevented war with Great Britain. On at least one occasion he persuaded senators to vote against legislation that he opposed, and he frequently lectured the Senate on procedural and policy matters. Adams's political views and his active role in the Senate made him a natural target for critics of the Washington administration.

SpRahl
Apr 22, 2008
Adams and Adams is the true ticket, lets elect a dynasty.

Alfred P. Pseudonym
May 29, 2006

And when you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss goes 8-8

Adams/Jay for king and vice king

JosefStalinator
Oct 9, 2007

Come Tbilisi if you want to live.




Grimey Drawer

Raskolnikov38 posted:

my only emperor is norton :colbert:

speaking of, can we please cast ballots for norton in the election of 1860?

Oh, I am absolutely on board the Emperor Norton train. He doesn't die until 1880, so 5 terms should do the country good.

GlyphGryph
Jun 23, 2013

Down came the glitches and burned us in ditches and we slept after eating our dead.

Alfred P. Pseudonym posted:

Adams/Jay for king and vice king

Yes, but make sure it's the right Adams - Sam Adams is who we need to make our country truly great. Closer ties with France, developing virtous citizens, and hopefully doing something to that peculiar institution at the prodding of his VP...

Proposition Joe
Oct 8, 2010

He was a good man
As a Boston resident, I am doing my duty by voting for John Adams and Samuel Adams.

pwnyXpress
Mar 28, 2007
Really though, I'd love it if someone with a creative bent and knowledge of history could write up a general history resulting from what we do here. This is fun.

oystertoadfish
Jun 17, 2003

on the one hand, the union would've shattered the moment we didn't pick george washington

on the other, if we're the voting public then the union would've done, to some extent, whatever we wanted it to do! so we can free the slaves and end state's rights

i don't think there's a coherent narrative to be wrung out of consistently voting against history but sticking with the historical roster of candidates every time, but maybe someone else will find it fun to try

Corsair Pool Boy
Dec 17, 2004
College Slice

The Lord of Hats posted:

John Adams/John Jay. Federalist Party 4 Lyfe.

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RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire
Although I kind of get it the idea of giving the VP to the runner up is so ridiculous I'm amazed it lasted as long as it did.

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