rudatron posted:

It doesn't help in passing legislation, but if SCOTUS can be tilted then it's worth it.

My secret hope for this election is that trump is nominated, and then loses in the general - it'll turn an interesting election into a referendum on what are American Values or whatever, and Trump's nativism will get decisively crushed. If trump is denied the nomination, and rubio loses, the racist/fascist wing will only go into overdrive.

Black Baby Goku posted:

that's multiculturalism (social mixing) and its a spectacular failure.

blowfish posted:

That only works when complaining about sharia doesn't automatically make you consider someone a repugnant bigot, hth.

The Insect Court posted:

Whenever I hear self-styled leftists suggesting this(Ali is a simplistic dupe being manipulated) I have to wonder why we don't hear the same thing about those who aren't black women. I guess it's just easier to suggest that she just isn't up to the task of thinking for herself and is being directed by white men than it is to actually admit that she has a mind of her own.

Black Baby Goku posted:

It is really cool to think your way of thinking is the moral authority on the matter.

Black Baby Goku posted:

It's not fit for western society. Let it stay in tribal third world hellholes.

Black Baby Goku posted:

that's multiculturalism (social mixing) and its a spectacular failure.

An Enormous Boner posted:

Is the cognitive dissonance getting strong enough yet? We're talking about an insane repressive God-ordained system.

DeusExMachinima posted:

Forget arbitration. How the gently caress are you going to accomplish this without straight banning any exercise of "traditional" and/or "conservative" religious beliefs of most any kind?

Tei posted:

Islamophobe is too big a word. It mean you "hate" islam or "fear" it. Anyway If somebody feel that way, and really hate islam, I don't think is a irrational thing to do.

Wales Grey posted:

Wikia? Nice 'article', mereswine. Doesn't even have a bibliography at the bottom, just a couple citations from unscholarly sources. Doesn't argue anything, just goes "look at all this gross poo poo theocracies get up to!".

If you weren't arguing in bad faith, or are English-As-Second language and your poor argumentation is due to language issues, I would reccomend using more primary/secondary sources instead of glorified blogs (or even a scholarly sort of blog at the very least). Perhaps attempt to perform some sort of synthesis tying abuses by patriarchal governments to specific readings of the Koran or specific Islamic philisophical traditions?

Flowers For Algeria posted:

Well that is absurd.
A minor trend of conservative thought in a very conservative and racist country doesn't disprove worldwide tendencies, SedanChair.

blowfish posted:

religions are bad as a propagating source of magical thinking

I hate yankees posted:

Islamaphobia stems from the fact that there is a silent majority of non-extremists. Anytime there is a terrorist attack there should be millions of Muslims marching and getting attention that this is not exceptable. Because this does not often occur the narrative that these kinds of practices (terrorism) is acceptable floats among westerners.

The argument that Muslims died in a terrorist attack is also silly because everyone knows that Sunni and Shia Muslims hate one another, and the assumption people make is that they're the "wrong" kind of Muslim according to the terrorist.

Another fear stemming from terrorism is that anyone - man, woman, or even a child - could be a terrorist. It is terrifying to think that someone could take advantage of a child in a such a way. This dehumanizes Muslims greatly because people no longer view them as "people", which is why I think there is a large backlash against the Syrian refugees.

There was also a survey done after the Charlie hebdo attacks that cited a large percentage of Muslims would not carry out a terrorist attack but sympathized and understood why the terrorist did what they did. The percentage is irrelevant because westerners see that as supporting terrorism.

There's also that whole shariah law thing, which anjem choudry doesn't help stem that very much.

Tei posted:

Thanks computers parts. This is obviously not black and white. And hating a religion enterilly based on what one part do is very flawed.

Tei posted:

Islam is a bad religion

Tei posted:

My opinions are stupid, ignorant and uneducated. I already given mine about this subject, so I will not offend the cool people in this thread more by repeating them again. Looks upthread about my opinion about what you ask. I will not repeat myself.

Tei posted:

If you say that western culture is stupid, I will not feel like you insulted me. But I will give you reasons why I think you are wrong.

Western culture is very flawed at the moment, consumism and corporativism, you are not a citizen, but a customer. Avoiding trouble more important than facing problems.
Is not without his problems.

Western culture is somewhat like my car. You can say my car is ugly, I will probably agree, or maybe not. If you insult my car, you are not insulting me.


The implications is that you have to pay attention to the poo poo that make life better for human beings and the things that make life poo poo. Stuff like womens equality.

Why women equality is cool? because smart people is cool, smart people build cool poo poo. If you have 50% of the population stuck away from laboratories and workplaces, they don't have the opportunity to shine. So you have people that can contribute to technology, science, art or culture away from doing that. By having women equality, society progress faster to cool stuff. This is cool. Women equality is cool.

