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Constant Hamprince posted:George III - King of Great Britain, Ireland and Hanover: A devoted family man who has dedicated his life to security and wellbeing of his country and to carrying out the will of the democratically elected parliament in the face of treasonous aristocrats who think they're too good to pay taxes. He is also staunchly in favour of upholding the nation's commitment to Native Americans. Oh, so the second one. Washington/Jay for the win. Strong central democracy, no room for mediocrity. I appreciate Jay's economic interests more than Adams's, even with the slavery issue. This should be a really cool thread, QuoProQuid.
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oystertoadfish posted:the founders were dumb shits who hated everything we pretend they loved I think that particularly among leftists there is an exaggeration of how little important actors in the revolutionary era actually cared about political ideals or good government. I've seen a lot of posts here (not this thread) implying that joining the Revolution was something rich people did to make mad ca$h and poor people really did not care. This is grossly exaggerated, just as a lot of traditional history grossly exaggerates patriotism and ideals among the populace. Many elites, including slave owners, did have some commitment to these ideals and despite the fact that many of them had disdain/panic over the ~masses~ (not unlike many posters' concerns about stupid flyover country Republicans), many also hoped that after some time people would be ready. I don't agree overall, but the idea that people need to be "prepared" for democracy and that mass voting that doesn't lead to an unstable government can only take place under certain conditions is not exactly something that has died. Basically it's like people read dumb textbooks in high school, then discover Zinn and are like "whoa!", and then don't delve into primary documents because no one has time for that. that's my story, you people are going to get that middle class monarchy lover Adams elected!
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Nov 19, 2015 21:27
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foobardog posted:Draft Thomas Paine! I want a Paine/Adams team up so they can fight all day.
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Nov 19, 2015 21:31
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I can't believe you all are turning to the Democratic-Republicans. Burr isn't going to do anything about slavery. Got to go with some people with proven, solid (if boring) ability to not be power mad. Washington/Adams.
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