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Wilko
Dec 3, 2013

:toot:

Dr Cheeto posted:

God forbid someone visit two websites to get mods.

Was this around the time Lastbullet had that hosting problem and lost pretty much everything?

Yeah, like a month or two after I launched the BLT

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maswastaken
Nov 12, 2011

Wilko posted:

One of their suggestions was having modded players and unmodded players being separated into two player pools with no cross-over.

Wilko posted:

I set up the BLT and PaydayMods site as it own thing instead and "split the community"

quote:

One of their suggestions was having [...] players separated

quote:

I [...] "split the community"

What.

Dr Cheeto
Mar 2, 2013
Wretched Harp

Just be thankful it isn't as bad as the Minecraft modding community.

isndl
May 2, 2012
I WON A CONTEST IN TG AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS CUSTOM TITLE

It's OK to split the community as long as it means you get to control it, don't you know?

Dark_Swordmaster
Oct 31, 2011
Why isn't there a single mod community that isn't total garbage?

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

Dark_Swordmaster posted:

Why isn't there a single mod community that isn't total garbage?
People want ownership of their hobbies, especially something that takes as much time as making a mod. However, you can't own a mod because it's a modification of someone else's work. So people reconcile this by creating bizarre rules to maintain control over their mods and weird communities in which they can try to be recognized for their creations.

GotLag
Jul 17, 2005

食べちゃダメだよ
The Space Engineers scene is okay.

Although some drama queen did go Galt when Steam Workshop support was first added, over the standard Workshop EULA. His mods were rapidly replicated and nobody gives a gently caress any more.

Edit: if Workshop support hadn't been added though I think it would probably have ended up a total shitfest like Minecraft.

GotLag fucked around with this message at 02:50 on Nov 21, 2015

Dark_Swordmaster
Oct 31, 2011
Is there a .txt or likewise I can peruse for this Minecraft stuff? I need something to read while I drink tonight and go into a deep dark hole.

Prokhor Zakharov
Dec 31, 2008

This is me as I make another great post


Good luck with your depression!

Psion posted:

Chains has a problem where he calls far too many people Bonnie, but everyone-as-Clover is new. That's pretty awesome. Who were you playing as?

I was Sokol and my buddy was Wick cause I was hosting and Sokol.

AI was Jacket and Wolf.

Also Wilko should be president of Overkill imo

Plan Z
May 6, 2012

GotLag posted:

The Space Engineers scene is okay.

Although some drama queen did go Galt when Steam Workshop support was first added, over the standard Workshop EULA. His mods were rapidly replicated and nobody gives a gently caress any more.

Edit: if Workshop support hadn't been added though I think it would probably have ended up a total shitfest like Minecraft.

The CS Skinning community was pretty cool and chill. It was probably cool because most guys could either do models, UVs, textures, or animations without much overlap, so lots of collaborating happened. It was groovy up until CSBanana (Gamebanana now) came along. Overnight, people were stealing credit for a lot of skins, models, and animations, and posting them on CSBanana, whose owners didn't care. When the thieves were pressed by their "fans" to do more, they would just steal more from lesser-known people on smaller forums to the point where nobody really wanted to release anything to be stolen on CSBanana. What was left of the pre-banana community stayed at cdg.net and eventually died for the most part. I heard Gamebanana's been better about content theft, but gently caress if I can look at their ugly, cluttered site without hating them.

AndroidHub
Feb 28, 2007

I've seen some stuff that would really make you say "like what?"
I really wish they wouldn't go and make something like this a steam announcement, I was blissfully unaware that the community had gotten this loving horrible, I even sat through like a whole 10 minutes of that awful interview.

Wilko
Dec 3, 2013

:toot:

Plan Z posted:

The CS Skinning community was pretty cool and chill. It was probably cool because most guys could either do models, UVs, textures, or animations without much overlap, so lots of collaborating happened. It was groovy up until CSBanana (Gamebanana now) came along. Overnight, people were stealing credit for a lot of skins, models, and animations, and posting them on CSBanana, whose owners didn't care. When the thieves were pressed by their "fans" to do more, they would just steal more from lesser-known people on smaller forums to the point where nobody really wanted to release anything to be stolen on CSBanana. What was left of the pre-banana community stayed at cdg.net and eventually died for the most part. I heard Gamebanana's been better about content theft, but gently caress if I can look at their ugly, cluttered site without hating them.

