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ELECTION OF 1796 Click here to vote in the Election of 1796! Background: The Election of 1796 is the first disputed election in American history, taking place after Washington’s announced retirement. This election presents both risks and opportunities for the new republic. Many question whether Washington will be able to transfer authority to a successor. They also question whether his successor will be able to navigate between growing pressure by the French and British. Watch this space! To keep the election series on a semi-coherent schedule, I am posting the survey now and will revise the background section later today. The Candidates: John Adams
Thomas Jefferson
Thomas Pickney
Aaron Burr
Samuel Adams
Oliver Ellsworth
George Clinton
John Jay
James Iredell
George Washington
John Henry
Samuel Johnston
QuoProQuid has issued a correction as of 16:33 on Nov 29, 2015 |
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I dunno about y'all, but imho, some of these guys (looking at you, Sams) kinda seem like big ol' dickheads!
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# ? Nov 29, 2015 17:32 |
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Octatonic posted:I dunno about y'all, but imho, some of these guys (looking at you, Sams) kinda seem like big ol' dickheads! Who among us hasn't advocated for the death of our political opponents and the preservation of a kleptocratic slave-owning regime? Samuel Johnston is just your average Southern pseduo-aristocrat, acting to preserve the only way of life he has ever known. At least he isn't some Bostonian rabble-rouser whose entire legacy depends on an bastard immigrant and a senile old general.
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# ? Nov 29, 2015 18:14 |
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Remember that electors cannot cast their votes for two candidates from the same state, so Iredell/Johnston, Washington/Jefferson, Adams/Adams, and Burr/Jay/Clinton are all out if you're playing as a strict constructionist.
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# ? Nov 29, 2015 18:28 |
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Don't act all smug about the poo poo show in France, if we had supported them, perhaps the revolution would not have been perverted. We still need to support the moderates there over England. I bet the Crown had some meddling in it. We have yet to see democracy truly practiced in any country, even our own. J. Adams saddens me that he cannot see the need to play the game and will fritter away the election to all these slaver aristocrats. This moves Burr up to number one, and the other Adams seems appealing to me, even with me being a free thinker. Brews a good beer, too. Burr/S. Adams '96 Duelling and beer for everyone!
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# ? Nov 29, 2015 19:55 |
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Abner Cadaver II posted:Remember that electors cannot cast their votes for two candidates from the same state, so Iredell/Johnston, Washington/Jefferson, Adams/Adams, and Burr/Jay/Clinton are all out if you're playing as a strict constructionist. Edit: Foobardog convinced me. S. Adams/Burr all the way! Ibogaine has issued a correction as of 20:59 on Nov 29, 2015 |
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Somebody get on a coherent timeline for these elections, stat!
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# ? Nov 29, 2015 20:59 |
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Ibogaine posted:Edit: Foobardog convinced me. S. Adams/Burr all the way! You got the right state, but not the right man. S. Adams/Jay Unity Government - Because Nothing Can Go Wrong With Theocrats, Francophiles, and Anti-Slavers. edit: Also known as Northern Supremacy ticket.
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# ? Nov 29, 2015 21:14 |
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Electing Washington would be pretty funny in a dickish way.
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# ? Nov 29, 2015 21:23 |
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Jay is a close third for me, but gotta send the Federalists a message. Now I'll retire to play the latest Rage Against the Loom composition on my harpsichord. Also, I wonder when we'll actually vote for the real life winner.
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# ? Nov 29, 2015 21:28 |
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John/Jay 1796
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# ? Nov 29, 2015 21:29 |
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Just a reminder that Aaron Burr had such a bitchfit over not getting the presidency that he went to the western frontier, made friends with a Spanish spy, and tried to get the west to secede from the union. Also he shot and killed Hamilton the builder of our national economy
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# ? Nov 29, 2015 21:38 |
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unwantedplatypus posted:Just a reminder that Aaron Burr had such a bitchfit over not getting the presidency that he went to the western frontier, made friends with a Spanish spy, and tried to get the west to secede from the union. Yooge if true.