The implications is that you have to look at every culture, see what make the life of people better or worst. Everything that help people is cool.

Tei posted:

Europeans where better at killing other people because we quickly learned that religion is a dead end. If you want cool poo poo, you must invest in science. Separate state and religion and put the turbo in engineering.

These american natives where killing each another when the europeand paid a visit. The europeans where better, because they had a more cooler culture that paid attention to science and engineering. Better weapons, better doctors, better ships.

Tei posted:

I have already given you a answer. But you was not happy because It involved scrolling on your browser window, maybe visiting the past page of posts.

So here the one you want. For you.

Christianism seems better than Islam.

I am not expert in religions, so maybe I will get you wrong, hope you can correct me If I make a mistake.

It seems gays are tolerated in the christian religion I think the Pope recently said something about that.

If anything, it seems the line with gays is more tolerant than with islam.

Again, correct me If I am wrong. Thanks for your post. Sorry If I make mistakes in mine.

Ddraig posted:

If we're putting forth suggestions for "religions better than Islam" I'd like to nominate Sikhs. They're a pretty chill bunch of dudes, with an excellent history of equality for women, do not view science as anathema (their creation myth is pretty much the Big Bang) and as a plus for bigots look enough like Muslims that you can kick the poo poo out of them if you have a hard time spotting Muslims.

Cat Mattress posted:

Al-Saqr posted:

It's really amazing seeing people recycle the same horseshit racial and ethic hatred over and over, it's the biggest damnation of the information and social networking age that even in 2015 people can relive 1800's anti-Chinese/irish/whatever, 1930's anti-Semitism, 1950's Racism, cold war anti-Russian, and the cycle keeps repeating. I will say this and I will keep repeating it, the current climate of hate and insanity against american citizens who's chosen faith is islam in the US has been aided and abetted by unrestrained propagation of the media and entertainment industry against arabs and muslims in general. What we're seeing today Is the natural result of decades of political propagation and agenda driven targeting of muslims by the news cycles and Hollywood, who have gotten away with things they could've never gotten away with had their targets been African American or American jews.

It's really unbelievable that a political frontrunner can spout what he's spouting in 2015 and not be immediately put away as a dangerous throwback, the fact that there's even a DEBATE is a huge political setback for the united states as a functional society.

Mandy Thompson posted:

For those who say Donnald Trump doesn't represent the modern GOP. Members of my religion have committed more attacks in the US. You don't see people banning them.

Omi-Polari posted:

People who hate Muslim immigrants will probably do so anyways, but it is made worse by their ignorance of why Muslims (from the Middle East) come to the United States and Europe. One reason is that those countries are intolerant, regressive places with few opportunities to go anywhere in life. Or they're in the midst of sectarian-religious civil war. I don't see what good comes from denying this.

Like I said, it probably won't change many minds. But I think we should at least attempt to get Islamophobes to understand what they're saying when they talk about why Muslim immigrants should "go back to where they came from." Those immigrants, in many cases, have no place to go back to. It would hopefully encourage some empathy for the refugees, because it also empathizes with the nativists' fear of Islamic terrorism, which is not entirely crazy; though it mostly is.

Omi-Polari posted:

But Saudi Arabia also incubates and exports religious extremism into war-torn countries. It's not a coincidence Saudis make up the largest single group of ISIS suicide bombers.

If the establishment parties in the Western world don't dare mention these facts, you'll get a Donald Trump or Le Pen who will and they'll do it through alarmist messages.

shrike82 posted:

That doesn't make any sense. Daesh practices sexual slavery which is endemic in many parts of the muslim world.
By your reasoning, this means that it's a "mainstream" islamic view?

The Insect Court posted:

Nonsense. The House of Saud's expansive support for its domestic religious establishment includes spending billions on proselytizing. Sending out Saudi-trained imams is part on attempt to create a religious rationale for their rule, just as the support of groups like the mutaween are.

PT6A posted:

I don't see what good it does to point out examples of non-religious shitiness. I don't think anyone's claiming that religion is the sole source of all bad things. The fact that homophobia, for example, occurs in irreligious culture and/or for non-religious regions doesn't invalidate the idea that it could also come from or be exacerbated by religious beliefs.

My Imaginary GF posted:

I think this whole thread is an overblown circlejerk.

Terroriats are muslim, why posters be trying to gussy things up with a bit of lipstick on a pig?

Obdicut posted:

Oh, so it happens to be a dominant idea but people think it's immoral and wrong. How does that work in your brain?

Mr. Gibbycrumbles posted:

Anyone seen this?

So a geography teacher asks students to copy some Islamic calligraphy as part of homework. Everyone's parents poo poo THEMSELVES and all 23 schools are shut down in Augusta County, Virginia as a security precaution.

I am not making this up.

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/18/us/virginia-school-shut-islam-homework/index.html