Similarly, the Garry's Mod community was pretty good for a while. People were angry because their server was less popular than somebody else's, so lets steal the gamemode, add some donator P2W poo poo to it, and then DDOS the original server to try attract people to ours. Some friends and I had a server box in Sydney some years ago, and we kept getting DDOS'd non-stop, until they dumped us and told us they wouldn't host it anymore. Along the way, people started charging for mods (which isn't necessarily a bad thing), it's what came afterwards where people were stealing each others work and uploading, and selling it as their own which caused a ton of grief.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013
Probation
Can't post for 3 hours!
I think that Overkill's approach to the modern is understandable, even if it must be personally frustrating for Wilko. Their goal isn't so much to deliver a seamless modding experience as it is to avoid (or, as is now demonstrated, at least delay as long as possible) a moment where the player base, with their infinite
toxicity and entitlement, sink the game. Even if Overkill implemented Wilko's ideas and they were a perfect thing of crystalline beauty, it should be clear even from Wilko's account that the other modding leaders would find cause to argue it was the worst thing ever, and that they would use their pulpit to do so.

Put simply, there's a reason it's "community management", and not "community support" or "modding support". When a large part of your paying audience behaves like this, interacting with them as rational equals is suicide.

Dark_Swordmaster posted:

Why isn't there a single mod community that isn't total garbage?

The BLT github.

Jetamo posted:

...So basically you're not saying "we're going to remove stat boosts" you're saying "now you can get stat and xp boosts, AND they track how many cops you kill!"

...Overkill I don't even. They just keep digging themselves a hole.

They're not going to unilaterally remove objects that people have paid money for. Removing micro transactions was never a viable option.

Nemesis Of Moles
Jul 25, 2007

To clarify, what's the most bonus to a stat a skin can give you?

Karasu Tengu
Feb 16, 2011

Humble Tengu Newspaper Reporter
+4 to a lovely stat on average, and if you have a COP skin a whole +1% xp boost.

Concordat
Mar 4, 2007

Secondary Objective: Commit Fraud - Complete
100 rounds on the MG42.

Geight
Aug 7, 2010

Oh, All-Knowing One, behold me!
I hope we get some more new heist content before the end of the year, even if it is just Payday 1 heists. I don't want to give up on Payday 2 and new heists are the most reliable way to get my friends playing it again!

Dark_Swordmaster
Oct 31, 2011
I was born to click cops and Heat Street was made for cops to get clicked. Why is this one not yet in Payday 2?

Shima Honnou
Dec 1, 2010

The Once And Future King Of Dicetroit

College Slice
Fat pipe promised me Counterfeit but so far the only counterfeits I've seen have been battle-worn skins.

The Shame Boy
Jan 27, 2014

Dead weight, just like this post.



Dark_Swordmaster posted:

I was born to click cops and Heat Street was made for cops to get clicked. Why is this one not yet in Payday 2?

I've not played Payday 1 but isn't the first part of Hox Breakout pretty much the same thing? Get your cop clicks there.

Dark_Swordmaster
Oct 31, 2011
Nope. I don't want to escort a van, I don't want to deal with roadblocks, I don't want to do that poo poo. I want to have a loving running gun battle at a fast pace.

Dr Cheeto
Mar 2, 2013
Wretched Harp

Nemesis Of Moles posted:

To clarify, what's the most bonus to a stat a skin can give you?

The +1 damage on the flamethrower is the most consequential stat boost, followed by +3 concealment on the bronco and bernetti, +1 concealment on the plainstrider and judge, then +4 accuracy on whatever.

Dallas pack skins could have a +3% payout bonus but no other boosts. COP skins could have a +1% payout bonus in addition to a normal stat boost.

Here's a Reddit post, decide for yourself

Dr Cheeto fucked around with this message at 12:53 on Nov 21, 2015

Plan Z
May 6, 2012

HOOLY BOOLY posted:

I've not played Payday 1 but isn't the first part of Hox Breakout pretty much the same thing? Get your cop clicks there.

Heat Street had a hefty challenge in that cops could really build up a thick defense. Hox Breakout's cops barely get a chance to set up before getting mowed down, which is kind of my problem with PD2 these days. Part of why I like the Lab Rats cloaker holdout is that It's a great big old clusterfuck where you're not just mowing down cops who can't shoot back. It's also why I'd like to do Green Bridge again. That mission required a lot of coordination and would be pretty great in PD2.

wolrah
May 8, 2006
what?

Dark_Swordmaster posted:

Is there a .txt or likewise I can peruse for this Minecraft stuff? I need something to read while I drink tonight and go into a deep dark hole.

Google "minecraft modpack permissions" and you should have enough to drink yourself to oblivion. I think a lot of the Technic Pack guys are goons and they've been at or near the center of a lot of the drama, so I'm sure the modded minecraft thread has a lot of good stories too.

tl;dr version is that for whatever reason some mod developers believe that only their modifications are good and others aren't acceptable, so they've pulled poo poo like having their mods disable themselves in the presence of others they don't like, interfering with other mods, or in some cases even corrupting saves when someone tries to play them the "wrong" way.