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# ? Nov 29, 2015 21:47 |
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UrbicaMortis posted:Electing Washington would be pretty funny in a dickish way. If you want to play that game, you could elect Washington/ Samuel Adams. One is going to die before the next election and the other's rapidly deteriorating health will render him incapable of writing. unwantedplatypus posted:Just a reminder that Aaron Burr had such a bitchfit over not getting the presidency that he went to the western frontier, made friends with a Spanish spy, and tried to get the west to secede from the union. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o51rzRr1GJY
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# ? Nov 29, 2015 21:59 |
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unwantedplatypus posted:Just a reminder that Aaron Burr had such a bitchfit over not getting the presidency that he went to the western frontier, made friends with a Spanish spy, and tried to get the west to secede from the union. I've heard no such things! Probably just rumors from Hamilton being upset his own clause keeps him from being President. It hasn't happened yet!
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# ? Nov 29, 2015 22:05 |
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foobardog posted:I've heard no such things! Probably just rumors from Hamilton being upset his own clause keeps him from being President. It hasn't happened yet!
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# ? Nov 29, 2015 22:58 |
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cams posted:what an honor it would be to be the only president to personally and publicly murder a man. You'll get your chance with Andrew Jackson, who died with the regret that he hadn't killed more people.
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# ? Nov 29, 2015 23:01 |
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I've been a J. Adams supporter until now, but eight years is enough. Burr/S. Adams.
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# ? Nov 29, 2015 23:40 |
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adams/jay i kind of want to vote for pinckney because his picture is the best. he's so hot
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# ? Nov 29, 2015 23:58 |
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Friends, for far too long our newborn Republic has suffered under the viciousness of Federalism and the self-interest of the Massachusetts/New York political axis. Many of our fellow citizens may have been duped by the screeds of the monarchist Hamilton, but men of the South like Jefferson and Pickney will stand up for the vast great majority of Americans who do not bow and pay homage to Boston and Albany.
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# ? Nov 30, 2015 01:14 |
Mycroft Holmes posted:Somebody get on a coherent timeline for these elections, stat! So does each election represent a coherent timeline? Or are we going to use snapshots of the real candidates and retcon them into a coherent narrative? IE: Adams wins 3 elections in a row, and suddenly isn't a candidate because he "retires". Maybe he can institute a new norm, 3 term limit (that no one will match until FDR for some reason). Alternatively, if Adams loses this time, he can be the originator of the 2 term limit.
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# ? Nov 30, 2015 01:40 |
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JosefStalinator posted:(that no one will match until FDR for some reason). In our timeline, it'll be President Eugene Debs.
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Lycus posted:In our timeline, it'll be President Eugene Debs. I'm genuinely curious how goons will handle William Jennings Bryan (aka our Emperor until Debs starts running).
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# ? Nov 30, 2015 02:02 |
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John Adams/John Jay. Federalist Party 4 Lyfe.
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# ? Nov 30, 2015 02:05 |
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In our timeline we'd probably have slavery-related crises much earlier than reality, since in two elections we've elected anti-slavery candidates from MA/NY twice and look like we're set to do it a third time.
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JosefStalinator posted:I'm genuinely curious how goons will handle William Jennings Bryan (aka our Emperor until Debs starts running). I've got Clay, Bryan, Debs, T. Roosevelt, and FDR in my "must watch" pile. I'm also curious about how goons will react to the moral dilemma that is Lincoln in 1864 and Kennedy in 1960. Tao Jones posted:In our timeline we'd probably have slavery-related crises much earlier than reality, since in two elections we've elected anti-slavery candidates from MA/NY twice and look like we're set to do it a third time. A larger Nullification Crisis gives Thomas Jefferson something to do at least. QuoProQuid has issued a correction as of 02:12 on Nov 30, 2015 |
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Abner Cadaver II posted:Remember that electors cannot cast their votes for two candidates from the same state, so Iredell/Johnston, Washington/Jefferson, Adams/Adams, and Burr/Jay/Clinton are all out if you're playing as a strict constructionist. That’s only true if the elector is from the same state as both candidates. All the others states’ electors are free to vote for e.g. two Virginians. Since SA Decides is just a popular vote, with no attempt to model the electoral college, I don’t know that the same‐state provision should matter. In a real election it wouldn’t matter unless the margins were sufficiently tight, and the worst that could happen is that the vice president is someone you don’t want. Virginian electors can still vote for one Virginian, presumably the one they want to be president. That’s not the end of the world. The vice president doesn’t have any real power unless 1) the president delegates 2) there’s a tie to be broken in the Senate (and it’s something the president wants passed, because otherwise the veto is an option), or 3) the president leaves office prematurely (via assassination, resignation, impeachment, &c.).
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QuoProQuid posted:I've got Clay, Bryan, Debs, T. Roosevelt, and FDR in my "must watch" pile. I'm also curious about how goons will react to the moral dilemma that is Lincoln in 1864 and Kennedy in 1960. Teddy vs. Debs will be a fun debate. Trust busting versus socialism!
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QuoProQuid posted:I've got Clay, Bryan, Debs, T. Roosevelt, and FDR in my "must watch" pile. I'm also curious about how goons will react to the moral dilemma that is Lincoln in 1864 and Kennedy in 1960. I look forward to such famous episodes in American history as Michigan-Ohio Act of 1803 Fugitive Slave Act of 1806 "Bleeding Iowa" Tecumseh allies with the Confederacy
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JosefStalinator posted:I'm genuinely curious how goons will handle William Jennings Bryan (aka our Emperor until Debs starts running). my only emperor is norton speaking of, can we please cast ballots for norton in the election of 1860?
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# ? Nov 30, 2015 02:24 |
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Reminder of what a god‐tier politician John Adams is and why we should elect him:"Wikipedia posted:The first President of the Senate, John Adams, cast twenty-nine tie-breaking votes—a record none of his successors has matched. His votes protected the president's sole authority over the removal of appointees, influenced the location of the national capital, and prevented war with Great Britain. On at least one occasion he persuaded senators to vote against legislation that he opposed, and he frequently lectured the Senate on procedural and policy matters. Adams's political views and his active role in the Senate made him a natural target for critics of the Washington administration.
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# ? Nov 30, 2015 02:36 |
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Adams and Adams is the true ticket, lets elect a dynasty.
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# ? Nov 30, 2015 03:16 |
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Adams/Jay for king and vice king
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# ? Nov 30, 2015 03:30 |
Raskolnikov38 posted:my only emperor is norton Oh, I am absolutely on board the Emperor Norton train. He doesn't die until 1880, so 5 terms should do the country good.
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# ? Nov 30, 2015 04:47 |
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Alfred P. Pseudonym posted:Adams/Jay for king and vice king Yes, but make sure it's the right Adams - Sam Adams is who we need to make our country truly great. Closer ties with France, developing virtous citizens, and hopefully doing something to that peculiar institution at the prodding of his VP...
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# ? Nov 30, 2015 04:56 |
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As a Boston resident, I am doing my duty by voting for John Adams and Samuel Adams.
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# ? Nov 30, 2015 05:05 |
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Really though, I'd love it if someone with a creative bent and knowledge of history could write up a general history resulting from what we do here. This is fun.
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# ? Nov 30, 2015 05:12 |
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on the one hand, the union would've shattered the moment we didn't pick george washington on the other, if we're the voting public then the union would've done, to some extent, whatever we wanted it to do! so we can free the slaves and end state's rights i don't think there's a coherent narrative to be wrung out of consistently voting against history but sticking with the historical roster of candidates every time, but maybe someone else will find it fun to try
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# ? Nov 30, 2015 05:29 |
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The Lord of Hats posted:John Adams/John Jay. Federalist Party 4 Lyfe.
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# ? Nov 30, 2015 06:41 |
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Although I kind of get it the idea of giving the VP to the runner up is so ridiculous I'm amazed it lasted as long as it did.
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