The Kerbal Space Program community has occasionally seemed like it's going that direction too (especially when a few of the drama creators from Minecraft started doing KSP mods), but I think the fact that mods posted on the official forum are required to provide source code prevented it from getting too bad. Not all mods are properly "open source" in that they could be forked if the developer(s) go off the deep end, but the source being viewable by all prevents any useful tricks from remaining hidden from the community at large, so if someone goes full retard with a mod someone else can re-implement it.

swims
May 5, 2014

Waiter, this band keeps shooting pearls at me.
For anyone that has modded the game and has all items: is toxic green/ toxic green a color item that you can get? Ive been wondering for awhile and playing this since 2013 and never seen it.

Karasu Tengu
Feb 16, 2011

Humble Tengu Newspaper Reporter
I think the only solid light green you can get is leaf green/leaf green but i'm being lazy and going from memory.

Dr Cheeto
Mar 2, 2013
Wretched Harp
There's solid dark green, solid green, and solid leaf green. Closest you can get to solid toxic green is toxic green/leaf green.

I'm not entirely sure why they decided to do color combinations this way instead of allowing the player to pick primary and secondary colors individually.

swims
May 5, 2014

Waiter, this band keeps shooting pearls at me.
Thanks

I've seen all the toxic green/ * variants then.

Wilko
Dec 3, 2013

:toot:
I updated the weapon customization files, this should let you customize the GL40 and Piglet again since they were being removed by my conversion tool for having "_gre" in their filename.

Isaacs Alter Ego
Sep 18, 2007


Is there a bug with Crime-net or something? I see 16,000 people online but searching worldwide I can find about 2-3 games for any particular difficulty, if I'm lucky.

Also, thank you Wilko, I was so alone without my all-american grenade launcher

maswastaken
Nov 12, 2011

Are you using the beta? Practically no one else is.

Geight
Aug 7, 2010

Oh, All-Knowing One, behold me!
Since nobody else has mentioned it, Hotline Miami 2 is on sale for :siren:$11.99:siren:, so if you were waiting for a sale on the game just to get Jacket now's the time to strike. Remember that you need the Digital Special Edition to get the character, so the $8.99 normal version won't cut it. I think the game is pretty good too, but most people don't.

Dr Cheeto
Mar 2, 2013
Wretched Harp
The sociopath deck is great fun, even if HLM2 isn't.

chairface
Oct 28, 2007

No matter what you believe, I don't believe in you.

Really it's going to have hit normal Payday2 DLC prices for me at least. Jacket and his piece aren't terribly compelling at $12 vs. the other DLCs regularly hitting 75% sales to make em under a buck. I understand some other vidya game is nominally included but that wouldn't be why I'd be buying it.

Geight
Aug 7, 2010

Oh, All-Knowing One, behold me!
It's possible that there could be a 50% sale during Steam Christmas, but I dunno if it's realistic to expect it any lower while Payday 2 is still a thing that we play.

spit on my clit
Jul 19, 2015

by Cyrano4747
http://www.globalpost.com/article/6691964/2015/11/21/fuel-nuclear-bomb-hands-unknown-black-marketeer-russia-says-us Guys..did we do that?

Plan Z
May 6, 2012

Geight posted:

most people don't.

weekly font
Dec 1, 2004


Everytime I try to fly I fall
Without my wings
I feel so small
Guess I need you baby...



Isaacs Alter Ego posted:

Is there a bug with Crime-net or something? I see 16,000 people online but searching worldwide I can find about 2-3 games for any particular difficulty, if I'm lucky.

Also, thank you Wilko, I was so alone without my all-american grenade launcher

My Crimenet is hosed up too. If I click on a game I just get the option to buy the heist and if I click accept I get "Failed To Join."

Anyone know how to fix this? Game worked two days ago.

weekly font fucked around with this message at 03:36 on Nov 23, 2015

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013
Probation
Can't post for 3 hours!
Goonmod Bug Report

There appears to be a bug with the Oliver mask related to materials. The bug may or may not be gonmod-related. After the mask is newly assembled, attempting to modify it will take you to the materials screen, where many materials are missing or out of order, and with the "bronze" material selected. but there may be none in inventory. Attempting to purchase bronze materials will crash the game, and add the material to your inventory (but will leave you with no new ones if you re-select Oliver).

edit: 1700 GL40 kills to go.

Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 01:04 on Nov 24, 2015

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Klaus88
Jan 23, 2011

Violence has its own economy, therefore be thoughtful and precise in your investment
Every time I axe a cop in the back I hear "Oh I'm bad at this" in a Scottish accent.

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